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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Doesn't valve have a 'parallel working environment' where there are no managers, just a bunch of rudderless cliques being carried by the dota/csgo devs, and of course the steam team i think we're so far beyond the point where reporting about that maybe being the case first came out that i don't know if anyone has any remote clue as to what the hell happens at valve anymore maybe nothing even exists in the valve building. maybe it exists entirely as a tax shelter and we have collectively hallucinated steam for a couple decades and some change
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Johnny Joestar posted:i i don't know if anyone has any remote clue as to what the hell happens at valve anymore you ever see Scrooge mcduck
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haveblue posted:Live service games are now effectively episodic games, they just come out as patches instead of new executables Telltale went horribly bankrupt mid development.
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Johnny Joestar posted:maybe nothing even exists in the valve building. maybe it exists entirely as a tax shelter and we have collectively hallucinated steam for a couple decades and some change That right there is Valve. Now let's talk about Valve. Can we talk about Valve, please? I've been dying to talk about Valve with people all day. Okay? "Gaben", this name keeps coming up over and over again. Every day, somebody's talking about "Gaben". Gaben! Gaben! I look at the news, and it's full of Gaben! So I say to myself, "I gotta find this guy. I gotta go up to Seattle and ask him about Half-Life 3! Otherwise, how's he gonna know that people want to know about Half-Life 3?" So I go out to Seattle and I knock on Valve's door and what do I find out? What do I find out? There is no Gaben. The man does not exist, okay? So I decide, "Oh poo poo, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no Gaben? You gotta be kidding me! The news is full of Gaben! All right. So I start marchin' my way down to Valve HR and I knock on their door and I say, "Carol! Carol! I gotta talk to you about Gaben!" And when I open the door, what do I find? There's not a single goddamned desk in that office! There...is...no...Carol in HR. People, Gaben's been made up! Valve is a goddamned ghost town!
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I was playing Alyx again today, I can only do VR for an hour or two tops but it’s absolutely incredible and one of the coolest things I’ve ever played. It’s literal decades ahead of other games.
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MJBuddy posted:Telltale went horribly bankrupt mid development. Sure, while working on their 13th episodic game, six years after adopting that model. They overextended themselves and made dumb decisions but it wasn't inevitable and several of those episodic games are very well regarded
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BattleMaster posted:Yeah it seemed like every single company went wild for it at the same time and every single company failed to actually put out anything complete or satisfying or well-priced with the concept. I mean the Strong Bad game was pretty good Zedsdeadbaby posted:Doesn't valve have a 'parallel working environment' where there are no managers, just a bunch of rudderless cliques being carried by the dota/csgo devs, and of course the steam team Pretty much, it's the dumbest thing imaginable
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I was playing Alyx again today, I can only do VR for an hour or two tops but it’s absolutely incredible and one of the coolest things I’ve ever played. It’s literal decades ahead of other games. It’s cool but I honestly preferred RE4 VR as a VR game.
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SeANMcBAY posted:It’s cool but I honestly preferred RE4 VR as a VR game. Haven’t played it but it looks amazing. RE4 is in my top…3 games ever so I’d love to try it.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Haven’t played it but it looks amazing. RE4 is in my top…3 games ever so I’d love to try it. I've heard nothing but amazing things about it. It'll definitely be my first VR purchase. I'm the same as you; RE4 is definitely among my favourite games of all time.
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haveblue posted:Sure, while working on their 13th episodic game, six years after adopting that model. They overextended themselves and made dumb decisions but it wasn't inevitable and several of those episodic games are very well regarded It pretty much was inevitable, their game design wore out quickly and interested waned because of that.
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Johnny Joestar posted:maybe nothing even exists in the valve building. Something real weird would have to happen to get valve to release a new big game, it doesn't feel like the market encourages them to do so. If they'd been doing yearly releases then it would, but no one expects it, so it would be an uphill climb from here anyway.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Doesn't valve have a 'parallel working environment' where there are no managers, just a bunch of rudderless cliques being carried by the dota/csgo devs, and of course the steam team Sounds a dream job to me.
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Probably frustrating if you come in hoping to work on projects that actually ship. Lots of creative roles won’t let you use any work that isn’t released on your CV so it can be hard showing past work to prospective employers.
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when former valve people have talked about the culture it's been along the lines of "officially nobody is the boss but everyone knows the old guard are the bosses and you're getting fired in short order if you don't make them happy" so it's the worst of both worlds, where your boss is only your boss when it's convenient for them (to push you around) and not when it makes work for them
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I'm sure Valve employees were making yet another trading card game because they were really passionate about it.
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It’s a miracle Alyx both: Shipped and Is amazing
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repiv posted:when former valve people have talked about the culture it's been along the lines of "officially nobody is the boss but everyone knows the old guard are the bosses and you're getting fired in short order if you don't make them happy" other than gabe is anyone even around that counts as old guard anymore
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haveblue posted:Sure, while working on their 13th episodic game, six years after adopting that model. They overextended themselves and made dumb decisions but it wasn't inevitable and several of those episodic games are very well regarded My understanding from the articles around the time of their bankruptcy is they were using the new deals to pay off the labor of the old ones and get them finished. Hence why they had incomplete titles that were supposed to be funded titles. I adored the Telltale games. This isn't a commentary on their writers and their stories, but I don't think their business model is likely to be one that people would want to emulate, and that's sad because they hired a ton of narrative designers and were held up highly as a model that valued those roles highly.
