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Are darkfriends even going to be a thing in the 4th age? The Dark One is cut off from the world again and can't promise anything new or deliver on any previous promises anymore. You might still have existing darkfriends trying to somehow free him again, maybe, but there's nothing to entice new ones and they'd all but die off in a generation. What would even a reformed Whitecloak org even do in the 4th age other than find "darkfriends" where none exist to continue to justify their existance.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:04
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Yeah I figure the wheel has to turn a bunch again until someone wants to “drill for power into this weird bore thingy”
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Jan 2, 2022 22:07
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Nitrousoxide posted:Are darkfriends even going to be a thing in the 4th age? The Dark One is cut off from the world again and can't promise anything new or deliver on any previous promises anymore. You might still have existing darkfriends trying to somehow free him again, maybe, but there's nothing to entice new ones and they'd all but die off in a generation. My book read was years ago but didn't shadar logoth serve as an example of evil that can sort of spontaneously come about? If that sort of thing can happen again in the new age, then maybe white cloaks could find a purpose in fighting against stuff like that, I don't know. Human nature being what it is, it's probably more likely that they just turn into some sort of weird Inquisition with even less of a pretext for existence than they used to have.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:10
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The poor darkfriends will probably just transition into/back into a life of crime, with the rich ones will just pretend they were on the right side all along, and continue to be the rich assholes they probably always were. Whitecloaks never actually were looking for real darkfriends, it was an impossible task, unless you happened to be riding by someone's farm and see they high-fiving a fade or some poo poo.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:12
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:My book read was years ago but didn't shadar logoth serve as an example of evil that can sort of spontaneously come about? If that sort of thing can happen again in the new age, then maybe white cloaks could find a purpose in fighting against stuff like that, I don't know. I think Shadar Logoth was the Wheel's backup girl in case Rand decided to kill The Dark One so that there could be an evil to counterbalance good. Once it got personified into Padan Fain he became the new side girl and the Wheel just needed to keep him around as the backup evil until Rand decided to re-seal The Dark One rather than destroying it.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:14
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Honestly that's pretty on target I also thought the books were so horny, with the blackfriends trying to sleep with Rand and successfully sleeping with Mat. Turns out horny was only limited to slapping bottoms and crossing bosoms.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:20
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I'm definitely storing "fighting sand wars with his family of ninjas" away in my one-liner cache
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Jan 2, 2022 22:50
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Listen Galad knowingly joined the KKK while coming from a black family but he also got them to stop openly lynching people, so who are you to judge him? Meanwhile, have you considered that Faile has a boring plotline?
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Jan 2, 2022 22:58
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Hollismason posted:Also if anything the Aes Sedai are left in a worse situation at the end of the books where Cadsuane is going to be the Amyrillin Seat. Cadsuane is loving insufferable. Her plan with Rand hilariously backfired with Rand almost tipping over to the Shadow completely. This is why I want Dolores umbragesuane. It is a fantastic match.
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Jan 2, 2022 23:19
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So I love Verin but giving such an important letter to Mat of all people was a really dumb move haha. Surely there had to be a better way to warn of the trolloc invasion.
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theblackw0lf posted:So I love Verin but giving such an important letter to Mat of all people was a really dumb move haha. It actually makes sense because Verin couldn't do something to betray the Shadow, so she did it in a way that she "could be betraying the shadow "but not really because it was totally random. If she had just told Mat that would have betrayed her vows but she did it in such a way as to keep with her vows. It didn't really matter though.
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Nitrousoxide posted:find "darkfriends" where none exist to continue to justify their existance. That didn't stop them in the 3rd age.
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TFOH: Forgot the reason the Whitecloaks and Dragonsworn rioted in Samara is because Nyneave asked both Uno and Galad to find her a ship, and they found the same one.
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Ungratek posted:TFOH: Forgot the reason the Whitecloaks and Dragonsworn rioted in Samara is because Nyneave asked both Uno and Galad to find her a ship, and they found the same one. Her inner thought about not considering what might happen if she pointed two madmen at the same target is just perfect.
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Harton posted:Yeah I figure the wheel has to turn a bunch again until someone wants to “drill for power into this weird bore thingy” 6 ages. It's opened towards the end of the 2nd age, patched, then sealed correctly at the end of the 3rd age. Somewhere in between the 4th and 2nd ages, magic is lost, our age comes and goes, and magic is rediscovered before it's used to punch a hole in that almost perfectly sealed bore again.
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Jan 3, 2022 02:24
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Since we know the Creator sealed the Dark One, Rand is the Creator.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Since we know the Creator sealed the Dark One, Rand is the Creator. We know that just as much as we know the Creator sealed the forsaken in, at the moment of creation.
