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Takoluka posted:Both Avengers Infinity War and Endgame were beat in the Japanese box office by Detective Conan films releasing around the same time. The only movies that ever seem to beat Conan are literal cultural phenomenons. Didn't that Demon Slayer movie do outrageously well too?
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Dec 31, 2021 05:58
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RareAcumen posted:Simpsons did it. It’s still nuts to me that Simpsons flashback episodes got progressively later to the point where now Homer was a kid during the 90s and liked all the bands that he was too old to appreciate when they guest starred on the actual show
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Dec 31, 2021 05:58
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I almost think that the new Home Alone was written with some lovely kid and bad guys who are put in a tough sympathetic situation to get older people to talk about it, while younger people can just watch the funny kid pranks.
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Dec 31, 2021 06:11
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They probably saw that old meme about Kevin being a psychopath who sadistically tortures two men after luring them into his compound.
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Dec 31, 2021 06:13
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I was revisiting old drama and I got really sour on Sophie Curio for the way they dealt with the Joseph Anderson callout again. I think that's a good example of having a good point and a moral high ground and still being kind of an rear end in a top hat.
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Dec 31, 2021 06:41
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Here's an anime that is somehow good Seconded. Odd Taxi's great.
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Dec 31, 2021 07:26
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Solitair posted:Seconded. Odd Taxi's great. start the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBxX1tz1p4Y
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Dec 31, 2021 07:37
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Dias posted:I was revisiting old drama and I got really sour on Sophie Curio for the way they dealt with the Joseph Anderson callout again. I think that's a good example of having a good point and a moral high ground and still being kind of an rear end in a top hat. What happened there? I don’t pay much attention to Joseph Anderson, I don’t think he does good reviews as much as he goes through every experience he had in a game, in order
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Dec 31, 2021 07:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdTrGCZORBk
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Dec 31, 2021 09:17
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Ghostlight posted:i'm infuriated that he refers to interstella 5555 as "very obscure" but i also can't formulate any kind of argument against it. It was big in France and Belgium, if that helps. Hell, I wish there was a video series (in English) about just how ahead of the curve France was compared to the US when it comes to Anime. They were dubbing stuff way before it became a thing overseas, with the possible exception of Robotech. Obscure stuff like 5555 or Knights of the Zodiac were known to most 80s kids. They even got Power Rangers (sort of) a whole decade before the actual Power Rangers existed with the dubbing of the Bioman Sentai.
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Dec 31, 2021 10:02
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A lot of of manga showed up non-english Europe way before manga became big in America because it was just treated as comics. Both because translated media was a bit more common and because the culture wasn't locked to superhero comics because of the comics code or whatever. There are quite a lot of big or influential manga that had French or even Swedish translations back in the 80s that are only now getting fan translated into English.
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Dec 31, 2021 10:37
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I once read a single chapter from tokyo ghoul because some dude at work kept going on about how much he loved it and even got a tattoo of it Never again
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Dec 31, 2021 11:37
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Is there any good video retrospectives/breakdowns of 2000's anime-con culture? I only really got into Anime and Manga at the tail end of that phenomenon, when people started growing a collective self-awareness and a lot of the wilder and more sketchy poo poo started becoming rightfully frowned upon. Won't soon forget my first con however, pretty hard to forget someone sneaking up behind you and going full tilt with a wooden paddle before running off in a giggling fit.
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Dec 31, 2021 12:16
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SteelMentor posted:Is there any good video retrospectives/breakdowns of 2000's anime-con culture? I only really got into Anime and Manga at the tail end of that phenomenon, when people started growing a collective self-awareness and a lot of the wilder and more sketchy poo poo started becoming rightfully frowned upon. Red bard has done a few videos like this, including one on the exact thing you mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yuFmJVwtY
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Dec 31, 2021 12:34
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SteelMentor posted:Is there any good video retrospectives/breakdowns of 2000's anime-con culture? I only really got into Anime and Manga at the tail end of that phenomenon, when people started growing a collective self-awareness and a lot of the wilder and more sketchy poo poo started becoming rightfully frowned upon. Human interaction is a mistake
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Dec 31, 2021 12:36
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I've been avoiding some of the Marvel videos that've been posted recently because I couldn't remember having watched Endgame, but it turns out I had watched it, and just completely forgotten it.Nuns with Guns posted:Shadowrun predicted pandemics, aggressive pushes to further genocide indigenous people, and endless wars for corporate profits, but instead of everyone giving birth to elves and orcs we get mad about whether or not it's okay to want to kiss Hannibal Lecter. Kidding aside, shadowrun didn't predict any of that - cyberpunk did. Shadowrun is just cyberpunk but with fantasy tropes because people insist on intermixing science fiction and fantasy genres. Ash Crimson posted:SteelMentor posted:Is there any good video retrospectives/breakdowns of 2000's anime-con culture? I only really got into Anime and Manga at the tail end of that phenomenon, when people started growing a collective self-awareness and a lot of the wilder and more sketchy poo poo started becoming rightfully frowned upon. That video, along with AMV Hell 1 through 3, is a capsule of early-2000s anime convention.
