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Shiroc posted:I think the messiness of it is 'intentional' such as putting forward very personal art out through a studio is hard. You don't want to compromise, some of the compromises people push might make it land better but not necessarily how you want, people are going to interpret it however they want, etc. I've struggled with similar conflicts for presentations that I've done/quit. Right, I think this is the correct framing of the pitch meeting. Someone is being asked to create again and they struggle with finding the same motivation and integrity. It’s singlular buzzwords and some are obviously less serious than others. And while the matrix can be all of these things (and love as pointed out), it’s a step too far to say because it can have many interpretations it can have no interpretations. There’s nothing a political about the analyst. Or IO. Or how neo and trinity have very different in matrix appearances to others.
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Was it intended that Io was just Zion but smaller?
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Dec 29, 2021 18:00
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Cheaper than replacing all the signs, y'know?
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Dec 29, 2021 18:09
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I figured it was a play on the first machine city called 01. I think that’s only mentioned in the animatrix.
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Dec 29, 2021 18:36
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IO feels like a budget or crew size constraint. Doesn’t have all the extras of Zion in the past. But plot wise you gotta assume it’s fairly large, but hasn’t existed as long as Zion. Zion was about 100 years old, IO was less than 60.
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Dec 29, 2021 18:43
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checkplease posted:IO feels like a budget or crew size constraint. Doesn’t have all the extras of Zion in the past. But plot wise you gotta assume it’s fairly large, but hasn’t existed as long as Zion. Zion was about 100 years old, IO was less than 60. I always thought Zion was much older, with the eradication of life there being just that - with the city left intact for whoever is left for the next cycle. The small amount of people the Architect allowed to live each cycle could never build such a vast and sprawling place, and it looked ancient. I figured that either the Matrix existed for far longer than anyone thought, that Zion pre-dated the war somehow or that the machines actually helped construct it because the thought of approximately twenty people (I think that's the number the Architect says the One gets to choose to live?) building that place is unbelievable. Io looks like it was only possible through human & machine collaboration.
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Dec 29, 2021 19:07
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Yeah I am with you there. We can assume that while the machines bust in and kill each time, most of the caverns and power generation stuff are probably left intact for next zion founders each time. IO though is on the fast track with tech and will probably surpass Zion population just due to better nutrition and probably healthcare now.
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Dec 29, 2021 19:39
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I think Zion was stated to have withstood several cycles of machine raids and rebellion, which was interesting because it implied that the human 'side" was allowed as a pressure release for problematic matrix dwellers. They didn't need to find Zion because they'd "found" it six times already. Like, you get too fussy and oh look you've "escaped" to the hidden base where the robots totally can't find you. So just have your raves and whatever, the machines'll write you off as shrinkage until you become too much of an issue. When Bugs showed up coded blue like every other part of the control, it looked like Neo's "escape" was into a matrix-within-a-matrix. Neo (and other problem causers) would stop trying to escape because they already thought they'd escaped. So they could party in "Zion" and have a rave, but now they're still generating power for the machines. It seemed like a cool way to do a matrix sequel, until that wasn't at all what they were doing.
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I thought IO was supposed to be read I/O. Also I got the feeling it was bigger than Zion though I dunno if that's based on anything.
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moths posted:I think Zion was stated to have withstood several cycles of machine raids and rebellion, which was interesting because it implied that the human 'side" was allowed as a pressure release for problematic matrix dwellers. All the Matrix movies are about systems of control, and all the Matrix sequels are about systems of control beyond the basic illusion of the matrix itself. It's not at all foregrounded in Resurrections, but I think the takeaway from both the beginning of the movie and the Analyst's later dialogue is that the matrix is no longer a secret. People stay in their pods not because the truth has been occluded from them, but because it's simply too uncomfortable to do anything different and it feels like better days are just around the corner. The proposition that it's the really '90s and we don't live in an elaborate simulation is like the proposition that Epstein killed himself. No one in charge will admit otherwise, but the problems with this theory are kind of obvious to anyone who thinks about it for more than ten seconds, but what are you even supposed to do about it? So you roll out of bed and go to work each day regardless.
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Might matter for the Matrix-within-Matrix stuff that Io is the letters within Zion. Also Bugs saying she entered Morpheus's modal through a skylight is probably a play on Io's artificial sky
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The idea that the Matrix trilogy is a bestselling videogame franchise within the Matrix was another great missed opportunity. You should have a Qanon style cult aound it, with rescue efforts running into the friction of looking especially crazy since you "know" the matrix cosplayers trying to make you take e aren't on the level.