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Jan 3, 2022 02:27
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The 3rd Age was only 3,000 years, with most of our characters living into the 4th. I always wondered if he counted the Stone/Ice/Bronze/etc Ages as each their own. Since the story ended up being all about living another time and doing better I never took the 7th Age/1st Age as some heat death/big bang. Just another collapse like the AOL somewhere in like Age 5 or 6.
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Then there's the, um, other theories. https://library.tarvalon.net/index.php?title=Ages_of_the_Wheel_Theory
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Barreft posted:The 3rd Age was only 3,000 years, with most of our characters living into the 4th. I always wondered if he counted the Stone/Ice/Bronze/etc Ages as each their own. Since the story ended up being all about living another time and doing better I never took the 7th Age/1st Age as some heat death/big bang. Just another collapse like the AOL somewhere in like Age 5 or 6. We know there was a time when men and wolves hunted together, which probably precedes the 2nd age at least. And we know that our present time also took place, with references to landing on the moon. Those probably represent at least two ages there. I imagine that wolf time would be pre-history for us, then us, then the age of legands, then the time the books take place, then the 4th age (as referenced in the various historians talking about the 3rd age at the ends of the books) then who knows what. Of course calling things "the 3rd age" or "the 4th age" isn't really right either since there are no beginnings in the wheel.
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silvergoose posted:Then there's the, um, other theories. that thing posted:This Age ends perhaps as late as 33 AD, with the death of the last channeler, Jesus. lmao I do think the idea that "the real world" being the seventh age makes sense, though
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CainsDescendant posted:lmao Yeah I don't mind the overall conclusion of the page, but lmao that line stuck out to me too.
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I liked the take on Jesus
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i've started reading book 12, and sanderson is retroactively making me appreciate jordan's prose a lot more.
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silvergoose posted:Then there's the, um, other theories. The timeline I think about from our world is how we remember the tale of Sodom destroyed by god's wrath compared to finding a bronze age city that was destroyed by a meteor air burst 3600 years ago. There's at least 2 ages (ours and AoL) that do scientific exploration and archeology, so there has to be enough time and disruption between those that we're not finding AoL cities under 2ft of dirt. That timeline of ages lasting 1700 or 300 years is just too short, roughly 3000+ years per an age makes way more sense in keeping them distinct and far enough apart to forget everything, even when we're looking for the past. Edit: with probably one long primitive age after humans really gently caress things up more than usual. jetz0r fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 3, 2022 |
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Hey remember when Moiraine almost got drugged but then made then innkeeper drink the wine and then she passed out and Moiraine left her to be raped/abused? The books are pretty full of bad takes on morals/ethics/justice.
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Stuff like the breaking of the world would absolutely trash paleontology and geology unless they also have billions of years to repeat the time before humans.
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exmarx posted:i've started reading book 12, and sanderson is retroactively making me appreciate jordan's prose a lot more. Keep in mind almost all of Egwene is Jordan.
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AlternateAccount posted:Hey remember when Moiraine almost got drugged but then made then innkeeper drink the wine and then she passed out and Moiraine left her to be raped/abused? Wait what?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Stuff like the breaking of the world would absolutely trash paleontology and geology unless they also have billions of years to repeat the time before humans. Yeah, but there needs to be another one between the 3rd age and our age, so we're not finding ancient cities on the top of mountains.
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Yeah, Dragonmount alone would be a completely out of context problem. Mountains do not naturally form solo with hundreds of miles of relatively flat plains surrounding them.
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No one said the ages need to be the same length!
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Zore posted:Yeah, Dragonmount alone would be a completely out of context problem. Mountains do not naturally form solo with hundreds of miles of relatively flat plains surrounding them. Oh I'm sure someone in the 4th age flattened it just because.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:No one said the ages need to be the same length! That's what we're chatting about! It's all in good fun
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:No one said the ages need to be the same length! There need to be humans in each age for legends and myth to survive an entire turning of the wheel though. You can't have an age of dinosaurs with no humans because that breaks the ability for those legends to make it all the way around the wheel.
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The best part is Jordan was way into his cosmology, so he either had these Ages down in his mind, or he didn't and just went with "It's just fantasy dumbass" like with other parts he was asked. It's too loving bad he died so young.
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Nitrousoxide posted:There need to be humans in each age for legends and myth to survive an entire turning of the wheel though. You can't have an age of dinosaurs with no humans because that breaks the ability for those legends to make it all the way around the wheel. Dinosaurs are the creator and dark one go on holiday and Ish convinces everyone else to stay in TAR while he gets some solitude in, but LTT can't resist pranking him and sends whichever forsaken made trollocs/fades along with birds....
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