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Spiggy
Apr 26, 2008

Not a cop
Yeah I don't mind playing out a live game, but I will forfeit a daily game very quickly.

Unfortunately the guy I'm playing in a king vs king/rook endgame does not share this philosophy and is taking his time.

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jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

I normally take opportunities like those to blunder several pieces then my queen

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Below 1000 Elo every extra move favors the player losing the game.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Dias posted:

Below 1000 Elo every extra move favors the player losing the game.

Do you just mean that it increases the chances of the winner blundering, or is the # of moves factored into your ranking somehow?

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

Baronash posted:

Do you just mean that it increases the chances of the winner blundering, or is the # of moves factored into your ranking somehow?

The former, my evaluation graphs need a defibrillator when no one wins in 20 moves or less.

Apsyrtes
May 17, 2004

I found this video to be very interesting, certainly taught me something I never knew about the "value" of the pieces:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDw8yfeUiBg


I did not know Yasser Seirawan was such a nice guy, I've always assumed he's a jerk - I had no basis for that, so not sure why.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




Apsyrtes posted:

I had no basis for that, so not sure why.
I mean he's associated with Eric Hansen, that's a reason

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!

Sub Rosa posted:

I mean he's associated with Eric Hansen, that's a reason

lmao facts

my dad gave me yasser's Winning Chess book series when i was a kid and i absolutely devoured it, idk if it holds up but i think it gave me a pretty solid base that i would go on to mostly forget

the paradigm shift
Jan 18, 2006

new year new goal of playing more rapid 10+5. starting as black, okay my memory for any opening against d4 is hazy but let me just do e5, oh they took it well this is probably a bust. managed to castle my king and drag out most of their pawns while rooks were still trapped. traded queens and ended up +2 due to their attempts to protect her. then they seemed to decide the endgame wasn't going to be much fun after I chased the remaining bishop a couple of times with my remaining knight.

tldr: accidentally did an englund gambit and won against a 1400

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
i'm moving slow and playing bad in 5+0 anonymous blitz on lichess, finishing most of my games with a busted position and no time on the clock.

it was pissing me off, so i thought "if im gonna play bad anyway, maybe i can at least train myself to play fast?"

but i'm winning most of my games (both on the board and on the clock) when playing 3+0. that surprised me! i must be facing weaker opponents at this time control? why might that be -- is it simply because 5+0 is more popular?

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
i used web search to try figuring out which time controls are most popular. i found this graph which is the Number of Hours played in each time control.

I thought it might be interesting for the thread to look at! https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/lichess-time-controls-popularity-using-hours-graph

There's also an older graph here, which counts number of games https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/lichess-time-control-popularity-graphs

TL;DR: 5+0 and 3+0 enjoy similar popularity, with more slightly games played in 3+0, and slightly more time spent on 5+0.

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Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Here is a fun paper by tom7, the guy that did the bad chess algorithms youtube video. He calculates the longest possible game of chess as having 17,697 moves according to FIDE rules. It presents the oddities of FIDE rules, and weird corner cases. For example, did you know that this is officially a drawn position due to insufficient material?



How about this one?



http://tom7.org/chess/longest.pdf

YOUR UNCOOL NIECE
May 6, 2007

Kanga-Rat Murder Society

Salt Fish posted:

Here is a fun paper by tom7, the guy that did the bad chess algorithms youtube video.

I love this guy way too much

Ravel
Dec 23, 2009

There's no story

Thanks for this, really enjoyed the part where he goes into some of the weird quirks of the rules. I would have read a whole paper on just those, I know there must be some related to clock usage that wasnt useful to the longest game problem.

I remember Alireza being confused that he had lost instead of drawn a game when Magnus had only a king and bishop but had won on time, and it turned out that because Alireza still had material there was technically some way he could have been checkmated if he had walked his own king into a corner and allowed the bishop and king to mate him.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Salt Fish posted:

Here is a fun paper by tom7, the guy that did the bad chess algorithms youtube video. He calculates the longest possible game of chess as having 17,697 moves according to FIDE rules. It presents the oddities of FIDE rules, and weird corner cases. For example, did you know that this is officially a drawn position due to insufficient material?



How about this one?



http://tom7.org/chess/longest.pdf

both of those should be counted as drawn positions though

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Helianthus Annuus posted:

but i'm winning most of my games (both on the board and on the clock) when playing 3+0

UPDATE: this winning trend has not continued lol

But, I think I prefer 3+0, because my opponents are making more mistakes under time pressure. Its more fun to find and punish those goofs than it is to be the one getting punished all the time

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

this reminds me of a position i had earlier today, where i got pissed off and resigned because i thought it was mate in 2, and the opponents queen (checking me) was just hanging lmao

i laughed at the paper, thanks

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Ha

YOUR UNCOOL NIECE
May 6, 2007

Kanga-Rat Murder Society

quote:

The game given is believed to be maximal, as measured in the
number of moves. But, other metrics exist. For example, the letter g is slightly wider than f...

this is the kind of thinking I need in my life

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I'm reading My System for real and it's actually a pretty light read. Nimzo talking poo poo about bad moves is fun.