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Dec 31, 2021 12:40
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:
The little enby that could
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Dec 31, 2021 12:51
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Didn't that Demon Slayer movie do outrageously well too? Because of the way 2020 was, it was actually the biggest or 2nd biggest 2020 movie wrt worldwide box office (If you don't count revenue earned with its 2021 releases in various countries it's the 2nd, if you do it's the first).
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Dec 31, 2021 13:39
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Nuns with Guns posted:e- CJ the X has posted a new video about Rick and Morty and creating things btw: This was a good video, I love the energy CJ brings. The analysis / discussion is a nice split between "Rick and Morty is irresponsible in the message it presents" and "it takes a genius level IQ etc etc" takes that are the usual ones you find. I can't remember seeing any other talks about the show that bring in the writers' creative processes. It's especially good to compare Harmon's writing philosophy about leaning away from the Deep Lore contrasted with a large part of the fanbase spinning out ever-increasingly complicated plot theories. Optimistic video about creating art and not being afraid of what weird or bad or cringe things you might make, even if that thing ends up being a giant space incest baby.
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Dec 31, 2021 15:16
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Dec 31, 2021 16:02
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Nuns with Guns posted:Shadowrun predicted pandemics, aggressive pushes to further genocide indigenous people, and endless wars for corporate profits, but instead of everyone giving birth to elves and orcs we get mad about whether or not it's okay to want to kiss Hannibal Lecter. "Don't negotiate with terrorists, your ego is a terrorist" is a great line. CJ is one of the few people who can get me to watch an hour+ video because it doesn't feel like an hour+.
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Dec 31, 2021 16:32
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edogawa rando posted:Honestly, gently caress off with that racist-rear end meme. don't worry racism has finally been solved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAgnBwcOKGw
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Dec 31, 2021 17:01
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thetoughestbean posted:What happened there? I don’t pay much attention to Joseph Anderson, I don’t think he does good reviews as much as he goes through every experience he had in a game, in order I think it had to do with his really weird conclusion that elves were the problem in The Witcher universe that he talked about in his billion hour long Witcher reviews. The criticisms directed at him were about the kind of review format he adopts. I could be mistaken however, I don't watch many f Sophie from Mars videos but I remember her taking some shots at him in her Witcher videos (which were good, by the way). I didn't think there was much drama surrounding that, though.
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Dec 31, 2021 17:14
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Jimbot posted:I think it had to do with his really weird conclusion that elves were the problem in The Witcher universe that he talked about in his billion hour long Witcher reviews. The criticisms directed at him were about the kind of review format he adopts. I could be mistaken however, I don't watch many f Sophie from Mars videos but I remember her taking some shots at him in her Witcher videos (which were good, by the way). I didn't think there was much drama surrounding that, though. Yeah, they called him out for his takes about the elves, which so far so good, and pulled this move trying to get the guy to donate to LGBTQ causes in Poland, which was a bit lovely in hindsight. Of course Joseph tried to defend himself and commented on their video, which is when I think Sophie was actually assholish: they got angry because they didn't want it to be a public argument (despite dedicating a good chunk of the video to calling Anderson out), called him out for THAT on Twitter and the dude got a lot of people pestering him on Twitter to the point he reduced his presence there significantly.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:02
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Ash Crimson posted:I once read a single chapter from tokyo ghoul because some dude at work kept going on about how much he loved it and even got a tattoo of it cool story.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:04
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Dias posted:Yeah, they called him out for his takes about the elves, which so far so good, and pulled this move trying to get the guy to donate to LGBTQ causes in Poland, which was a bit lovely in hindsight. Of course Joseph tried to defend himself and commented on their video, which is when I think Sophie was actually assholish: they got angry because they didn't want it to be a public argument (despite dedicating a good chunk of the video to calling Anderson out), called him out for THAT on Twitter and the dude got a lot of people pestering him on Twitter to the point he reduced his presence there significantly. All because JA said the elves in a video game are annoying. lol, just lmao.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:17
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:cool story. This is real life okay
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Dec 31, 2021 19:38
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I mean what was his take on the elves? Because the elves in Witcher come in three categories: regular people getting poo poo on by humans, rear end in a top hat terrorists covering up for a raging inferiority complex with extreme violence, and interdimensional genocidal fascists.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:38
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Arc Hammer posted:I mean what was his take on the elves? Because the elves in Witcher come in three categories: regular people getting poo poo on by humans, rear end in a top hat terrorists covering up for a raging inferiority complex with extreme violence, and interdimensional genocidal fascists. The latter, it was about the Scotatiel IIRC.
