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Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

2, 11, 14, 22, 41, 42, 87. Not including sub-highways like 840 around Nashville or 165 in Kentucky, or ongoing expansions to existing highways like I-69 and I-86.

this was a dumb response you could have easily googled and you should feel bad for posting it

I mean I could've, but what's the internet for if not confidently asserting poorly researched, incorrect opinions?

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Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



Discendo Vox posted:

The article discusses how several of the programs are ripping material from at least facebook and twitter in ways the companies deliberately do not sell or permit in their agreements because even they think it's too prone to abuse.

The article refers to Twitter indicating that it is not authorized, but Facebook never responded to whether or not they had provided authorization for the data collection, so it's incorrect to state that even Facebook believes it's too prone to abuse. They very well may have authorized it but don't want to go on the record publicly as having done so, but we don't know.

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

It kinda sounds like they're just scraping public API data . All of the domestic stuff in the article sounds interesting and not good, but anytime they pivot to "and they're bringing it OVERSEAS" it kinda just sounds like major international power information gathering. Which isn't great, but nothing exactly new.

quote:

The purchases range in size from small, automated programs to projects costing hundreds of thousands of dollars that are staffed 24 hours a day by teams including English speakers and foreign policy specialists.

The documents describe highly customizable programs that can collect real-time social media data from individual social media users. Some describe tracking broad trends on issues including U.S. elections.

This bit in particular is kinda funny. What major country doesn't do this poo poo, probably? The idea that they're bringing Big Censorship anywhere outside of their own borders is kinda laughable, but the article wants me to scared about it for some reason

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

SourKraut posted:

The article refers to Twitter indicating that it is not authorized, but Facebook never responded to whether or not they had provided authorization for the data collection, so it's incorrect to state that even Facebook believes it's too prone to abuse. They very well may have authorized it but don't want to go on the record publicly as having done so, but we don't know.

I stand corrected, thanks

Thorn Wishes Talon
Oct 18, 2014

by Fluffdaddy
A fascinating essay containing a ton of great commentary about China:

https://danwang.co/2021-letter/

It's very long, but also very good.

Rabelais D
Dec 11, 2012

ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

A fascinating essay containing a ton of great commentary about China:

https://danwang.co/2021-letter/

It's very long, but also very good.

Dan Wang's end of year thoughts are always excellent, but this one is especially rich and tinged with obsessive madness (notably the long essay on the appreciation of Italian opera wedged in the middle).

I find it funny that he rates The Three Body Problem as the greatest cultural export of the last forty years, which I think basically just outs him as a sci-fi nerd, which is fine of course, but the standard response at least to the translation seems to be "what's all the fuss about?". Worth noting however that we can say that about all translations of Chinese literary fiction, from Mabel Lee's terrible hash of Soul Mountain to Goldblatt's rather pedestrian treatment of Mo Yan.

Stay for the comments at the bottom of the piece, where two Cspammers complain that Dan's fascination with opera makes him a stooge of the west, alongside an obligatory "what about the Uyghurs?" comment from a reader who obviously didn't read closely enough. Good stuff!

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Three Body Problem is legitimately a good piece of science fiction and honestly the first innovative cultural work I've seen come out of 21st century China.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Morrow posted:

Three Body Problem is legitimately a good piece of science fiction and honestly the first innovative cultural work I've seen come out of 21st century China.

Probably a good emphasis here on "come out of" as opposed to "has been produced by", even the author himself has been producing stuff ignored by the west for years. I personally loved the books because I couldn't tell if the strangeness was a cultural thing or just the author being super weird and hosed up. Haven't had to deal with that fun conundrum since I picked up combloc scifi years ago and all that entails

I definitely think it's a joke to consider it the biggest cultural export of the last 40 years. Even Fortnite supersedes it by like 10x

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Epic High Five posted:


I definitely think it's a joke to consider it the biggest cultural export of the last 40 years. Even Fortnite supersedes it by like 10x

I don't think we can count something as coming out of China just because Tencent is in some way involved. And that's the only connection China has to it, right?