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site posted:other than gabe is anyone even around that counts as old guard anymore
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I’d love to know what they do all day. I want that job.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Doesn't valve have a 'parallel working environment' where there are no managers, just a bunch of rudderless cliques being carried by the dota/csgo devs, and of course the steam team SOunds pretty badass. Death to the PMC!
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The Kins posted:There's still a bunch of dudes from the Half-Life 1 days, IIRC. I know Robin Walker and Dario Casali were handling a bunch of the press interviews for Alyx. Unrelated but apparently Dario's mom is the creator of that comic strip about two naked eight year olds who are married.
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MJBuddy posted:My understanding from the articles around the time of their bankruptcy is they were using the new deals to pay off the labor of the old ones and get them finished. Hence why they had incomplete titles that were supposed to be funded titles. Yeah, this is my memory as well. Only I think Walking Dead season 1?2? And Minecraft (?) made back the money, the rest were basically taking the upfront sales to support the next but at the end forever in the red.
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The thing about Telltale's episodic games is that they actually were episodic, and it was a genre that was a pretty good fit for that paradigm -- a genre that was basically dead before, but they managed to resurrect it, so they definitely did something right. They chose the most story-centric genre and combined it with a delivery method that had a proven track record elsewhere. It didn't work nearly as well when applied to a more gameplay-focused genre (where the progression is more defined by accumulation and increasing complexity which frustratingly gets reset after each episode), and done in a way that felt less like complete chapters and more like just shorter, unfinished versions of a bigger thing.
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I think the point being made is it also didn't work for Telltale for the most part as it was financially ruinous. The new model is to release the complete title and if you want episodes, make them sub segments of the finished, complete, game.
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https://twitter.com/defilerphil47/status/1477142589811957761/photo/1 i wonder if this guy tweaked the barrel so he can fire loving sideways like the doom 3 shotgun
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Barudak posted:I think the point being made is it also didn't work for Telltale for the most part as it was financially ruinous. The new model is to release the complete title and if you want episodes, make them sub segments of the finished, complete, game. I would say the folks at Dontnod seem to be a little more stable making episodic narrative games, so maybe there's a path to success.
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the existence of team tnt (made tnt evilution and a bunch of other doom stuff) and tnt team (made some Build mods and 'Nam) is very confusing as far as I can tell these are not the same people but it's fuckin weird there's two almost exactly the same named prominent modding groups, one for each side of the big fps 2.5D engine split
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MJBuddy posted:I would say the folks at Dontnod seem to be a little more stable making episodic narrative games, so maybe there's a path to success. Even Dontnod has been scaling back the number of "episodes" their games contain from 5->3 in addition to full singleplayer complete titles
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Baron von Eevl posted:Unrelated but apparently Dario's mom is the creator of that comic strip about two naked eight year olds who are married. Holy poo poo. At least half of the Plutonia Experiment wouldn't exist if she hadn't ignored the moral implications of artificial insemination following the death of the partner. Dario might have worked on some of the best games ever made but Milo's a loving miracle baby Also they turned the comic into a wii game i guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma2XeLQgPAo
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treat posted:Holy poo poo. At least half of the Plutonia Experiment wouldn't exist if she hadn't ignored the moral implications of artificial insemination following the death of the partner. Dario might have worked on some of the best games ever made but Milo's a loving miracle baby Reading this is what I imagine a stroke feels like E: not that your writing is bad, but I'm immediately and suddenly confused and I recognize many of not all of these words but nothing makes sense
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MJBuddy posted:I would say the folks at Dontnod seem to be a little more stable making episodic narrative games, so maybe there's a path to success. i don't think they ever really did it by choice. they've been pretty frank in interviews that they had to shop LiS around a lot to find a publisher, most people thought a game with female leads was dead weight and wanted them (or at least max) changed to boys. the publisher they ended up with was like 60% supportive of the female leads but the episodic thing for life is strange was bet hedging.
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https://twitter.com/sunset_city_rpg/status/1477468508086849537 This looking neato.
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MJBuddy posted:Reading this is what I imagine a stroke feels like I went down a rabbit hole googling poo poo and might have left out some important context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Casali The story behind that "Love Is" comic is really sweet and incredibly tragic with Milo Casali being born 16 months after his father died and the religious right & Vatican making a stink over the morality of it. Milo was a member of Team TNT and created Plutonia with his brother Dario Casali, who worked on Half-Life and still works at Valve today. Both their names on wikipedia just link to the page for Final Doom. If those naked 8 year old's hadn't been married, Plutonia wouldn't exist and the subsequent history of Doom mapping would probably look a lot different today without it's influence.
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I know I and some other in the thread have lamented that there wasn’t a sourceport for the Sith Engine. Well turns out there’s an in progress engine recreation and it’s in a very workable state. Let me introduce you to OpenJKDF2. I’ve made it to level 8 without any major bugs. The only time it’s crashes was when I tried to activate Max a second time in Barons Hed. As a side note this is first time I’ve actually seen Max in one of my playthroughs despite knowing about it for roughly 20 years. Even in an alpha state it runs far better than I’ve seen it run since Windows 98, surpassing the Gog version. It’s also been made to work in WebAssembly so you can play one of the demo missions in your browser. Works pretty well too, which is just amazing to me.
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