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Dec 29, 2021 21:05
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King Vidiot posted:True, it's just that some people seem really angry about it which I just find baffling. Something I had to learn the hard way over many decades: If people often seem angry to you on the Internet, it's most likely because of the way you're looking at their words, rather than any intent inherent in them. Lack of context and body language breeds misinterpretation, and people are seemingly most likely to assume the most negative possible intent at all times.
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Dec 29, 2021 21:41
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My one big knock on the movie is that it lacked any kind of distinctive visual flair or language. Other than that I think I liked it and can’t wait to see it again on HBO Max, a Warner Brothers product
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Dec 29, 2021 21:43
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ImpAtom posted:The problem with that reading is that the point isn't that they are wrong. It is that it is a shallow heartless reading of the film. Like "The Matrix is about trans rights" doesn't have to be incorrect for the shallow marketing person going "It's gotta be about, uh, trans stuff, right?" to not actually be saying anything of note or meaning because he doesn't care about Trans Rights, just "what are the marketing buzzwords for The Matrix." Being inauthentic is worse than being wrong. I would say that character thinks they believe in Trans Rights, and likely has a list of demonstrable actions to back up that theory. Like all the basic white people who put "BLM" in their Tinder profiles.
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ImpAtom posted:LGBTQ+ matters are absolutely used as a cheap marketing ploy all the loving time, as is limpwristed criticism Haha I'm not sure you thought this through. I don't think you should be using limpwristed as a negative term anymore but definitely not in the same sentence as LGBTQ Rights
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Dec 29, 2021 21:53
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Watching matrix 3. The fight on the way to the merovingian(with the upside down kung fu) was extremely good. Weird that they do the train station bit only to abandon it 5 seconds later. Jada pinkett smith sucks. The big zion fight,i mean it’s impressive but was anyone watching matrix 1 and 2 and thinking “hmmm this needs interminably long mec fights” ? Trinity’s final scene was very moving. The final smith fight was poo poo,no weight to it,horrible cgi,dogshit. Crap ending. Edit : oh and the guy who played bane had a spot on hugo weaving impersonation. Brazilianpeanutwar fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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Dec 29, 2021 22:05
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:The big zion fight,i mean it’s impressive but was anyone watching matrix 1 and 2 and thinking “hmmm this needs interminably long mec fights” ? I am always thinking that about everything, so...me. Sorry.
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precision posted:Haha I'm not sure you thought this through. I don't think you should be using limpwristed as a negative term anymore but definitely not in the same sentence as LGBTQ Rights you've got an 06 regdate, don't pretend you weren't dropping human being and retard every third post until the collective realized circa 2013 that they could pretend to be upstanding citizens without having to let go of their sociopathic internet cruelty if they switched from attacking people with bigoted language to attacking people for bigoted language. the hypocrisy doesn't work so well in a thread who's subject matter is meant to encourage introspection (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Colonel Whitey posted:My one big knock on the movie is that it lacked any kind of distinctive visual flair or language. Other than that I think I liked it and can’t wait to see it again on HBO Max, a Warner Brothers product Gotta give it credit where it’s due. It looked distinctively amateur.
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The dock fight in Revolutions doesn't do a ton for me because Mifune and Kid and Link's wife all feel pretty undercooked as characters, but the Hammer's run through the mechanical (NOBODY CAN FLY MECHANICAL) tunnel was really great, I thought. Once the Sentinels start doing the Squid Hadoken, the dock fight feels kinda pointless. Because, like. What's the point anymore. Just keep doing Squid Hadoken until everybody's dead.
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Colonel Whitey posted:My one big knock on the movie is that it lacked any kind of distinctive visual flair or language. Other than that I think I liked it and can’t wait to see it again on HBO Max, a Warner Brothers product I wonder if Lana has seen infinity train.
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MJeff posted:The dock fight in Revolutions doesn't do a ton for me because Mifune and Kid and Link's wife all feel pretty undercooked as characters, but the Hammer's run through the mechanical (NOBODY CAN FLY MECHANICAL) tunnel was really great, I thought. It was supposed to hinge on people learning about these characters in the animatrix and video game tie ins. I saw all of that and I still did not care about a single person inside Zion. I think it’s because the og movie showed one ship, one captain, and the stakes were life or death. Then we find out oh there are a bunch of ships, humans are not rare, and most of them think Morpheus is a religious zealot. Then it turns out Zion isn’t even special, neo is a calculation and nothing really matters since the matrix is a better loving world to be in anyway!
