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Blasmeister posted:https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1478356993400311826 Back in the mid-00s in secondary school I made a few episodes of a one man podcast that are painful for me to listen to because if you skim them they're just a supercut of stuttered um's but even they weren't this bad.
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Keir Starmer - I'd Do Anything For Votes (But I Won't Do That)
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Petition in question, currently at 600k: https://chng.it/kMFKg7XvMH 
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what's on the cards for todays 5pm news conference? some iteration of 'Yes cases are way up and NHS services are declaring critical incidents all over, but the data does not support further restrictions'
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Zalakwe posted:Not even the Guardian seems to have noticed Keith's big relaunch, there is so little content they are just chucking it in with the Covid stuff. For how long are these speeches going to be: "The Labour Party is out of touch with the country and is not trusted with the public finances." He's been pushing this line for getting on for two years now! I genuinely don't get what the strategy is, unless it really is to keep the party unelectable 
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kecske posted:what's on the cards for todays 5pm news conference? some iteration of 'Yes cases are way up and NHS services are declaring critical incidents all over, but the data does not support further restrictions' Some sort of official policy that they're giving up, we all need to live with the virus, doing anything it turns out is too hard, blah blah blah.
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Pistol_Pete posted:For how long are these speeches going to be: "The Labour Party is out of touch with the country and is not trusted with the public finances." He's been pushing this line for getting on for two years now! I genuinely don't get what the strategy is, unless it really is to keep the party unelectable Honestly I think his strategy at the moment is just to offend as few people as possible while he waits and sees if Boris crashes and burns. It might work (maybe possibly) but will change nothing of any import and is extremely depressing. Lists of abstract nouns don't change lives. Edit: Also flags, lots of flags. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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And the big announcement is that he's Continuing with Plan B "There was a plan??" etc
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Zalakwe posted:Honestly I think his strategy at the moment is just to offend as few people as possible while he waits and sees if Boris crashes and burns. It might work (maybe possibly) but will change nothing of any import and is extremely depressing. I guess this is a policy from keith  No surprise that the former DPP is in favour of criminalizing people for poo poo that doesn't matter. quote:Downing Street has expressed concern over moves to end the prosecution of young people caught with cannabis in some London boroughs, under a pilot scheme being developed by Sadiq Khan. also lol 
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quote:The spokesman said: “We have absolutely no intention of decriminalising dangerous and harmful substances for recreational use. Decriminalisation would leave organised criminals in control, while risking an increase in drug use, which drives crime and violence which blights our streets.” Nice of them to low key admit that it was criminalization that put organised criminals in control in the first place.
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Decriminalisation removes a good excuse for plod to stop and search black kids. Won't happen until we gulag all the melts.
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I'm not sure how organized criminals can be in control if... it's not a crime. I don't go to organized criminals for bacon and egg butties because I can just buy them from a greasy spoon. I know it isn't based in reality but how is it even supposed to make sense?
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How anyone can argue that cannabis is "dangerous and harmful" when alcohol and tobacco remain legal is beyond me. Certainly less harmful than a mug full of Jameson's, eh, Keith.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure how organized criminals can be in control if... it's not a crime. Good parts are removing avenues for police harassment and steering users towards health and wellbeing resources, bad parts are leaving the import, sale, and manufacture in the hands of unregulated criminal gangs.
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Why would decriminalization not include "of production"?
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That was one tough Blue Monday (Tuesday). Just 32, 33 (or maybe even 40?) of them left. Sigh.
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OwlFancier posted:Why would decriminalization not include "of production"?
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That sounds absurd though I find it hard to imagine that a stable equilibrium could exist for long between decriminalization of posession and use and also of production.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:This is why I could never bring myself to fully support the Northern Independence Party even ironically. Like human sacrifice and cannibalism some cultural norms are completely beyond the pale. Eh. Sure you don't mean it but that's a really poor choice of phrase at the end there mate. Re: Bovril, wayback in the very early 70s, when I was wee and we'd only just moved to the UK, we went to a cafe for lunch and the waitress asked if I wanted a hot drink. I looked at the mostly alien menu and asked for a cup of bovril. I'd seen the -ov- and thought I was getting something related to Ovaltine. Horrible, horrible shock when I drank some. Guavanaut posted:Nice of them to low key admit that it was criminalization that put organised criminals in control in the first place. Umbra Dubium posted:How anyone can argue that cannabis is "dangerous and harmful" when alcohol and tobacco remain legal is beyond me. Yes but you see those are what Nice people do, that there weed of Satan is all them funny-tinged chaps, and waste of space bohemians. e:clarification EmptyVessel fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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This is just a necessity for building a winning coalition. Ultimately, Labour has to take popular positions in order to win power. https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1478415947786604553 e: a bit more detail: https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1478417413746184193
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yung lambic posted:That was one tough Blue Monday (Tuesday). Just 32, 33 (or maybe even 40?) of them left. Sigh. Even though it's a bunch of baseless bollocks, I thought it was supposed to be the third Monday of January?