Be like saying, I dunno, Squid Game is American cuz they put it on Netflix.

But I might be wrong I'm no Fortnite expert.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
yeah fortnite has literally nothing to do with china?

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I was mistaken, I thought it was wholly owned but it's clear from some googling that it is more complicated than that with all parties involved, apologies.

Mulva
Sep 13, 2011
It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.
Epic Games, it's literally the entire reason they tried to make their own Steam like service, they've functionally made infinity dollars off Fortnite and can afford to just burn hundreds of millions trying to get people to use their service. Nothing at all to do with China.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
Dan Wang has afaik been consistent on the perspective of semiconductors > consumer platforms; my unease is not so much that this is necessarily wrong (I would say it's debatable: something can be essential without necessarily benefiting proportionately from additional capital and labour input) but rather that not very long ago Beijing was confident that the 智慧国土 (smart cities) project emphasizing big data and management platforms (AI-guided social harmony at its most bullshit, GIS urban planning and e-government at a more practical level) would be the key to the future and myriad privileges were handed out to Tencent et al on that basis. This has not survived what is relatively minor political blowback. Now it's German industrial metro clusters as the wave of the future. One group of technocratic theorists have pushed out the other. How long would that last?

Short attention spans and long-term indicative planning don't mix well...

The most obvious problem of the manufacturing-heavy outlook is the requirement for wage repression, which is inconsistent with the desired pivot to domestic consumption. Only it's harder to back out of a national strategy after putting up all those factories with a 30-year payback period.

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

china stopped trade with Lithuania because they said Taiwan is real. As an EU country I think EU should side with Lithuania and stop trade with china. EU should also instate One Taiwan Policy and if needed help Taiwan to conquer china back. Let china drown in their own produced garbage no one wants to buy anymore

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-trade-attack-on-lithuania-exposes-eu-powerlessness/

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

i personally don’t hope the eu starts literal world war 3

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

fart simpson posted:

i personally don’t hope the eu starts literal world war 3

Maybe I read too much CSPAM. But it sounds like everything is going tits up so why not go with a bang instead of a whiff. I should probably go back to CSPAM though. Sorry.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Ihmemies posted:

china stopped trade with Lithuania because they said Taiwan is real. As an EU country I think EU should side with Lithuania and stop trade with china. EU should also instate One Taiwan Policy and if needed help Taiwan to conquer china back. Let china drown in their own produced garbage no one wants to buy anymore

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-trade-attack-on-lithuania-exposes-eu-powerlessness/

You realize whole economies need consumption, so that garbage is pretty integral to the places they're sold in.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Ihmemies posted:

china stopped trade with Lithuania because they said Taiwan is real. As an EU country I think EU should side with Lithuania and stop trade with china. EU should also instate One Taiwan Policy and if needed help Taiwan to conquer china back. Let china drown in their own produced garbage no one wants to buy anymore

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-trade-attack-on-lithuania-exposes-eu-powerlessness/
The EU will never do anything that makes even a single German banker one pfennig poorer.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Cant recall if this has already been brought up here, the Eastern Europe thread, or the Eurasia thread, but in any case consensus was basically "The EU isnt going to let one member intentionally agitate outside partners and drag them all into it".

Which makes sense because the EU is about trade, neoliberal reform, and siphoning talent from poorer states. It's not a channel for sanction/trade war diplomacy, and I dont think anyone but Lithuania wants it to be that.

E: And I suppose Lithuania's also grown cold to the idea.
https://twitter.com/taiwanplusnews/status/1478370632471613441?s=20

Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 4, 2022

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
14,000 Chinese Game Companies Have Gone Out Of Business Due To Regulation Freeze
Regulators in China have not released a list of approved new titles since July 2021


https://kotaku.com/14-000-chinese-game-companies-have-gone-out-of-business-1848299632

quote:

China’s freeze on video game licenses continues. South China Morning Post notes that the National Press and Publication Administration (NPPA) has not released a list of newly approved titles since July 2021. Because of this, state-run newspaper Securities Daily reports, approximately 14,000 small game studios and video game connection companies, including those involved in merchandising or publishing, have gone under.

