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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Speaking of mitigations, what are the mitigation efforts for the huge super spreader event known as New Years. Probably little if any at this point. https://twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/1476940588167671812?s=20 of course these are New York City leaders making these decisions, not Biden himself.
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Gripweed posted:I remember when this was a right wing talking point to try to downplay the danger of Covid. If it's making it's way across the political divide, that's not great. What you see in this thread doesn't represent any side of the political debate. There is no energy for a return to lockdowns from any corner that isn't just some folks online pretending that their deepest darkest fears are coming true. Zodium posted:play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Gripweed posted:I remember when this was a right wing talking point to try to downplay the danger of Covid. If it's making it's way across the political divide, that's not great. c'mon dude, it was used early in the first wave by anti-vaxxers to handwave away the massive amounts of dead people who died from covid (claiming that if you died of covid while having a pre-existing condition then it didn't count) People now are talking about making the distinction between people who go to hospital because of getting sick from omicron and those who are tested while in the hospital for something else and found to incidentally have it (because the latter group is actually higher than the former in most countries and it's distorting the hospitalisation stats) It's not the same thing at all
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Wang Commander posted:I have traveled for business during the pandemic and unfortunately they are much like anywhere else that allows food and drink: home of the ubiquitous covid-repellent water bottle also seen in classrooms and workplaces Then they shouldn't be serving food and drink, or allowing consumption of food and drink brought on board, for flights under three hours or so. Or there should be a vaccination requirement for air travel. Or both.
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How are u posted:Requiring vaccines for air travel seems like a complete no-brainer and I'm pretty disappointed it hasn't happened. That would require airlines to not get as much money.
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Wang Commander posted:Culture-bound "dehydration" means you basically can't deny Americans a water bottle in any context, it's a wild thing and I'm wondering if other countries are this way now They don't allow food or drink in theatres in Ontario and as far as I know it's worked fine (of course there's people complaining about how their Spiderman viewing experience was completely ruined by not being able to eat lovely movie theatre popcorn.)
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Rust Martialis posted:Denmark I appreciate the effort you put into these posts but man, it's just a wall of text to me. Not sure if others think the same. If you could dump it into excel and generate some graphs i think these posts would be much more useful
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Craptacular! posted:This is not a phrase associated with people saying anything particularly productive, and it doesn't add anything to your post. You've used it twice now, so maybe try not to sound like one of 2020's police bootlickers while suggesting something that pulls up to if not drives over the line of martial law. lol
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Wang Commander posted:Culture-bound "dehydration" means you basically can't deny Americans a water bottle in any context, it's a wild thing and I'm wondering if other countries are this way now 'Dehydration'? I know for an absolute fact I've felt much better and had improved health metrics since i started drinking a lot more water about a decade ago. Do not become addicted to water, my friends. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence. air travel vaccine mandate for non kids without doctors note is probably the correct choice
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How are u posted:Requiring vaccines for air travel seems like a complete no-brainer and I'm pretty disappointed it hasn't happened. It has in Canada Meant my girlfriends idiot anti-vax relatives couldn't go to the funeral of another relative
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Alctel posted:c'mon dude, it was used early in the first wave by anti-vaxxers to handwave away the massive amounts of dead people who died from covid (claiming that if you died of covid while having a pre-existing condition then it didn't count) Fully disagree. This is 100% a right wing talking point adopted by the liberals/media/Democrats now that Biden is in charge. A covid case is a covid case and those in the hospital are impacted not only with any ailments they may have had, but also battling an infectious disease that turns lungs into Swiss cheese and does neurological damage. My assumption is soon we will have calls to no longer test cases since they make the Biden admin look bad and there will be OP-EDs on why, to use a right wing phrase since it is fashionable, it’s (D)ifferent. Riptor posted:I appreciate the effort you put into these posts but man, it's just a wall of text to me. Not sure if others think the same. If you could dump it into excel and generate some graphs i think these posts would be much more useful I’d like to say the opposite. I enjoy each post since it provides an incite on countries other than the US and provides data on the current trend. Putting it in an excel link would make it too easy to ignore. That said, it would be nice to have an offsite excel document as a back up. Nonsense posted:Probably little if any at this point. This is only going to make the issue worse. This reckless behavior is no different from DeSantis’s nonsense. Dems truly are no better than their awful Republican counterparts. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:A covid case is a covid case and those in the hospital are impacted not on fly with any ailments they may have had, but also battling an infectious disease that turns lungs into Swiss cheese and does neurological damage. C'mon dude, someone in the hospital with a broken leg who also happens to test positive for asymptomatic covid is not the same as someone actually in hospital because they are being severely affected by covid. Conflating the two is just being ridiculous.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:A covid case is a covid case and those in the hospital are impacted not on fly with any ailments they may have had, but also battling an infectious disease that turns lungs into Swiss cheese and does neurological damage. This is bullshit. Some people do incidentally test positive for Covid with no symptoms and they are not "battling" Covid, this is what incidental positives are, especially among the vaccinated whose lungs are mostly not being turned into Swiss cheese. Stay out of this thread if you can't talk about this subject with any loving nuance whatsoever.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:This is only going to make the issue worse. This reckless behavior is no different from DeSantis nonsense. Dems truly are no better than their awful Republican counterparts. Yeah, I'm thinking back to the West African Ebola outbreak and thinking of all the times people were like, "oh those backward people, they won't give up their traditions and that's why it keeps spreading!" and now... the west is doing the same thing, except it's not religious, it's not a funeral, it's just that we really want to have a big party because we've always had a big party on this day!
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Alctel posted:c'mon dude, it was used early in the first wave by anti-vaxxers to handwave away the massive amounts of dead people who died from covid (claiming that if you died of covid while having a pre-existing condition then it didn't count) Right. It's like how when chuds were shouting "it's just the flu bro!" it's because they were downplaying the severity of the virus. But the people pointing out that omicron is no worse than the flu are simply listening to the experts and following the science. It's completely different.
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PT6A posted:Yeah, I'm thinking back to the West African Ebola outbreak and thinking of all the times people were like, "oh those backward people, they won't give up their traditions and that's why it keeps spreading!" and now... the west is doing the same thing, except it's not religious, it's not a funeral, it's just that we really want to have a big party because we've always had a big party on this day! I mean, you don't even have to include New Years Eve (which like it or not is a cultural event). People were bitching about restrictions because it impacted their ability to see Spiderman in theatres.
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Professor Beetus posted:This is bullshit. Some people do incidentally test positive for Covid with no symptoms and they are not "battling" Covid, this is what incidental positives are, especially among the vaccinated whose lungs are mostly not being turned into Swiss cheese. Stay out of this thread if you can't talk about this subject with any loving nuance whatsoever. Curious is anyone here is still unvaccinated. But yeah, double vaccinated is giving like 75-80% lower hospitalization rates in DK. Src: MAH WALL O' TEXT
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Professor Beetus posted:This is bullshit. Some people do incidentally test positive for Covid with no symptoms and they are not "battling" Covid, this is what incidental positives are, especially among the vaccinated whose lungs are mostly not being turned into Swiss cheese. Stay out of this thread if you can't talk about this subject with any loving nuance whatsoever. I guess the follow up question is did the Republicans have a point last year when they stated there was an issue with the death counts because people were dying with covid but not of covid? I don’t recall a request for nuance then from the media or Democrats but I could be mistaken. I personally don’t see the difference and if anything I feel it muddies the waters and provides an opportunity to downplay the affects of covid.
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I just saw Spiderman in a theater in the very red state in which I'm spending the holiday. We were the only masked people in the entire place, so we went and sat in the more forward section of seating away from everybody else (especially those kids who *for sure* are not vaccinated). It was really good, really fun movie. No covid symptoms so far, but we shall see!
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I guess the follow up question is did the Republicans have a point last year when they stated there was an issue with the death counts because people were dying with covid but not of covid? Recognizing the actual reality is not downplaying covid, for the umpteenth time. And yes, this is different than June 2020, long before vaccines, when that talking point was being trotted out and used by Right wingers to downplay the vast numbers of people sitting and dying on ventilators because they had other conditions. They were mostly talking about people that actually died and quibbling about cause of death being covid vs the thing that really killed them, because they thought Covid was a hoax or some bullshit.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:This is only going to make the issue worse. This reckless behavior is no different from DeSantis’s nonsense. Dems truly are no better than their awful Republican counterparts. The reality is it’s up to the feds to have a program to support municipalities if they’re going to destroy significant portions of their tax base to do what’s appropriate, and support the people who are going to lose money over this time. Japan accomplished this by effectively paying people to not go to work. We need to at least return to “unemployment checks pay more than actually working” before we can expect even Dem-aligned regions to choose to shut down the majority of their economic sectors.