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Re decriminalisation, I was chatting to the guy I buy it off last week and he said all the people he buys off are thinking about legalisation/decrim and trying to develop their own strains or whatever to turn into a brand, which seems to me to be a. inordinately optimistic about the future of drugs policy in this country and b. even more unjustifiably optimistic about any possible legalisation not being done in such a way as to hand control of the industry directly to multinationals and existing agribusiness (e.g. GW pharm)
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Decriminalisation is a bullshit approach that solves none of the major issues. Cannabis will still be illegal, the police will still be stopping and searching young people for it, and gangs will still be warring with each other. However, with decriminalisation, it now opens up a new market where bullshit merchants can provide compulsory bullshit courses and make bank.
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EmptyVessel posted:Eh. Sure you don't mean it but that's a really poor choice of phrase at the end there mate. I compared putting gravy on chips to cannibalism and human sacrifice... and you're worried I'm Doing A Spectator with the *other* half of the post? (No seriously I'm not sure what I'm being accused of here - "beyond the pale", as in "Things that are done by the savages outside the walls" *is* a perfectly cromulent turn of phrase for a post taking the comedic perspective of someone literally saying Northerners need to be kept repressed for their culinary choices)
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XMNN posted:Re decriminalisation, I was chatting to the guy I buy it off last week and he said all the people he buys off are thinking about legalisation/decrim and trying to develop their own strains or whatever to turn into a brand, which seems to me to be a. inordinately optimistic about the future of drugs policy in this country and b. even more unjustifiably optimistic about any possible legalisation not being done in such a way as to hand control of the industry directly to multinationals and existing agribusiness (e.g. GW pharm) I think they're expecting it to go something like it did in the US (and when you have a more repressive drug regime than the US... hoo boy), where this is in fact what happened, because (unlike what your mate's stoner big brother told you in the 90s) it turns out Philip Morris et. al. *weren't* sitting on plans to take over the entire industry as soon as it was legalised, and in fact everyone was pretty surprised with how quickly legalisation happened, which left the large semi-legal growers in California and (Colorado? Oregon? I can't remember the other state where medical marijuana was allowed) as the biggest fish in what was suddenly a much, much bigger pond.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I compared putting gravy on chips to cannibalism and human sacrifice... and you're worried I'm Doing A Spectator with the *other* half of the post? I have a vague memory that "beyond the pale" has some sort of specific iffy connotation but I can't remember why I think that or what the connotation is.
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OwlFancier posted:I have a vague memory that "beyond the pale" has some sort of specific iffy connotation but I can't remember why I think that or what the connotation is. There's some bollocks associations of it with anti-Semitism
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Beyond the pale is where Irish are, inside the pale is where Jews are. Nobody in history has ever built pales for reasons other than putting one group of people inside or outside them though, so whichever pale you're thinking of will have connotations.fuctifino posted:Decriminalisation is a bullshit approach that solves none of the major issues. Cannabis will still be illegal, the police will still be stopping and searching young people for it, and gangs will still be warring with each other. However, with decriminalisation, it now opens up a new market where bullshit merchants can provide compulsory bullshit courses and make bank. It still involves pretending very hard that one side of the equation doesn't exist, but there's a lot of bullshit right up to the UN level in doing much otherwise, although it'll be interesting to see what happens in Germany with cannabis legalization.