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Dec 31, 2021 19:43
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Dias posted:The latter, it was about the Scotatiel IIRC. So people got mad that he called out the psychotic murderers for being psychotic murderers?
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Dec 31, 2021 19:46
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the Scotatiel are sympathtic but i dont think you are supposed to root for them... strange that people would take offense at someone pointing out their flaws
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Dec 31, 2021 19:54
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Understanding their motivations isn't the same as endorsing them. Yeah I can sympathize with a marginalized group trying to get back on their feet but the Squirrels' blood for blood attitude only perpetuates atrocities and most of them are just thugs using their own hurt as a toxic motivation to torture others. It's a messy issue when your only other option is to try and live alongside your oppressors, but again, understanding and sympathy isn't a sign that their actions should be condoned.
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Dec 31, 2021 20:00
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Joseph Anderson posted:I DON'T hate the elves because of the Scoia'tael. In fact I say in the video that I understand and even agree with their response to their horrible situation. Joseph Anderson posted:This drive toward genocide is a part of that fiction. It's a part of what the elves are. Whether they could eventually change and move past that is beyond the scope of the books and games. With the information we have to go on, they have been genocidal supremacists for thousands of years. They are humans but worse. This is a part of the point of the series. Joseph Anderson posted:Also I'm not "implying" their badness is inherent to their race: I'm outright saying that. I think the elves have genocidal natures. I think that's part of the whole point of their interactions with humans. It's part of the whole point of the fiction. What would humans do if they had to face off against a race that is just like them, but far worse in almost every way? They are the personification of some of the worst tendencies we have. Joseph Anderson posted:I think you would struggle very much to name many characters who do not flaunt their elven supremacy, or are not actively doing horrible things to other races. I agree that many of them are sympathetic (I say so in the videos) but even the seemingly most friendly elf will suddenly blurt out racist ideology. Joseph Anderson posted:My conclusion is that the elves, representing the worst of us, need to be removed. And remember this is a fantasy world with planet hopping. "Removed" doesn't mean exterminated. It means them moving to their own planet with near unlimited resources so they can live in peace (also remember that its the fault of the elves that countless races have been upturned from their original homes, lost their original planets, and are in this hosed up situation to begin with). That keeping them around to co-exist is just allowing the possibility of another outbreak of racism and "some races are better than others" resurfacing. It needs to be excised. I like Joe as a critic but he probably should have just said "hey maybe I was wrong about this one"
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Dec 31, 2021 20:36
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Both parties were also discussing different depictions of the elves according to JA, one was focusing on the books and the other on the games. With the S2 of the Netflix series out and the recent discussions we had here I remembered that stuff and I can't help but feel it was very lovely.
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Dec 31, 2021 20:37
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Predicting pandemics, the thing that's been a regular feature of all of human history except in an extended period before 2019? Real strong prediction there. I wonder if next they'll predict that water might be occasionally moist. Thank you for replying to my joke post with facts I've known regarding a hobby I tragically sold my soul to at the tender age of 11 (this is a joke about the D&D satanic panic.) But if you're going to "well-actually" me about this, the Cyberpunk TTRPG is itself a conglomeration of tropes, concepts, and future speculation that was pooled from comic, film, and literary sources of the grim near-future coming out in the 80s, with addendums in future editions as more came out through the 90s and to today. It certainly came first in compiling them all together into a... kind of cohesive singular gaming world, but you can't credit it with being the original predictor either. Oh no wait, it did do the innovative "Use Barbie Dolls for book art" stunt once  Mercury Hat posted:This was a good video, I love the energy CJ brings. The analysis / discussion is a nice split between "Rick and Morty is irresponsible in the message it presents" and "it takes a genius level IQ etc etc" takes that are the usual ones you find. I can't remember seeing any other talks about the show that bring in the writers' creative processes. It's especially good to compare Harmon's writing philosophy about leaning away from the Deep Lore contrasted with a large part of the fanbase spinning out ever-increasingly complicated plot theories. I haven't watched Rick and Morty, but I can see a lot of Harmon's joke construction process in Community, too. And I think it is a great video on emphasizing that putting yourself out there, learning, and growing is so essential to actually creating great things. Dawgstar posted:"Don't negotiate with terrorists, your ego is a terrorist" is a great line. CJ is one of the few people who can get me to watch an hour+ video because it doesn't feel like an hour+. There's that too, CJ's videos have been great at pacing and setting up ways to keep your attention even when they end up running long. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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Dec 31, 2021 20:40