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Professor Beetus posted:Recognizing the actual reality is not downplaying covid, for the umpteenth time. And yes, this is different than June 2020, long before vaccines, when that talking point was being trotted out and used by Right wingers to downplay the vast numbers of people sitting and dying on ventilators because they had other conditions. They were mostly talking about people that actually died and quibbling about cause of death being covid vs the thing that really killed them, because they thought Covid was a hoax or some bullshit. I guess agree to disagree. I’ll rephrase it as such: That talking point is being trotted out and used by Democrats/media to downplay the vast numbers of people infected by a neurological destroying virus because they had other conditions. They are mostly talking about people that actually tested positive and quibbling about the severity of covid vs the failure of the Biden administration, CDC, and the entire governing body of the US, because it’s makes Democrats and the world’s largest super power look bad. This is why I don’t see a difference. Edit: also going to drop this as it seems to be leading to a derail which is not my intention. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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illcendiary posted:What in the christ is culture-bound dehydration? I wish airlines would stop serving drinks/snacks on short flights but drat lol There are two competing misunderstandings of hydration that are pretty common all over: 1. Some people don't get enough fluids and are low-level dehydrated all the time. This is pretty rare but does happen. 2. A lot of people have bought into the belief that they need to be drinking water near constantly, at higher amounts than they need. This stems from a very old research claim that people needed to get about 2 liters of fluids a day, originally expressed in some guidance as "6-8 glasses". This turned into "drink 8 glasses of water every day", which has more recently turned into "the 8x8 challenge" and other memes based on drinking a lot of water. All of this is bullshit for most purposes; we get water from other drinks and from food, and the body is generally pretty good at water self-regulation, so people should not need to force themselves to drink more than they feel like they need. This cultural overconsumption is mostly harmless , but it has mask and infection control consequences right now. (It is very possible to kill yourself by drinking too much water, but that requires much, much more of it and I've only heard of it happening in relation to stunt challenges from radio shows)
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I guess agree to disagree. I’ll rephrase it as such: I mean you can believe what you want but folks in here are not the CDC and I think it's okay for us to recognize that the virus can be bad without being Captain Trips. Again pointing out that this is a small corner of the internet and no one here is influencing public policy, and can have these sorts of conversations without literally having lives on the line. Also it bugs me that you keep referring to this as a "neurological destroying" virus because that's a misrepresentation of what is happening to people's brains and many people do in fact recover from Covid without lasting symptoms. Please understand that I say that while acknowledging that I agree with you that the current government response is terrible, and that yes, we should have significant NPIs in place to protect the people that do suffer long term effects from Covid and those who are immunocompromised and get hit much harder. It's gross and callous to lump them into the giant mass of anti-vaxxers and shrugging at their statistical noise. In short, this continues to be a complex issue and I would really like the conversation in here to be able to reflect that rather than whatever gently caress happened to this thread over the last two days.
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Discendo Vox posted:There are two competing misunderstandings of hydration that are pretty common all over: That makes sense, thanks! I truly didn't realize the guidance was only a half-gallon a day, I really thought you needed to be drinking something like a gallon. I guess it's possible that it means a gallon total, i.e. from water and other food sources. Echoing what a previous poster said, I anecdotally feel way better on days I drink a ton of water but I didn't fully appreciate the impact it generally has on mask wearing, except on planes as I had noted earlier.
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Professor Beetus posted:This is bullshit. Some people do incidentally test positive for Covid with no symptoms and they are not "battling" Covid, this is what incidental positives are, especially among the vaccinated whose lungs are mostly not being turned into Swiss cheese. Stay out of this thread if you can't talk about this subject with any loving nuance whatsoever. The original claim is that the number of current hospitalizations is a misleading number because some people are in the hospital for non-covid issues and then end up testing positive for covid. I think that this claim misses the point of why hospitalization statistics are important. The statistic is important because hospital capacity is a limited resource. It doesn't really matter why someone is in a hospital bed. If the hospitals start turning people away because they're overflowing that's a disaster without needing to breakdown the proportion of "with" vs "of" covid. It's also important for other reasons - people in a hospital with covid put staff and other patients at additional risk. They require additional monitoring and medications, they require isolation and special spaces. A person with a broken leg + covid is harder to care for than a person with a broken leg. We're facing a severe crisis of hospital capacity which is going to become worse before it becomes better. Covid being a primary cause for hospitalization is not a mitigating explanation which reduces the crisis or burden on health care workers.
