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iroc.dis
Mar 15, 2013

Ugly In The Morning posted:

No JPEG but had a safety guy from the higher ups come in and demand that someone in a… imagine a one man scissor lift, that’s close enough, tie off a fall ARREST, not restraint, system.

To the GUARDRAIL OF THE loving LIFT.

I wrote a gigantic email explaining OSHA and company fall protection standards and exactly why that is loving insane and way worse than just having someone in a goddamn scissor lift.

And at the heights they were working at there was basically zero protection from a fall arrest system, it might slow them down a bit but they were hitting the floor if they fell.

Do you mean something like this?



Those lifts have engineered anchor points just like any other aerial lift.

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Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

iroc.dis posted:

Do you mean something like this?



Those lifts have engineered anchor points just like any other aerial lift.

Nah, this:


Inside the basket is fine, has the upper/mod/toe board but there is no anchorage point. Even the one-man scissor lifts with a point to hook in on in the site have points for fall restraint, not fall arrest- they were rated for ~15 kN, way below the 22.2kN/5000 pound standard and they were below the safety factor of two for any kind of fall with the uh, large-sized maintenance people doing the work.

zedprime posted:

"But it gonna tip it" is a simple weight capacity review. I think it depends on the arrestor but its something like 3-5 times the weight of the worker is what will be experienced at the tie off point during the duration of the arrest with some safety factor built in if you are in a situation where you swing. I know common JSAs for working at height will specify the safety factor for tie offs to mobile equipment. Most equipment will rate for enough for a human to tie off knowing its a widely used practice but may leave you without weight for tools and parts. If your equipment varies capacity based on its configuration i.e. reduced due to extension or rotation and you're in a configuration that the arresting weight is out of capacity that's a gently caress up of its own.

I'm still kind of confused if the complaint is he's too strict or not strict enough or just confusingly in the middle. The words improvised and knots together with outside the basket are huge red flags but I'm also reading somehow an alternative is working inside the basket completely? To be clear on my preferences, in order of state of the art: tied off in the basket > in the basket > tied off to the basket working outside >>>>>>>>> somehow lanyarded to the basket with knots for some reason

So part of the problem is there was no JSA at all. So there was no review. And as you can see from the picture above, this is not a regular scissor lift but instead something that gets used when they have to poke something on an elevated (17’) conveyor with a stick. The maintenance employees training says both feet on the floor of any scissor lift unless you are tied off. So by half assing a knot to make them “more secure” he’s also making them think it’s ok to go off the floor. I feel like I’m making GBS threads the bed on explaining it a bit, I really just should quote the policy review I wrote the next time I have my work laptop handy.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Ugly In The Morning posted:

No JPEG but had a safety guy from the higher ups come in and demand that someone in a… imagine a one man scissor lift, that’s close enough, tie off a fall ARREST, not restraint, system.

To the GUARDRAIL OF THE loving LIFT.

I wrote a gigantic email explaining OSHA and company fall protection standards and exactly why that is loving insane and way worse than just having someone in a goddamn scissor lift.

And at the heights they were working at there was basically zero protection from a fall arrest system, it might slow them down a bit but they were hitting the floor if they fell.

This is the way it is at my company, we argue and argue but they insist on everyone in a scissor lift being harnessed and tied off. The lanyards are 16' long and none of our lifts even go that high, thanks for the trip hazard dudes.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

shame on an IGA posted:

This is the way it is at my company, we argue and argue but they insist on everyone in a scissor lift being harnessed and tied off. The lanyards are 16' long and none of our lifts even go that high, thanks for the trip hazard dudes.

I got the tie offs banned from anything without a proper anchorage point via a giant and thorough email that I’ll post in here on Monday if someone wants it/reminds me. I’m not opposed to fall restraint at all but doing a fall arrest system on an improper anchorage point is just psychotic levels of negligence- can you imagine the scenario if something goes wrong and you have a significant injury or a fatality? “Oh, we ignored the requirements for anchorage points because we wanted to double up” will go over like a fart in a car with an inspector. Creating a false sense of security is worse than doing nothing, since at least doing nothing doesn’t mess with anyone’s ideas of risk.

My job has zero permanent anchorage points so that there’s no inspections. There’s one scissor lift with four points but it doesn’t fit everywhere.

iroc.dis
Mar 15, 2013

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Nah, this:


Inside the basket is fine, has the upper/mod/toe board but there is no anchorage point. Even the one-man scissor lifts with a point to hook in on in the site have points for fall restraint, not fall arrest- they were rated for ~15 kN, way below the 22.2kN/5000 pound standard and they were below the safety factor of two for any kind of fall with the uh, large-sized maintenance people doing the work.

