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Sinteres posted:Tbh they should have just patched exp into Eureka since 61-70 doesn't have trusts so it's kind of a dead zone in leveling for people who use them and command missions to level. Yeah if the majority of my classes weren't already past that point this would've 100% made me play more eureka Roulettes are cool and all but sometimes I don't want to/can't commit to being a competent party member and would rather mindlessly grind fates or whatever it is you grind in eureka
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What I'm getting is that people who hated Eureka are absolutely terrified of interacting with another human being because yeah the experience even live was "join a NM train, rake in the xp and profit". It was exactly as brainless as Bozja. Bozja has better overall gameplay for the moment to moment but the highs were way higher in Eureka.
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Dryzen posted:Eureka is a ftw community experience that has good aspects of it that we might not see much again because both it and bozja brought a strong showing of people who are so hesitant to do group stuff with any amount of risk vs reward that they won’t even zone in to it with actually ridiculously huge echo, ignoring the droves of people who are just all in on the most exp they can get right now Right now after the nerfs and boosted echo and exp gain you don't even need to do anything besides NMs with other people...It's so painless. Chain mobs for a billion xp every 30 chain and you're getting thru each zone insanely fast.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:07
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In YE OLDE DAYS of Eureka when you couldn't mount up until you finished the zone people would fall all loving over themselves on Primal to offer ride on multiseater mounts to lowbies who were joining the NM train. It was great.
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When did Eureka get echo, and what is this cloak? I kind of want to go back to it at some point cause of TT stuff and general completion brain, but it always feels like such a commitment. I'd love to just quickly knock out some challenge log when I have down time, but the "enemies on level" clause makes it a hassle when I tried it in the past. Vitamean posted:one of the first things I did after completing my drk physeos weapon was go into pagos and solo down the dragons that give you so much grief when you're leveling. that's how I got to feel powerful in Eureka, and why this Captain Oblivious posted:What I'm getting is that people who hated Eureka are absolutely terrified of interacting with another human being because yeah the experience even live was "join a NM train, rake in the xp and profit". It was exactly as brainless as Bozja.
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Captain Oblivious posted:What I'm getting is that people who hated Eureka are absolutely terrified of interacting with another human being because yeah the experience even live was "join a NM train, rake in the xp and profit". It was exactly as brainless as Bozja. that's assuming there are people in my level range who are actively playing eureka, which there were not when I last tried. Also this is pretty condescending!
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Jan 3, 2022 23:19
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Hot take: I’ve never seen a WHM weapon I liked. 89EX’s is just sad.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:20
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So for anyone looking to cap culinarian desynth for, uh, reasons? There's a new fish introduced with Endwalker, righteye flounder, that is dirt cheap on the MB atm and will take you all the way to 580 really easily.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:25
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Pollyanna posted:Hot take: I’ve never seen a WHM weapon I liked. 89EX’s is just sad. The Tsukuyomi crafted weapon has a pretty good look imo and is pretty easily available
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Leraika posted:that's assuming there are people in my level range who are actively playing eureka, which there were not when I last tried. Also this is pretty condescending! You do not need to group up at all outside NMs in Eureka now. Echo + boosted exp lets you just chain mob level easily and quickly. The level range thing does suck, I agree entirely, but it doesn't matter for NMs really.
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Here's a dumb meme about the Level 83 Trial. The image itself isn't a spoiler, but there are are some voice clips. https://twitter.com/fittingxivsongs/status/1478096519362494465
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Captain Oblivious posted:What I'm getting is that people who hated Eureka are absolutely terrified of interacting with another human being because yeah the experience even live was "join a NM train, rake in the xp and profit". It was exactly as brainless as Bozja. What? This is dumb as gently caress. Eureka sucks rear end because you either grind trash in some corner of the world which is the most boring thing to do on the planet, or you afk in town until an NM spawn and then go and kill the NM but the Eureka NM's have almost no mechanics to them for the most part. Bozja skirmish bosses require more effort on average. It was braindead content where the most fun thing to be doing at any time was literally anything else on a 2nd monitor as you sat afk for long stretches of time. Or maybe did some bunny fates if you were in a zone that had them. Playing not_MGS trying to get to a chest is about the only actually fun thing in the entire zone outside of maybe BA which I haven't done so no comment. But even then it sucked until you got the aetherytes and mount access
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Also "just chain mobs 5head" assumes that one can kill things in a reasonable timeframe. Last time I bothered, I went on Red Mage (no idea if that was dumb or not but I figured something with healing made sense) and TTKs were in the 30+ second range for same-elevel targets - and yes, I was dicking around with the wheel to make it correct for offense.