Typically, the NPPA approves around 80 to 100 games a month, so the lack of an approved list has ground part of the industry to a halt. China is such a massive market, and the hiatus has caused uncertainty that has led to layoffs at game companies, and conglomerates with game divisions. However, it sounds like the smaller outfits have been hit the hardest.

In comparison, companies like tech giant Tencent have continued to expand internationally as a way to balance the regulatory situation at home. SCMP points out that Tencent also plans to open a new studio in Singapore under the TiMi Studio Group, which is responsible for Tencent’s mega-hit Honor of Kings. TiMi also has international studios in Montreal, Seattle, and Los Angeles.

No reason has been given for the hiatus, and the NPPA hasn’t stated when approvals will restart. Prior to this latest freeze, the longest period that new game licenses were not released was a nine-month window in 2018.

SCMP points out that the approval freeze happened a few months after March 2021, when President Xi Jinping mentioned his concerns about gaming’s psychological impact on young people. Later in August, state-run media referred to video games as “spiritual opium” and “electronic drugs.” Then, on September 1, restrictions limiting the online gaming of the nation’s youth went into effect. While these restrictions were not law (and were soon circumvented), the combined impact of all this, the lack of new game approvals, and general uncertainty, is impacting the industry—and not in a good way.

Kavros
May 18, 2011

sleep sleep sleep
fly fly post post
sleep sleep sleep
Somehow I don't think this concerns the Chinese government much, what with their current observable tendency to stigmatize gaming or otherwise restrict it

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Silly question.

Does Xi smile? I can't recall official pictures of him smiling. Why? Is he trying to project strength and seriousness? Does he just have a goofy/bad smile? Is it just part and parcel of his all round stiffness and awkwardness?

And how is this unsmiley-osity perceived by the Chinese people/the party/etc.?

It is a silly petty question, but I will ask it anyway.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

you could try typing in something like “xi jinping smile” into google image search and find out he does!

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

BrigadierSensible posted:

Silly question.

Does Xi smile?

Simply wake up in the morning and look to the East, friend.

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin

fart simpson posted:

you could try typing in something like “xi jinping smile” into google image search and find out he does!

To be fair, the Chinese Han phenotype is a foreign enough to most westerners myself included that even those pictures of him "smiling" still have me doubting. Are there any experts in here that can confirm if Chinese people have emotions? I'm still doubting the veracity of these alleged smiling pictures of Xi.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


How are u posted:

14,000 Chinese Game Companies Have Gone Out Of Business Due To Regulation Freeze
Regulators in China have not released a list of approved new titles since July 2021


https://kotaku.com/14-000-chinese-game-companies-have-gone-out-of-business-1848299632

The wumaos are out in full force in the comments for that article.

One of the higher rated ones:

comments posted:

Let’s not pretend video games are little more than a flashy escapist distraction with a capacity for gambling addiction in a nation where 70% of Chinese millennials own a home (not rented, not owned by a bank).

I’d rather own a real house than a gta online mansion.

And it's like mate, you realise you're posting on a videogame gossip website, right.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Private Speech posted:

The wumaos are out in full force in the comments for that article.

One of the higher rated ones:

And it's like mate, you realise you're posting on a videogame gossip website, right.

To be fair, he is right. Perhaps he is just keeping things in focus.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Detained, missing, close to death: the toll of reporting on Covid in China
Activists say crackdown is driven by Xi Jinping, who has ‘declared a war on independent journalism’


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/detained-missing-close-to-death-toll-reporting-covid-china

quote:

Chen Kun was living in Indonesia with his wife and daughter when he learned from his brother Mei’s boss that he had been “taken away for investigation” by Chinese police.