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Nuts and Gum posted:Gotta give it credit where it’s due. It looked distinctively amateur. I think it definitely has a distinct aesthetic (digital cinematography, lots of natural light, saturated colours, more close up camerawork - esp in the Matrix scenes) but it's certainly not the aesthetic of the original movie. This is one of the Wachowskis who made Speed Racer, an essentially aesthetics only film, it's not like Lana Wachowski doesn't know how to do visual composition But she's talked about how they didn't storyboard any more and barely rehearse to feel "freer" like they did on Sense8 and... Yea for better and for worse, by design it leads to a less meticulous film
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HorseLord posted:you've got an 06 regdate… 
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moths posted:It seemed like a cool way to do a matrix sequel, until that wasn't at all what they were doing. There’s a brief look at the ruins of one of the previous Zions in Matrix 2. I think a big reason people hate Matrix 3 is that - shortly before the ending of the whole dang 5-Hour Sequel Experience - Neo’s like “oh, right. Smith is a character in these movies.” Then all criticism of Zion just vanishes despite the robot gorilla battle going on for like 1,000 years.
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Nuts and Gum posted:Gotta give it credit where it’s due. It looked distinctively amateur. I wish Bill Pope had returned
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I think a big reason people hate Matrix 3 is that... imho the third movie feels disappointing because the matrix itself feels underplayed by the end. One of the impactful ideas from the first matrix is the sense of scale: "holy poo poo the entire planet is fake! every single person you see on earth is simulated!" Hundreds of millions of lives are at stake. But by the end of the third one, the matrix feels small... you never see any people beyond the main cast. The final scene takes place in a park that's completely empty except for the oracle, the architect, and the girl from the subway platform. I think it's implied that smith has infected the entire matrix by that point, but if that's the case, that's quite the event to gloss over lol The population of the matrix is actually enormously larger than the population of zion, and so what happens in the matrix should "matter" more than what happens to zion - but the movie shifts all of its attention to zion (which is ironic in a film literally titled "the matrix") Polo-Rican fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Dec 29, 2021 |
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I'm the guy who liked the dumb mech fight and the "okay redshirts, our lovely mechs are out of bullets, grab a box and try not to get too murdered" scene where they open the garage door and see they are, in fact, going to get turbo murdered Really should've welded a car door on those things for the mechwarriors lol RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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The way the squiddies moved like a flock of birds was really loving cool. Lol at those mechs not having any sort of protection for the pilots faces tho.
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Nuts and Gum posted:The way the squiddies moved like a flock of birds was really loving cool. Lol at those mechs not having any sort of protection for the pilots faces tho. It's also really fun how most of the time the squids are taking it super easy on the humans and only occasionally shooting their lasers
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Nuts and Gum posted:The way the squiddies moved like a flock of birds was really loving cool. Lol at those mechs not having any sort of protection for the pilots faces tho. I respect they showed the general guy all slashed up but let’s be real he should have looked like a hollowed out jam donut with that many sentinels slashing at him.
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Polo-Rican posted:I think it's implied that smith has infected the entire matrix by that point, but if that's the case, that's quite the event to gloss over lol It's hinted at a little more in the last Smith/Neo fight. The entire street as far as you can see is lined with Smith. At one point when they're flying around having a little slapfight with no sense of impact the camera is in a building and you can see there are a ton more Smiths watching from every floor in the skyscraper.
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I remember being bored during the mech fight and it was like getting tired of breasts during Showgirls all over again.
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RBA Starblade posted:It's also really fun how most of the time the squids are taking it super easy on the humans and only occasionally shooting their lasers I like to think the Machines just clicked move-attack on Zion and walked away from the controls while it played out
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It was very 'this is only happening to fill out the film and give the other characters something to do as Neo makes his way to the machine city'.
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Boxman posted:It's hinted at a little more in the last Smith/Neo fight. The entire street as far as you can see is lined with Smith. At one point when they're flying around having a little slapfight with no sense of impact the camera is in a building and you can see there are a ton more Smiths watching from every floor in the skyscraper. For all the complaints about exposition, here is a set of scenes that spends a lot of time visually showing you the total proliferation of smiths.
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This film is appallingly bad. Terrible acting, cinematography, and writing. It's a two hour long exposition dump which looks like a budget Netflix film. Am I missing something here?
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RBA Starblade posted:It's also really fun how most of the time the squids are taking it super easy on the humans and only occasionally shooting their lasers
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