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Jan 3, 2022 23:35
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:Here's a dumb meme about the Level 83 Trial. The image itself isn't a spoiler, but there are are some voice clips. Realizing that raid mechanics are all just Mario Party minigames is perhaps a more devastating revelation than the one about zone music
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Kyrosiris posted:Also "just chain mobs 5head" assumes that one can kill things in a reasonable timeframe. Last time I bothered, I went on Red Mage (no idea if that was dumb or not but I figured something with healing made sense) and TTKs were in the 30+ second range for same-elevel targets - and yes, I was dicking around with the wheel to make it correct for offense. The only piece of Eureka gear I had was an Osode and I could aoe down 5-6 mobs as a melee dps everytime my bloodbath was off cooldown, and this was fighting mobs 1 level higher than me (which gives you significantly more xp) I've seen tons of RDMs recently and they nuke down mobs pretty fast too so I dunno what to tell you. If this was pre echo, maybe but that's definitely not the case now.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The only piece of Eureka gear I had was an Osode I have no idea what the gently caress that is, because no one explains poo poo about Eureka, just smugly condescends to everyone about it.
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As was explained to me in this thread when I was getting into Eureka, it's an armour you can buy on the marketboard that gives you +2 elemental levels, making you significantly stronger inside Eureka. Like, absurdly stronger. Casters use a Vermillion Cloak of Casting. Buy one for your role and use it inside and you'll have no trouble grinding.
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Kyrosiris posted:I have no idea what the gently caress that is, because no one explains poo poo about Eureka, just smugly condescends to everyone about it. There is a vendor standing on the pier near where you go into Eureka where you can trade some tokens for a piece of chest armor (or chest + head for casters). It's two cryptic seals for a Kirin's Osode (for tanks/physical DPS) or three damascene cloth for a robe (for healers/magic DPS). You can buy those for a somewhat high price on the market board, usually a couple hundred thousand gil each. This is a great thing to have because it gives you bonus Eureka stats, thus making it a lot easier and faster to fight enemies solo, when you're first starting out in a zone.
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Pollyanna posted:Hot take: I’ve never seen a WHM weapon I liked. 89EX’s is just sad. Relevant to current conversation, the penultimate Eureka WHM weapon (Rose Couverte) is great and I use it in every glamour. It even has a really nice, subtle light-up effect.  
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Countblanc posted:Relevant to current conversation, the penultimate Eureka WHM weapon (Rose Couverte) is great and I use it in every glamour. It even has a really nice, subtle light-up effect. I've always liked the Lost Allagan Cane. 
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Begemot posted:There is a vendor standing on the pier near where you go into Eureka where you can trade some tokens for a piece of chest armor (or chest + head for casters). It's two cryptic seals for a Kirin's Osode (for tanks/physical DPS) or three damascene cloth for a robe (for healers/magic DPS). You can buy those for a somewhat high price on the market board, usually a couple hundred thousand gil each. That would've been useful knowledge to know the last three times I tried, considering the cloth are sub-100k on Sarg, according to Universalis. 
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On the subject of Eureka: the antiquated gear you get from the level 70 class-quest coffers is intended to be upgraded in Eureka, right? Is there any reason to hold onto it besides glams, and can it be recovered from a salvager if I get rid of it? I can't see myself doing Eureka any time soon (too much MSQ to get through, among other things), and I'd like to clear inventory space, but obviously I don't want to ditch anything irreplaceable.
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Antivehicular posted:On the subject of Eureka: the antiquated gear you get from the level 70 class-quest coffers is intended to be upgraded in Eureka, right? Is there any reason to hold onto it besides glams, and can it be recovered from a salvager if I get rid of it? I can't see myself doing Eureka any time soon (too much MSQ to get through, among other things), and I'd like to clear inventory space, but obviously I don't want to ditch anything irreplaceable. You can get it from the salvager. The only relevant upgrade in Eureka is making it dyeable, so if you don't like the look of the gear you can just toss it.
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Antivehicular posted:On the subject of Eureka: the antiquated gear you get from the level 70 class-quest coffers is intended to be upgraded in Eureka, right? Is there any reason to hold onto it besides glams, and can it be recovered from a salvager if I get rid of it? I can't see myself doing Eureka any time soon (too much MSQ to get through, among other things), and I'd like to clear inventory space, but obviously I don't want to ditch anything irreplaceable. I can be recovered through a salvager. It's glam only at this point.
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Kyrosiris posted:I have no idea what the gently caress that is, because no one explains poo poo about Eureka, just smugly condescends to everyone about it. Yeah, the Kirin's Osode and Verm Cloak you can buy amp the poo poo out of your stats. The reason why the Verm cloak is a little more expensive is because it also takes up the head slot and gives a lot more stats accordingly. They're both the strongest possible gear you can get in Eureka for their gear slots and effectively make you 2-3 levels higher than you actually are. The Pazuzu thing you got harassed over btw is basically that the big important world bosses (Pazuzu, Louhi, Penthesilea, Provenance Watcher) drop a token that you can use to upgrade your relic weapon, but you can only get the drop at max elemental level for the zone you're in. The other thing I didn't know about the Magia board until way later is that there's diminishing returns on alignment. Stacking 4 or 5 magia into a single element gives you significantly less of a benefit than stacking three into the offensive one and two into the defensive one.