He immediately suspected it was to do with his brother’s website, a citizen news project called Terminus 2049. Since 2018 Mei, his colleague Cai Wei, and Cai’s partner – surnamed Tang – had been archiving articles about issues including #MeToo and migrant rights, and reposting them whenever they were deleted from China’s strictly monitored and censored online platforms. It was April 2020, and for the last few months Terminus 2049 had been targeting stories about the Covid-19 outbreak and response.

In an interview with the Guardian from his home in France, Chen recalled warning his shy but passionate younger brother about setting up such a website, but thinking the worst case scenario was that Mei would be “invited to drink tea”, a euphemism for interrogation by security agencies, not arrested.

Instead Mei and Cai spent almost 16 months in detention. Tang was released in May, when the other two were convicted at a trial which Chen said lasted just 100 minutes. Mei and Cai were sentenced to 15 months jail and released in August on time served. Mei is potentially still under surveillance.

The group is on a growing list of journalists and others who have been arrested and detained by Chinese authorities, often without trial, in a crackdown that appeared to escalate during the pandemic.

In December a report by Reporters Without Borders (RSF) detailed a worsening “nightmare” for journalists under the rule of Xi Jinping, with 128 known to be behind bars or disappeared. More than 70 are Uyghur journalists, and at least 10 people were arrested for reporting on the Covid outbreak and lockdown in Wuhan.

Chen said it was a sign of how sensitive Chinese authorities were and remain about the pandemic and its origins.

“I’m sure the reason why my brother was arrested was because of Covid,” Chen said. “Before his arrest … they didn’t encounter any problems.”

‘A war on independent journalism’
Mei was formally arrested for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”, a vague and ubiquitous charge frequently levelled at dissidents, activists and journalists, and sent to residential surveillance in a designated location (RSDL) – China’s increasingly utilised form of secretive and solitary detention where the accused can be held for up to six months and interrogated without charge, or access to lawyers or family.

The rights group Safeguard Defenders estimates between 45,000 and 55,000 people have been sent to RSDL, including about 15,000 in 2020. Among them have been Mei, the Australian CGTN anchor Cheng Lei, the journalist Sophia Huang Xueqin and the activist Wang Jianbing.

Mei and his Terminus 2049 colleagues were freed in August, and he is living at home in China. Chen is still advocating for those still detained, particularly Huang, and says that neither his brother nor their parents are aware of his campaigning.

As well as reporting on the #MeToo movement and the Hong Kong protests – the latter for which she was detained for three months in 2019 – Huang had also interviewed Chen and written about Mei.

“She was always trying to record the stories and experiences of a lot of people like my brother, about defenders,” Chen said.

The independent investigative journalist has not been seen since she and Wang were arrested in September on the eve of her planned departure to study in Europe. In October her parents were told she had been formally arrested for “subverting state power”.

Also subject to human rights campaigns is Zhang Zhan, a former lawyer turned citizen reporter, who last Christmas was sentenced to four years in jail over 122 videos she posted online and interviews she gave to foreign press during 14 weeks in Wuhan. Deep into a lengthy hunger strike, which no friends or family can convince her to stop, Zhang is close to death, her family says.

While human rights observers, legal groups, and media organisations maintain she should never have been convicted in the first place, an international campaign is urgently calling for her release on any grounds possible, to save her life.

Feng Bin, who like Zhang broadcast reports on YouTube from Wuhan, has not been seen since his arrest in February 2020, and Li Zehu, who broadcast the police chase which led to his arrest around the same time, was detained for two months. Chen Qiushi, a former human rights lawyer turned citizen journalist, reported from Wuhan’s hospitals interviewing families, disappeared at the same time and didn’t reappear until September.

In February 2020 Cheng Lei, an anchor for Chinese state broadcaster CGTN, posted on Facebook that she and her friend Haze Fan, a Bloomberg news assistant, had been unsuccessfully lobbying to report from Wuhan. In August Cheng was detained and later charged with “illegally supplying state secrets overseas”. Fan was detained in December. Both remain in detention more than a year later.