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Rust Martialis posted:Curious is anyone here is still unvaccinated. Seattle and NYC show even bigger reduction in hospitalizations, and weirdly also a significant reduction in cases from vaccination. I wonder why --- could be more cases missed, could be more boosters, could be different variant mix, could be something I can't think of? https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1476908564790845442/photo/2
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Salt Fish posted:The original claim is that the number of current hospitalizations is a misleading number because some people are in the hospital for non-covid issues and then end up testing positive for covid. I think that this claim misses the point of why hospitalization statistics are important. The statistic is important because hospital capacity is a limited resource. It doesn't really matter why someone is in a hospital bed. If the hospitals start turning people away because they're overflowing that's a disaster without needing to breakdown the proportion of "with" vs "of" covid. Those are fair points and I don't think anyone has a good answer for what to do about hospitals in the US. poo poo is extremely hosed and we're not going to see any mitigating measures until it's too late. Obviously this still varies significantly depending on state/local municipality, but I was very nearly admitted to a hospital a second time this year, back in October, and this time the only place that had a bed for me was 30+ miles away. e: Blue state, blue county, high vax rates, etc etc. Also for anyone worried that I was going to die from Covid and leave this thread poorly moderated, whatever illness I had starting on Christmas Eve appears to have run its course. Probably not Covid but in our county both omicron, the common cold, and the flu are all seemingly surging, so take your pic I guess. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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OddObserver posted:Seattle and NYC show even bigger reduction in hospitalizations, and weirdly also a significant reduction in cases from vaccination. I wonder why --- could be more cases missed, could be more boosters, could be different variant mix, could be something I can't think of? DK is 48% boosted, 41% double, 2% single and 9% unvaccinated. Denmark is mostly Biontech. How are NYC and SEA?
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Salt Fish posted:The original claim is that the number of current hospitalizations is a misleading number because some people are in the hospital for non-covid issues and then end up testing positive for covid. I think that this claim misses the point of why hospitalization statistics are important. The statistic is important because hospital capacity is a limited resource. It doesn't really matter why someone is in a hospital bed. If the hospitals start turning people away because they're overflowing that's a disaster without needing to breakdown the proportion of "with" vs "of" covid. That's not how those numbers work. COVID hospitalizations alone are not a measurement of capacity. If you take someone in the hospital for a car crash and it turns out they have an asymptomatic case that pops during a routine screen you haven't diminished your capacity just because you added one to your "hospitalized with COVID" bucket. virtualboyCOLOR posted:I guess agree to disagree. I’ll rephrase it as such: You don't see the difference because you've reduced and distorted your description of events so much it barely still qualifies as intelligible English. The right wing talking point of last year was that someone dying with a comorbidity wasn't dying of COVID, they were dying of the comorbidity and just happened to have COVID. This was bullshit for a number of reasons, not the least of which was it was made up whole-cloth. People with immune disorder or heart condition wouldn't have died if they didn't have COVID, they weren't in the ICU for their condition and got COVID, it was why they were there. It's like when the cops beat someone to death and then try to claim their heart gave out because they had cocaine in their system. Like sure, that probably didn't help their chances of survival but their "chances of survival" would have been a moot point if you didn't beat them to the point we have to start talking about chances of survival. What people are saying here is that, compared to numbers this time a year ago, a large number of our hospitalization numbers are people who not in the hospital for COVID or related issues at all, but are being caught incidentally by robust testing. Not "this person is in the hospital because they are immunosuppressed, it just happens to be COVID triggering the issue", but "Timmy broke his arm and while he was in getting it treated got caught by a COVID screen". There's a tenuous similarity if you reduce it to absurdity, squint real hard, and also ignore that in one situation the underlying facts of the arguement are a complete lie.
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