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Oh huh, is optimal really 3/2? When I did BA people told me to go 4/1 instead.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Oh huh, is optimal really 3/2? When I did BA people told me to go 4/1 instead. Yeah I guess if you're not tanking or doing a big trash pull by yourself it's probably worth to get the diminished fourth offense level over the full-strength second defense level. The fifth magia is really heavily reduced even compared to the fourth though.
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Antivehicular posted:On the subject of Eureka: the antiquated gear you get from the level 70 class-quest coffers is intended to be upgraded in Eureka, right? Is there any reason to hold onto it besides glams, and can it be recovered from a salvager if I get rid of it? I can't see myself doing Eureka any time soon (too much MSQ to get through, among other things), and I'd like to clear inventory space, but obviously I don't want to ditch anything irreplaceable.  It can be bought from a Calamity Salvager most likely. Chillgamesh posted:The Pazuzu thing you got harassed over btw is basically that the big important world bosses (Pazuzu, Louhi, Penthesilea, Provenance Watcher) drop a token that you can use to upgrade your relic weapon, but you can only get the drop at max elemental level for the zone you're in.
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Yeah, I did plenty of those fights below max level, you still get a nice chunk of XP from it. Those people were just being dicks.
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I feel like 'Eureka is fine as long as you buy a specific item you're supposed to grind inside of Eureka but can instead buy outside of it to make grinding easier' is not the glowing praise some people think it is.
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It was fine before I got my vermillion cloak on whm. Did a zone in a half before I even checked in about it. It turns out the game's just better when I engaged with the mechanics.
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Chillgamesh posted:Yeah, the Kirin's Osode and Verm Cloak you can buy amp the poo poo out of your stats. The reason why the Verm cloak is a little more expensive is because it also takes up the head slot and gives a lot more stats accordingly. They're both the strongest possible gear you can get in Eureka for their gear slots and effectively make you 2-3 levels higher than you actually are. The Pazuzu thing you got harassed over btw is basically that the big important world bosses (Pazuzu, Louhi, Penthesilea, Provenance Watcher) drop a token that you can use to upgrade your relic weapon, but you can only get the drop at max elemental level for the zone you're in. This is the single most helpful post about Eureka content I've ever read on the entire internet, so unironically thank you. Everything I'd read was just "YOU'LL NEED TO KILL PAZUZU TEN ZILLION loving TIMES, GO TO EVERY PAZUZU", and never mentioned "until you're zone capped it's not useful".Maybe I'll give it another try in the lull before 6.1, who knows.
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Hellioning posted:I feel like 'Eureka is fine as long as you buy a specific item you're supposed to grind inside of Eureka but can instead buy outside of it to make grinding easier' is not the glowing praise some people think it is. Eureka is completely doable without elemental bonus equipment..It just makes things easier. How is this somehow a negative thing?
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Hellioning posted:I feel like 'Eureka is fine as long as you buy a specific item you're supposed to grind inside of Eureka but can instead buy outside of it to make grinding easier' is not the glowing praise some people think it is. I don't think anyone was presenting it as glowing praise lol people are having genuine discussions about it but you just keep throwing out stuff like this
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Eureka is a massive slog of an undertaking that took forever and was incredibly tedious to deal with. At the same time though it had the most positive community of people to interact with throughout the experience and even though it took me 3 tries to get my BA clear all the runs lead by the Aether people were pretty smooth and entertaining. Place still sucks but at least you're suffering in good company the whole time.
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As someone with 3 resistance weapons and the mount for getting all the notes, I find Eureka super tedious and I bounced off at the second zone. The challenge log only gets you like a level or two max, and the cap is sixty. And I played FFXI. Which is why I really want to finish Eureka so I can get the AV minion without paying millions of gil. 
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Eureka is a massive slog of an undertaking that took forever and was incredibly tedious to deal with. At the same time though it had the most positive community of people to interact with throughout the experience and even though it took me 3 tries to get my BA clear all the runs lead by the Aether people were pretty smooth and entertaining.  Also, the Happy Bunnies in Pyros are jerks who never want to give you the mount.
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The thing with eureka is that all these helpful things were patched in later which is no help if you already burnt out with it when Pagos was current and everything was poo poo The formula must have been different back then because i remember people insisting on 5/0 or you do NO damage at ALL
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Kazy posted:As someone with 3 resistance weapons and the mount for getting all the notes, I find Eureka super tedious and I bounced off at the second zone. The challenge log only gets you like a level or two max, and the cap is sixty. And I played FFXI. Which is why I really want to finish Eureka so I can get the AV minion without paying millions of gil. i did the challenge log this week and got 4 and a half levels. it is insane that no one can just say "i didnt have as much fun in eureka as in bozja" without also just making poo poo up. it happens every single time lol.
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Pollyanna posted:Hot take: I’ve never seen a WHM weapon I liked. 89EX’s is just sad. I'd like the Moogle weapon without the Moogle, just a nice flower type thing. Moogle is allowed to stay since they're present in the story anyway.
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