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Microcline posted:I like Joe as a critic but he probably should have just said "hey maybe I was wrong about this one" lmfao that anyone should have to apologize for elves
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Dec 31, 2021 20:50
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I remember following the Joseph Anderson/Sophie beef sorta closely when it was happening, because I was fans of both and wanted to understand what exactly was going on. I had been following Joseph for longer and had only recently gotten into Sophie, but generally liked their takes (especially their Last of Us 2 video). Joseph generally does these super long, deep dive videos on games, and he had (still is?) been going through the Witcher series starting with the first game. At some point in the 4hr long video, he made a comment, sorta jokingly, about how the game had "made [him] racist" against the elves in the game. There was a little bit more nuance to that take, of course (it's a long video) but that's the thing that Sophie focused on when they were calling out Joseph. To try and give him the benefit of the doubt -- which maybe I shouldn't, but I generally like the dude and his video essays -- I think his point was that within the fiction of the setting, the elves are portrayed as being pretty terrible, and despite him wanting to give them a chance or find some more realistic or nuanced portrayal, he felt the game made it really hard to actually like or sympathize with them. Like, even on certain missions and whatnot where you're siding with them, there's still little signs or reminders that they suck (e.g. still treating the main character like poo poo, being super hardline and bigoted toward the other races within the world, things like that). I want to say there's also "word of god" style details in the setting that make it seem like elves are intrinsically bad or otherwise irredeemable. Sorta like how Tolkien's orcs in LOTR are portrayed. I could be wrong, though, and I haven't watched Joseph's video since it was first released, so maybe I'm totally off the mark here or misremembering what he said in a more positive light because I'm biased  Sophie's video was more about the fan reactions/interpretations of the Witcher videogames in general, but they did specifically call out Joseph in part of the video. Again, it's been a while since I watched/followed any of this, but IIRC their point was that, at a minimum, Joseph's take was problematic/eyebrow-raising considering the implications w/r/t to fantastical racism and how it relates to real world racism, which Joseph seemingly ignored or doesn't seem to have thought through. Basically, you can't just throw your hands up and say "it's all fiction, bro, it doesn't matter!" because someone in the real world -- the author -- still had to come up with the idea in the first place and also chose to put it in their story, and it's fair (if not morally imperative) for us to examine/criticize that choice. I think Sophie's video caused a bunch of their followers to go harass Joseph, so he ended up posting a long-rear end YouTube comment under Sophie's video wherein he attempted to defend himself, which just seemed to make everything worse. He basically said: yo, you missed a lot of the context/nuance from my video which is understandable because it's 4hrs long, but still, I don't like being accused of being racist. Sophie at some point made some short, pithy reply that boiled down to: hey, I'd rather not get into a long drawn-out debate in front of everyone, so feel free to PM me if you want to continue discussing this. I don't know if he ever did, but in the meantime a bunch of Sophie's fans were dogpiling on Joseph in the replies to his comment, so he proceeded to spend the next several hours responding to tons of various people, still defending himself as much as he could. Very much a "posting through it" kinda situation...I remember reading through the comments and it was just bad all around, on his part and on the various people engaging with him. Just everyone kinda talking past each other. The main sense I got was people repeatedly calling him a racist and him being absolutely, clinically unable to NOT immediately reply to every single on of those accusations with a "no I'm not!!  ". Lots of discussion about "word of god" in fiction, death of the author, fantastic racism...it was interesting, in a sense, but also it was mostly a lot of contentious arguing and people treating the other side like monsters. I think that was the extent of the matter, though. Like someone else mentioned, I think Sophie might've called him out on Twitter was well, but it was mostly just Joseph spending way too much time arguing with randos in Sophie's comments and being unable to let it go. But he eventually dropped it and I don't think Sophie ever mentioned it again. I kept on wondering if he'd try to address the issue at all in his next Witcher video, but that never came out. In general he's very much stopped producing content and has stepped away from the limelight a bit, due to other personal issues.
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Dec 31, 2021 20:50
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was this for real an event over elf racism. how did anyone take this seriously and not laugh her off the internetquote:Joseph's take was problematic/eyebrow-raising considering the implications w/r/t to fantastical racism and how it relates to real world racism, which Joseph seemingly ignored or doesn't seem to have thought through you have got to be kidding me
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Dec 31, 2021 20:51
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I apologize to the elfish community for my use of the slur 'knife ear', it was a heated D&D moment, that's not who I am
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Dec 31, 2021 20:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZteAovHJllk Another round of Drew Gooden buying dumb poo poo off of insta ads. Now with more scamming!
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Dec 31, 2021 20:55
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