Huh, I haven't ever seen one of those before. The 1.5M sqft distribution warehouse my company works in just uses knuckle boom lifts for when their maintenance guys need to reach conveyors.

Its surprising that your corporate safety guy thinks its ok to tie off to guardrails. That's a pretty basic rule

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

iroc.dis posted:

Huh, I haven't ever seen one of those before. The 1.5M sqft distribution warehouse my company works in just uses knuckle boom lifts for when their maintenance guys need to reach conveyors.

Its surprising that your corporate safety guy thinks its ok to tie off to guardrails. That's a pretty basic rule

He is very good at some things- namely setting up a safety team to have a good workflow in terms of making sure all reports are thoroughly completed every day. That’s valuable!

He should not be making safety decisions on the floor, though.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
I forgot those things existed. You need to be a saint to stay out of trouble in those if you're doing anything that breeds familiarity more than replacing the overhead lights every decade.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

zedprime posted:

I forgot those things existed. You need to be a saint to stay out of trouble in those if you're doing anything that breeds familiarity more than replacing the overhead lights every decade.

I hate them but with a few design tweaks (first and foremost a proper enclosure) I would love them to death for some stuff.

Really there’s not much wrong with them a fall restraint system can’t fix but none of them are set up for fall restraint/positioning out of the box.

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Asehujiko posted:

Yes, this is pretty much what happens, the video caption isn't lying when it says it's a ferris wheel made out of water slide parts, it's not intended as a high intensity ride.

But I thought the whole point of a ferris wheel.was to get a wonderful view while making out and/or getting a handy. Doesn't seem like you'll be doing much of any of that in this thing.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


https://i.imgur.com/RYrwpu0.mp4

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/X7Umfwv.mp4
:catstare:

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids


https://i.imgur.com/G41SBEy.mp4

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




sigher posted:

But I thought the whole point of a ferris wheel.was to get a wonderful view while making out and/or getting a handy. Doesn't seem like you'll be doing much of any of that in this thing.

What you don't like water sports?

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/bnL1g6R.gifv

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Imagine take two when things go south

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
Water flowing onto an apartment building's circuit breaker in France: https://v.redd.it/ygj2qnlbi9981

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

What is that a tuning fork?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

wesleywillis posted:

What is that a tuning fork?

Seems like it, but there's no soun :(

FUCK SNEEP
Apr 21, 2007




yeah a tuning fork feels weird as hell if you press it against your body when it's vibin

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

I think she liked it

https://i.imgur.com/7cPq946.mp4

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Discovery Channel brought back Dirty Jobs, so I can't wait to see what OSHA content they find.

Maybe Mike Rowe will drown in pig poo poo.

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde

ahh the stupid things you do when girls are watching

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem

Cthulu Carl posted:

Maybe Mike Rowe will drown in pig poo poo.

a girl can dream

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



is discovery channel chud now?

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

KoRMaK posted:

is discovery channel chud now?

What do you mean "Now"? At least as far back as they hey day of American Chopper.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Discovery channel is now the occupation channel, about jobs no one wants to work, and also Josh Gates, who seems fine. Treasure hunting is a dream for all people.

Remember when they had the show about an incestuous gun shop without a license to sell guns?

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Discovery channel is now the occupation channel, about jobs no one wants to work, and also Josh Gates, who seems fine. Treasure hunting is a dream for all people.

Remember when they had the show about an incestuous gun shop without a license to sell guns?

Josh Gates has spent his career travelling the world, taking in the folklore and local customs of many cultures and is a treasure in and of himself.

In his book he wrote during his Destination Truth Syfy days, he's got a story about how they were hanging out on a rainy evening in a Thai bar and he spotted some sex workers playing a dice game he'd never seen before. So he went over and played this game with them for the rest of the night, then the next day went out about bought locally made versions of it as Christmas presents for his family.

His dad recognized it as Shut the Box.

This man had a show hunting fake ghosts and cryptids and his big pieces of advice were to learn from other cultures and also don't wear jeans.

DrPossum
May 15, 2004

i am not a surgeon
I remember when the learning channel was about learning and they played shows about math and physics and James Burke

I remember when the discovery channel had Beyond 2000 and that was awesome

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Monster Garage was pretty fun, despite Jesse James and a rotating cast of SoCal dipshits. That show really heralded Discovery's descent into lowest-comon-denominator content though.