Cedric Alviari, RSF’s east Asia bureau director, said the 128 detained journalists and press freedom defenders is the biggest count in five years. It includes 71 Uyghur journalists, and at least 10 who face impending death if not immediately released, according to RSF.

Alviari said the crackdown is driven by Xi, who has “declared a war on independent journalism” after tightening controls on traditional media.

“Everything he and the CCP have been doing over the past eight years … has been to suppress independent voices.,” he said.

“The Chinese people, like every person on earth, crave information on what’s happening around them.”

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Judakel posted:

To be fair, he is right. Perhaps he is just keeping things in focus.

Yes I'm sure it's because of their evil videogame decadence that western millenials can't afford to buy a house.

Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

Judakel posted:

To be fair, he is right. Perhaps he is just keeping things in focus.

Yes, videogames are the reason western millennials don't own houses.

e:f,b

joe football
Dec 22, 2012
I read that as more 'well, videogames aren't that great anyway and the otherwise enlightened rule in China lets people own houses so it's a good tradeoff'

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Daduzi posted:

Yes, videogames are the reason western millennials don't own houses.

e:f,b

No, that is just the sedative that helps drown their sorrows.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug
Does that stat have any basis in reality? (70% of Chinese millennials own a home (not rented, not owned by a bank)

Every Chinese millennial I know that owns an apartment was married and financed by 4 parents, 8 grandparents, and as many other extended relatives they could guilt into lending them money, too.

Daduzi
Nov 22, 2005

You can't hide from the Grim Reaper. Especially when he's got a gun.

Judakel posted:

No, that is just the sedative that helps drown their sorrows.

So the comment was just yet more whatabboutism, cool.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Smeef posted:

Does that stat have any basis in reality? (70% of Chinese millennials own a home (not rented, not owned by a bank)

Every Chinese millennial I know that owns an apartment was married and financed by 4 parents, 8 grandparents, and as many other extended relatives they could guilt into lending them money, too.

That figure is from a 2017 HSBC study (https://www.businessinsider.com/properties-overseas-uk-millennials-ownership-2017-4). According to that same article you're right about the family loans but it still counts. China's home ownership rate is somewhere around 90% now IIRC.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Desperation as China’s locked down cities pay price of zero-Covid strategy
Reports emerge of fatal hospital delays and food shortages as more than 14 million people are confined to their homes in the cities of Xi’an and Yuzhou


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/05/desperation-as-chinas-locked-down-cities-pay-price-of-zero-covid-strategy

quote:

Strict lockdowns in the Chinese cities of Xi’an and Yuzhou are taking their toll on the population and healthcare systems, according to residents, with complaints of food shortages and dangerous delays in accessing medical care.

Xi’an, a city of 13 million people, has been under a strict lockdown for nearly two weeks, while Yuzhou’s 1.2 million residents have been ordered to stay inside since Monday evening, after three asymptomatic cases were discovered. Public transport, the use of private motor vehicles, and operation of all shops and venues not supplying daily necessities have all been suspended.

On China’s strictly monitored and regulated social media platforms, a significant number of residents have posted about their concerns and anxieties, despite generally broad support for authorities’ swift response to outbreaks.

Local media has reported concerning delays in the cities’ major hospitals, which require negative tests from patients before they can be admitted. A screenshot of one post which went viral before being deleted claimed a man and his sick father were turned away from a Xi’an hospital because they were from an area designated as higher risk. The post said the man’s father was having a heart attack but died by the time he was admitted for treatment.

In another account posted to social media, a woman in labour lost her baby after she was prevented from entering a Xi’an hospital. In a since-deleted post, a relative described calling emergency services on the night of 1 January for their aunt after she started feeling pain, but the phone rang out.

