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one of the chief objections in Republican Rome to enfranchising all Italians with Roman citizenship was that whoever got credit for doing it would become the Patron of the entirety of non-Roman Italy and therefore become more powerful than the entire government
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love to be the only viable method of progress in the entire world while jerking off about the idea of returning the monarchy, only good this time
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i know you all want the democrat party to be destroyed in 2022 and I'm with you too just be ready to be infuriated when they call it a rebuke of the left. which they will.
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prepare yourselves for this one, it's a doozy: https://twitter.com/Mrs_Schwarzski/status/1475865081481211910
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Dec 30, 2021 13:48
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Dolphin posted:i know you all want the democrat party to be destroyed in 2022 and I'm with you too Rebuke them right the gently caress back -- they see people not as human beings but numbers that are rightfully Theirs. They do not deserve to know peace from here on for the violence they have delivered to others. gently caress em, bully the poo poo out of them in public -- slap the coffee or clipboard out of their hands, throw any garbage you have on-hand in their direction. Don't let them even think they're welcome.
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Doctor Jeep posted:prepare yourselves for this one, it's a doozy: given that this person and everyone like her immediately forgave and even praised hillary for owning slaves in arkansas, it naturally follows that buying something to own it is an act of benevolence on the part of the buyer, because otherwise, hillary would have had to own slaves. it's not much of a leap to assume that they'd assume millionaires holding financial leverage over institutional procedure isn't so much buying power as it is an act of divine kindness as long as it's a millionaire they've been told to love, I guess, idk, liberals are bad people
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MonsieurChoc posted:I was born in January 1988. I couldn't loving tell you who was the best President of my lifetime: they were all loving monsters who should be sent to The Hague. I was born in July 1974, which is why I say that, if you take only the portion of his presidency I was alive for, Nixon was the best president of my lifetime.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Financial markets were doing fine with Trump as president, until they hit the wall with Covid. A lot of what Trump accomplished was just proving that the President can be a crazy shithead, and it still won't change anything. They don’t do as well when Imperialism becomes more overt as it tends to close doors to finance. Also on the matter of America turning into a one party state. Attempting one party states in nations with a tradition of regular voting (even if one considers that since the late 50s the options have been intentionally limited at the state level) is much more difficult then say in nations where there is a tradition of overt authoritarianism by bourgeois or even aristocratic interests. It is easy for Bolsonaro to advocate dictatorship because plenty of Brazilians actually lived in such a state. India BJP can be authoritarian as many remember Indira, Turkey? Erdogan can criminalise the opposition do to that being a tradition in the last 100 years. In the USA the idea of being able to vote if the guys in charge are being poo poo is sacrosanct for most Americans. Yeah they might not consider that perhaps the parties should represent the actual interests of the people. But going full on Authoritarian would be out of the question. Is it possible for GOP dominance? Yes. But unless they deliver in a way that keeps a large minority (45%) happy at least that is unlikely to happen. If they tried to bring back Fordism which also favored those currently with property and used traditional trucks of disenfranchisement while backing expanded cTC, maybe also give out a extended tax credit to make getting mortgages easier I could see that. But no that’s not how they or their paymasters think. Carlson and Bannon don’t call the shots. It’s an oligarchy of rich jackoffs like the founder of Menards, The Koch network, various oil lobby owners, and other manufacturing owners who see workers as cogs who can be easily replaced despite all the data showing that’s no longer the case. They see quarterly profits declining and expect handouts and if necessary wars to expand possible areas of profits. As well as to assuage their spiritual egos where they see Iran as an enemy to Israel. GOP likely gets four years of dominance before new parties come to the scene. The goal is of course to ensue one of those parties is a ml influenced party and if were truly looking at a system collapse. It’s ready to seize power entirely. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 14:43 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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If we're just going to keep putting relatives of rulers in charge, why not just go with monarchy?
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ikanreed posted:If we're just going to keep putting relatives of rulers in charge, why not just go with monarchy? Been saying this
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being elected should barr your immediate and extended family or people you’ve been in orgies with from also running for the same position.
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vyelkin posted:the democrats are a conservative party. they like the status quo and so their platform is that they will preserve the status quo. certain groups of democratic party voters and supporters, those for whom the status quo is working, like this as a platform and a party identity, and so they vote and donate. occasionally somebody comes along and tries to rally the party around a progressive message that the status quo is actually not fine, but the problem with that is that the most influential blocs within the democratic party think the status quo actually is fine and so they don't want it to change.
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Running for office should be illegal, they should just make it like jury duty. One random week you get to be a Senator
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shyduck posted:Running for office should be illegal, they should just make it like jury duty. One random week you get to be a Senator anyone running for office either severely misunderstands what they’re signing up for OR know exactly what they’re signing up for. both of these are grounds for disqualification.
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I've seen the question pop up time and again that's basically "why don't smart people like scientists and stuff run for office?" Well,
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shyduck posted:Running for office should be illegal, they should just make it like jury duty. One random week you get to be a Senator This is how renaissance Florence did it
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shyduck posted:Running for office should be illegal, they should just make it like jury duty. One random week you get to be a Senator Do it like the Venetian Republic: quote:New regulations for the elections of the doge were introduced in 1268, and, with some modifications, these remained in force until the end of the republic. Their object was to minimize as far as possible the influence of the individual families, and this was effected by a very complex machinery. Thirty members of the great council, chosen by lot, were reduced, again by lot, to nine; the nine chose forty and the forty were reduced by lot to twelve, who chose twenty-five. The twenty-five were reduced by lot to nine and the nine elected forty-five. Then the forty-five were reduced by lot to eleven, and the eleven chose the forty-one, who actually elected the doge.