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.

KoRMaK posted:

is discovery channel chud now?
I don't know that the channel is CHUD but Mike Rowe is. "Safety Third" and all that.
https://www.mikeroweworks.org/sweat/

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

DrPossum posted:

I remember when the learning channel was about learning and they played shows about math and physics and James Burke

I remember when the discovery channel had Beyond 2000 and that was awesome

Beyond 2000 owned and I remember when I was 12 during a party or something I turned it on, explaining to my relatives that it is a really cool show and it immediately went to the woman host spending 10 minutes explaining the new female condom and how it is used. The whole family watched in silence for a few minutes until my horrified aunt incredulously asked my parents what the hell kind of shows they let me watch.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Cthulu Carl posted:

Josh Gates has spent his career travelling the world, taking in the folklore and local customs of many cultures and is a treasure in and of himself.

In his book he wrote during his Destination Truth Syfy days, he's got a story about how they were hanging out on a rainy evening in a Thai bar and he spotted some sex workers playing a dice game he'd never seen before. So he went over and played this game with them for the rest of the night, then the next day went out about bought locally made versions of it as Christmas presents for his family.

His dad recognized it as Shut the Box.

This man had a show hunting fake ghosts and cryptids and his big pieces of advice were to learn from other cultures and also don't wear jeans.

yea Josh Gates is shockingly cool considering how full of wads the 'professional cryptid/legend hunter' world is, especially when you add in 'exotic' cultures being often treated as spooky backdrops more than actual human beings with their own legends and history and all. He actually treats others with respect and very earnestly seems to be enjoying 'yea I'm gonna go around, get wasted with randos, and year local legends and then I dunno maybe we'll gently caress around in the woods and see if some spooky poo poo happens?'

He's some real life goals for us oafish fans of cryptozoology and all

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

sexpig by night posted:

yea Josh Gates is shockingly cool considering how full of wads the 'professional cryptid/legend hunter' world is, especially when you add in 'exotic' cultures being often treated as spooky backdrops more than actual human beings with their own legends and history and all. He actually treats others with respect and very earnestly seems to be enjoying 'yea I'm gonna go around, get wasted with randos, and year local legends and then I dunno maybe we'll gently caress around in the woods and see if some spooky poo poo happens?'

He's some real life goals for us oafish fans of cryptozoology and all

Homeboy lived the dream. Got to be a goofy rear end on Syfy's dime, then turned that into a show for Discovery where he gets to be the same goofy rear end but this time looking for real poo poo that actually gets found sometimes (the episodes on 'The Secret' treasure hunt are amazing), then when COVID hits, he got to have a NEW show where he's a goofy rear end nerding out with celebrities over Zoom.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Expedition X is pretty weak sauce. It's mostly "his" crew off doing poo poo discovery has laid out for them and he just plays narrator.

Which is fine. I just found it far more boring than the average ghost/cryptid show. And I love Ghost Adventures for some dumb reason, so if they can't be as entertaining as Zak and Co, they should move on to another show.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Expedition X is pretty weak sauce. It's mostly "his" crew off doing poo poo discovery has laid out for them and he just plays narrator.

Which is fine. I just found it far more boring than the average ghost/cryptid show. And I love Ghost Adventures for some dumb reason, so if they can't be as entertaining as Zak and Co, they should move on to another show.

There's been a few episodes where he joined them, but with Expedition X going on alongside Expedition Unknown, I don't blame him for playing the "boss" in X and only popping in occasionally. He did his time with cryptid and ghosts, now he can look for Yamashita's gold or Sulieman the Magnificent's heart.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I must have missed the episodes where he played an Angel instead of just Charlie.

I just don't care for the other personalities, or their scripting, which is probably the real problem.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

I must have missed the episodes where he played an Angel instead of just Charlie.

I just don't care for the other personalities, or their scripting, which is probably the real problem.

It's the Beast of Bray Road two-parter.

To bring it back to OSHA content, here's Josh and The Gang almost dying multiple times looking for El Dorado: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iR1IgJa1As

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


Cthulu Carl posted:

and also don't wear jeans.

OK, what's wrong with jeans?

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Curse Of Oak Island is FULL of OSHA poo poo. I enjoy watching the career progression of Billy though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1UZdLVlBXg

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