Instead they sent her to hospital at around 8pm but “the front door security wouldn’t let us in, because the nucleic acid test result had been more than four hours ago”, they said.

“While she was waiting outside, I saw the video her husband sent me, she was holding the chair, struggling to sit on it, and her blood streamed down the chair and her pants.” They said hospital staff saw and brought her inside and to the operating room, but the child died.


A spokeswoman for the state-linked Shaanxi women’s federation, said they had talked to authorities about the incident. “They should be learning about the incident now. Because the epidemic in Xi’an is quite serious now, there definitely should be a solution.”

Reports of food shortages in Xi’an have also flourished on social media despite promises by authorities to deliver supplies to homes, and claims of neighbours bartering cigarettes and personal belongings for food.

“I have only received free vegetables once so far, and one package per household,” said one resident. “The price of food in the city is very high, and there is no one to regulate it. There is no take-away service for daily necessities, and the errand fee is about 100 yuan ($15) before someone takes the order.”


The strict rules have also prevented people from coming and going. Sixth Tone reported authorities had arrested several people trying to evade the blockades and return to villages without quarantining, including a man who cycled 100km (60 miles) through mountains, and another who swam across an icy river.

Authorities have conceded there have been issues, including poorly prepared centralised quarantine facilities where tens of thousands of people have been sent.

Local officials are often punished or fired for alleged failures in outbreak prevention, including two senior Communist party officials in Xi’an who were removed from their posts over their “insufficient rigour in preventing and controlling the outbreak”.

On Monday, Xi’an officials said the city had spent about $1m on assisting people in need, and had housed about 200 stranded people in temporary shelters. They also promised to set up hotlines and further assistance services.

Xi’an is the centre of the current outbreak, China’s worst since the early months of the pandemic. More than 1,700 cases have been recorded in the city since early December – a relatively low number compared with global figures as China continues to implement the zero-Covid strategy which has kept infections at low levels for much of the past 18 months.

With the Olympics around the corner and a central government commitment vowing to stamp out the virus, local officials have enacted increasingly strict responses, resulting in lockdowns reminiscent of Wuhan’s in early 2020. Other urban hubs where clusters have been detected now also face restrictions including a new partial lockdown in the city of Zhengzhou over the discovery of four cases.

On Tuesday, China reported 41 new symptomatic community cases, including 35 in Xi’an. On Wednesday, officials said the city’s outbreak had been largely “brought under control” after the lockdown.

Ma Guanghui, deputy director of Shaanxi health commission, told a press conference the outbreak was “showing a downward trend”.

Additional reporting by Xiaoqian Zhu and agencies

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Daduzi posted:

So the comment was just yet more whatabboutism, cool.

Why would it matter? It's true and it's good China isn't allowing for much of that.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

BBC has been putting out articles about the quarantine at Xian and how residents are getting very worried about food shortages and trying to escape quarantine to buy food.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59824916
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59855689
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-59864266

Which honestly I'd say the idea of the government providing all the food directly to people's houses sounds pretty daunting and has lots of chances for people to fall through the cracks or the government to miscalculate.

karthun
Nov 16, 2006

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Smeef posted:

Does that stat have any basis in reality? (70% of Chinese millennials own a home (not rented, not owned by a bank)

Every Chinese millennial I know that owns an apartment was married and financed by 4 parents, 8 grandparents, and as many other extended relatives they could guilt into lending them money, too.

Plus they have a 20 or 70 year lease, not ownership.

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ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

karthun posted:

Plus they have a 20 or 70 year lease, not ownership.

the 70y lease is effectively perpetual now since a renewal is mandatorily granted upon request and a precedent has been set that this renewal is free; both China and Hong Kong have (separately) quietly surrendered the residential land lease system for privatization

Singapore is the only case which has meaningfully realized the long-term lease by taking back expired leases with no compensation and no tenant's option to extend

as socialisms go, sometimes it's not the countries you'd suspect to be really seeing land nationalization through as a concept

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