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vyelkin posted:Do it like the Venetian Republic: wow. much democratic. very vote.
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I think you're narrowly focused on the idea that one party Republican rule is necessarily the result of some kind of authoritarian measure, and not that Democrats become so useless and reviled the party itself implodes.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/MarketWatch/status/1476234293525553158?s=20 "she's articulate"
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Lord of Pie posted:"she's articulate" it's not racist, he meant that she's articulate for a Black woman
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Crowsbeak posted:They don’t do as well when Imperialism becomes more overt as it tends to close doors to finance. Also on the matter of America turning into a one party state. Attempting one party states in nations with a tradition of regular voting (even if one considers that since the late 50s the options have been intentionally limited at the state level) is much more difficult then say in nations where there is a tradition of overt authoritarianism by bourgeois or even aristocratic interests. It is easy for Bolsonaro to advocate dictatorship because plenty of Brazilians actually lived in such a state. India BJP can be authoritarian as many remember Indira, Turkey? Erdogan can criminalise the opposition do to that being a tradition in the last 100 years. In the USA the idea of being able to vote if the guys in charge are being poo poo is sacrosanct for most Americans. they don’t call them red states for their sterling commitment to democracy
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think you're narrowly focused on the idea that one party Republican rule is necessarily the result of some kind of authoritarian measure, and not that Democrats become so useless and reviled the party itself implodes.
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I think it all depends on how much interference the stragglers left in the Dems try to run against any nascent parties trying to fill the void. E.g. suing to keep parties off ballots, for example.
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I think a lot of Democrats in a sinking ship will just jump over to be Republicans. Republican primaries would still be competitive. Dems with incumbency advantage could still run as Independent. It's impossible to prefigure political developments after the collapse of the Democrats, because anything could fill the void. But any alternative has to be constructed over the course of years - and that means one party GOP rule for a while.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:and that means one party GOP rule for a while. Would that be materially different from how things have been for the past 40, 50 yrs tho?
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I've lived my whole life in Red states, with Louisiana being the closest thing to a Democratic stronghold. So for me nothing would change.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I've lived my whole life in Red states, with Louisiana being the closest thing to a Democratic stronghold. So for me nothing would change. Actual metropolises in the south do tend to skew quite blue, New Orleans went something like 90% for Hillary
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Minecraft Holmes posted:Actual metropolises in the south do tend to skew quite blue, New Orleans went something like 90% for Hillary Democrats in city machines will just become Republicans and nothing will change. I can't even imagine Republican government changing anything drastically in a big city anyway. It has no real impact on the average voter's 8-5 then Applebee's lifestyle.
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I think you guys have way too much faith in the American electoral system, the Democrats won’t be allowed to collapse. At very least, they need to be kept around like those nominal big tent opposition parties in Latin American dictatorships. Even if they get crushed in 2022, the system is designed to be self correcting to a certain extent and you be told to vote blue no matter who until the actual Republic collapses on itself.
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Ardennes posted:I think you guys have way too much faith in the American electoral system, the Democrats won’t be allowed to collapse. At very least, they need to be kept around like those nominal big tent opposition parties in Latin American dictatorships. If they keep being perennial losers that floor of support will collapse. Once the money gives up on them that's it.
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Ardennes posted:I think you guys have way too much faith in the American electoral system, the Democrats won’t be allowed to collapse. At very least, they need to be kept around like those nominal big tent opposition parties in Latin American dictatorships. All I know is that I've gone into 2017 a Dem party county chair to an ardent, mao-was-too-soft-on-landlords communist by the time my tenure ended in 2019. Democrats have done nothing to address the image problem they've left festering for as long as a lot of people have been alive. They can't prop the party up without a whole lot of people noticing that, and the government is hemmoraging legitimacy as it is. Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 19:16 on Dec 30, 2021 |
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Crowsbeak posted:India BJP can be authoritarian as many remember Indira, The BJP can be authoritarian as it wants because most of the corporate press will spin doctor it into being a positive. No different than the USA during the run up to the iraq war. The difference being that since the farmer protest started people have been chasing off the employees of such news agencies with threats of violence.
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shyduck posted:Too big to fail well looks like the failure ended up too big this time around based on such a term that takes things for absolute granted, peak decadent attitude
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Democrats in city machines will just become Republicans and nothing will change. I can't even imagine Republican government changing anything drastically in a big city anyway. It has no real impact on the average voter's 8-5 then Applebee's lifestyle. Exactly, they've got plenty of room to fall, at least with the white portions of that electorate
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Student loans are the time bomb that blows up the economy. Scenario A: They are forgiven, the financial instruments based on them become worthless and trigger the crisis. Scenario B: Repayments resume. This is effectively a giant anti-stimulus as borrowers are forced to redirect money from rents to the government, triggering the crisis. If they default instead, the financial instruments they're based on lose value and trigger the crisis. Scenario C: Forgive a little bit. If only $10,000 is forgiven, then of course payments will resume, leading to Scenario B as it is immediately revealed that $10,000 wasn't nearly enough. This triggers the crisis. Scenario D: Keep payments suspended, but always with a looming deadline so as the maintain the future value of said instruments. Do this as long as you can find an excuse. Or forever. Why not.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Scenario A: They are forgiven, the financial instruments based on them become worthless and trigger the crisis. It's possible for the government to shoulder the burden of all those obligations, like they did through TARP. Not that they will do it, but it's possible.
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