Esposito
Apr 5, 2003

Sic transit gloria. Maybe we'll meet again someday, when the fighting stops.
i am bad at chess but an evening spent playing on tilt has made me think i'm absolute dogshit

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


so close to 4 figgies on dailies on chess.com and i’m clearly winning against an 1100 (about to be up a queen, rook and 2 pawns after a forced sequence). please resign dude, i want that extra zero

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

man i dont think ive ever made any money from chess. congrats dude.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
This might be a strange question, but is there any chess terminology that has stuck out to people as idiosyncratic? I don't mean things like "pawn structure" which is fairly direct jargon, but more abstract terms.
For example, I hadn't heard "X is better" used before for other games (presumably because chess is more drawish so "X is winning" is a distinct state). Or "tension" to describe situations where pieces may trade off with each other but haven't (yet). Or "accuracy", "(in)accurate" moves.
Is there any resource of chess etymology? :v:

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I'm pretty sure the word "gambit" comes from chess and made its way out into the wider world. Myself, I find myself saying "intermezzo" instead of "intermediate" pretty often.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Hand Knit posted:

I'm pretty sure the word "gambit" comes from chess and made its way out into the wider world. Myself, I find myself saying "intermezzo" instead of "intermediate" pretty often.

Whoa, that's surprising but sure enough:

"gambit (n.)
"chess opening in which a pawn or piece is risked for advantage later," 1650s, gambett, from Italian gambetto, literally "a tripping up" (as a trick in wrestling), from gamba "leg," from Late Latin gamba (see gambol (n.)). Applied to chess openings in Spanish in 1561 by Ruy Lopez, who traced it to the Italian word, but the form in Spanish generally was gambito, which led to French gambit, which has influenced the English spelling of the word. Broader sense of "opening move meant to gain advantage" in English is recorded from 1855."

https://www.etymonline.com/word/gambit

"Ruy Lopez invented the word gambit" is some s tier chess trivia.

Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jan 5, 2022

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
Yeah that's a surprise for me too.

Now that I think about it, "compensation" is another one that I've started applying outside of chess contexts :v:

Carbolic
Apr 19, 2007

This song is about how America chews the working man up and spits him in the dirt to die

Redmark posted:

This might be a strange question, but is there any chess terminology that has stuck out to people as idiosyncratic? I don't mean things like "pawn structure" which is fairly direct jargon, but more abstract terms.
For example, I hadn't heard "X is better" used before for other games (presumably because chess is more drawish so "X is winning" is a distinct state). Or "tension" to describe situations where pieces may trade off with each other but haven't (yet). Or "accuracy", "(in)accurate" moves.
Is there any resource of chess etymology? :v:

I played OTB chess a lot in the 1990s and then came back to the game a few years ago. One thing that stuck out when I came back was all the talk about "accurate" vs. "inaccurate" moves. Maybe a "?!" was referred to as an "inaccuracy" 25 years ago but I can't remember anyone talking about accurate moves. I am assuming the term arose because we now have far stronger computers to compare our "accuracy" to.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Carbolic posted:

I played OTB chess a lot in the 1990s and then came back to the game a few years ago. One thing that stuck out when I came back was all the talk about "accurate" vs. "inaccurate" moves. Maybe a "?!" was referred to as an "inaccuracy" 25 years ago but I can't remember anyone talking about accurate moves. I am assuming the term arose because we now have far stronger computers to compare our "accuracy" to.

Oh yeah, I've definitely incorporated stuff like "!?," "dubious," and "exclam" into everyday speak.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
I think speaking in the present tense about possibilities is a very chess-y thing, i.e: "if you do this, it loses because of X..."

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

Talking in second person is a very covid-policy thing. I fear for the lexical landscape we are creating for our children

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Zugzwang is a term I love to apply to everything.

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo

silvergoose posted:

Zugzwang is a term I love to apply to everything.

Zugzwang is a good word, Germany always comes thru when we need words for abstract concepts.

I've been calling...well, exchanges exchanges, instead of trades like I used to when I played CCGs, that's another one.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
"endgame" came up today, outside a chess context (but maybe lots of other games have endgames too)

Nofeed
Sep 14, 2008
I’ve been getting a lot of use out of “concrete” and “accurate” at work, personally.

Carbolic
Apr 19, 2007

This song is about how America chews the working man up and spits him in the dirt to die

Helianthus Annuus posted:

"endgame" came up today, outside a chess context (but maybe lots of other games have endgames too)

It was used in the title of the highest- or second-highest grossing movie of all time...

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Dias posted:

Zugzwang is a good word, Germany always comes thru when we need words for abstract concepts.

I've been calling...well, exchanges exchanges, instead of trades like I used to when I played CCGs, that's another one.

Zugzwang is pretty funny, because it became popular in German in the same year as in English. And it also expanded into being used as an allegory at the same time.
In short Nimzo is just that cool.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?
How do you improve your ability to recognize mating patterns and good moves in actual games? I've gone through (twice, in some cases) the mating patterns, tactics, and endgame examples on Lichess. I average about 30-40 puzzles a day, review tactics and positions from books, and have tried to work in some YT content on chess tactics and strategy.

But in actual games, at least when I'm not getting crushed, I'm ending up in positions like this:

And just completely blowing it. Instead of the obvious mate in 2, I went Rf1 to get his queen. I ended up missing a forced checkmate 3 more times before finally blundering my queen and losing.

In a puzzle, I know there is a great move buried somewhere, so I'll spend as long as I need to find it. In a game though, even on long time controls I'm never sure if a position warrants more evaluation. Are there any shortcuts you use that'll make you think "hold on, I think there might be something here"?

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
I'm not good enough to help with the actual calculation part but I think part of it is figuring out whether you're "supposed" to have a tactic given the state of the game. Looking at a position like that my evaluation would be "come on there has to be mate here", so that would be motivation to spend more time trying to find one. Similarly if your pieces are more developed or better-coordinated than the opponents, that's usually more promising for tactics than when you're on the back foot.

I think of it like "if the chess gods are just, should I be winning here?"

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Do you have more pieces around your opponent's king than they have? Look for the kill.

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