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XMNN posted:Re decriminalisation, I was chatting to the guy I buy it off last week and he said all the people he buys off are thinking about legalisation/decrim and trying to develop their own strains or whatever to turn into a brand, which seems to me to be a. inordinately optimistic about the future of drugs policy in this country and b. even more unjustifiably optimistic about any possible legalisation not being done in such a way as to hand control of the industry directly to multinationals and existing agribusiness (e.g. GW pharm) So you're saying that they are capitalists? They can gently caress right off and all. "Brands" ffs. Short step from coke snorting Tory-boy that. fuctifino posted:Decriminalisation is a bullshit approach that solves none of the major issues. Cannabis will still be illegal, the police will still be stopping and searching young people for it, and gangs will still be warring with each other. However, with decriminalisation, it now opens up a new market where bullshit merchants can provide compulsory bullshit courses and make bank. Courses in what? Lol. Just don't go, certainly don't loving pay. Lying to and disobeying the Man and then disappearing is a cool thing to learn. goddamnedtwisto posted:I compared putting gravy on chips to cannibalism and human sacrifice... and you're worried I'm Doing A Spectator with the *other* half of the post?  fe: Oh, it has gently caress all to do with anti-semitism. (Ignorance of your Culture is Considered Uncool!) "The earliest reference ( 1547 ) to the Pale in Ireland as such draws the contrast between the English Pale and the ‘wyld Irysh’: the area beyond the pale would have been regarded as dangerous and uncivilized by the English."
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Comrade Fakename posted:This is just a necessity for building a winning coalition. Ultimately, Labour has to take popular positions in order to win power. I don't think there is a clearer example anywhere of middle class opinion haver think than Tony Blair. The commentariat just seem to assume he's revered.
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Guavanaut posted:Blanket decrim personal possession of all drugs worked well in Portugal, which had a big heroin misuse problem and now has less of one. Ended the HIV/Aids epidemic there too. A blanket decriminalisation is certainly a step in the right direction, rather than this suggested age and postcode limited trial that's being suggested in London, but full legalisation is where it should be at. Adults should have the right to choose which substance they want to take, and be able to go to a superdrug and purchase super drugs from a qualified professional. Decriminalisation is still prohibition, and it still allows a criminal black market to exist. EmptyVessel posted:Courses in what? Lol. Just don't go, certainly don't loving pay. Lying to and disobeying the Man and then disappearing is a cool thing to learn. Courses in 'Drugs are bad mmmkay?". There's a good chance that such courses will be compulsory to escape it being escalated to a criminal charge or caution. I'm pretty certain such courses are compulsory in Portugal, and that the attendees are required to pay for them.
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Zalakwe posted:I don't think there is a clearer example anywhere of middle class opinion haver think than Tony Blair. The commentariat just seem to assume he's revered. He’s won elections unlike that evildoer Corbyn!
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Nonsense posted:He’s won elections unlike that evildoer Corbyn! I think you'll find winning things is the most important thing in the world. Far more important than say foreign children. I think there are things to commend Tony Blair for (Good Friday Agreement being one) but he got the Iraq thing very wrong and it seems can't be resuscitated from it politically. Whether Labour can is probably tbc to be honest. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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I read this post on here today (I didn't click through to twitter), and this evening I get this youtube recommendation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53SzYSjIlG4 I don't know whether to be impressed or scared by this example of google's level of spying on me.
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EmptyVessel posted:So you're saying that they are capitalists? They can gently caress right off and all. "Brands" ffs. Short step from coke snorting Tory-boy that. well they are drug dealers my guy is always telling me about the different types and what's coming up and I don't have the heart to tell him I don't really care that much as long as it gets me high e: goddamnedtwisto posted:I think they're expecting it to go something like it did in the US (and when you have a more repressive drug regime than the US... hoo boy), where this is in fact what happened, because (unlike what your mate's stoner big brother told you in the 90s) it turns out Philip Morris et. al. *weren't* sitting on plans to take over the entire industry as soon as it was legalised, and in fact everyone was pretty surprised with how quickly legalisation happened, which left the large semi-legal growers in California and (Colorado? Oregon? I can't remember the other state where medical marijuana was allowed) as the biggest fish in what was suddenly a much, much bigger pond. yeah this was the impression I got from him, but I just can't see the British government taking the same approach if we ever get there. plus, we've already got at least one huge legal grower XMNN fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jan 4, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I'm all for blair being knighted, seems an entirely appropriate fit. it's a shame they didn't go for a more appropriate title, such as “Lord Death of Murder Mountain”
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EmptyVessel posted:fe: Oh, it has gently caress all to do with anti-semitism. (Ignorance of your Culture is Considered Uncool!) Oh, I'm aware of the Irish etymology ( i.e. the one that's more generally considered the "real" etymology), but as Guav says there have been a few historical Pales and thus chin-stroking concern abounds
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