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Detective No. 27 posted:The third episode is about the rise of the FOX Network. I'll be watching that today. I'm looking forward to seeing how much of The Simpsons played a part. See if they mention anything about the show declining after the 90s. Interestingly, both the first two episodes cite the rise of reality tv as contributing to the decline of their episode subjects. I'm sure the Fox episode is gonna mention how Fox went all in on them too. I’ve wondered about that, especially hearing staff from the early 90s mention how Fox wasn’t available everywhere but the demand for Simpsons helped speed the rollout.
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Detective No. 27 posted:The daytime talk shows episode ended with one of the Jerry Springer producers giving an eye rolling "you can't do that today with the cancel culture" spiel. It was on the air until 2018 dude
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Detective No. 27 posted:I've been watching Vice's Dark Side of the 90s show after work the past couple days. First two episodes are on daytime talk shows and The Viper Room. The daytime talk shows episode ended with one of the Jerry Springer producers giving an eye rolling "you can't do that today with the cancel culture" spiel. I read that as Jerry Seinfeld for some reason, and it reminded me that I just watched a season 3 episode where Seinfeld has a whole bit about attempted suicide and it was a big loving yikes. Maybe canceling comedians is a good thing actually. I feel like the only comedy with its roots in the 80s that aged gracefully (relatively) was Cheers because they were trying to be inclusive from the very beginning.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Cheers because they were trying to be inclusive from the very beginning. There’s a very early Cheers episode where Norm, Cliff and several of the regulars find out that gay guys are in the bar and freak out because they think it’ll turn Cheers into a gay bar. Both Sam and Diane are appalled and the episode’s resolution is that the guys are unreasonable bigots. There might be some problems with the episode now but it was remarkably progressive for 1983.
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I find a lot of old comedies work best when looked at as purely a slice of the time and a mix of modern dark humor sensibility. That said, I don't blame anyone for anything they find problematic
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YeahTubaMike posted:Not as bad as Italian Bob imho Just when I’ve finally completely forgotten something so heinous, there’s always a friendly reminder it exists and I just wanna scream because I’d finally forgotten about it. Ugggh, Italian Bob was just… ugggh.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:There’s a very early Cheers episode where Norm, Cliff and several of the regulars find out that gay guys are in the bar and freak out because they think it’ll turn Cheers into a gay bar. Both Sam and Diane are appalled and the episode’s resolution is that the guys are unreasonable bigots. And this isn't even the only instance of the show taking positions like this. They made very conscious efforts from early on to combat bigotry and I love it.
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So the episode did briefly talk about The Simpsons and how it went up against The Cosby Show. The episode was about FOX but it mostly focused on how they were the network for youth shows and issues. I didn't know that Beverly Hills 90210 was originally did very very poorly and didn't get cancelled because they have anything to replace it with. Then, this might be spin by the documentary, I dunno, the Gulf War happened and all the other networks shifted to coverage. Except for Fox, because ironically they didn't have news at the time, and teens, tired of war footage, flocked to the network and made 90210 a big hit. (Big lol at those Gen Xers flocking to recruiters in droves a decade later.)
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Man, I remember a time when Michael Jackson had world premiere videos from the Dangerous album air immediately after The Simpsons on Thursday night. My sister had me record “Black or White” and “Remember the Time” because she was taking night classes at the time and was salty that she couldn’t see them live. It really was a welcome change from everyone else talking about Desert Storm ad nauseam.
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You Are A Elf posted:Just when I’ve finally completely forgotten something so heinous, there’s always a friendly reminder it exists and I just wanna scream because I’d finally forgotten about it. Ugggh, Italian Bob was just… ugggh. I only remember it because it has the honor of being the episode that caused me to stop watching the show altogether
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YeahTubaMike posted:I only remember it because it has the honor of being the episode that caused me to stop watching the show altogether I don’t know why I stuck around for two more seasons after The Italian Bob because that episode nearly caused me to stop watching the show, too. It wasn’t until That ‘90s Show that I checked out completely. In hindsight, The Italian Bob is much, much worse than That ‘90s Show.
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What was so bad about The Italian Bob again? I know I watched that episode, but I don't remember a single thing about it except for a vague plot outline.
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DaveWoo posted:What was so bad about The Italian Bob again? Everything
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I've started rewatching and I'm in season 6 now, is there an accepted endpoint where I should stop watching for my own sanity? I have season 12 in my mind but it honestly could be sooner based on what little I've read.
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Every rewatch I do drags by 9 and rarely gets to 10. I've tried to go directly to 12+ and it's painful. Those teen seasons are so toxically bad. I think people say the s11 finale should be the last episode regardless where you finish if not by 11.
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DaveWoo posted:What was so bad about The Italian Bob again? 
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They really tried to make saying "vendetta" into a funny thing.
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DaveWoo posted:What was so bad about The Italian Bob again? I know I watched that episode, but I don't remember a single thing about it except for a vague plot outline. VENDETTA! VENDETTA! VENDETTA! VENDETTA! (times a thousand)
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YeahTubaMike posted:VENDETTA! VENDETTA! VENDETTA! VENDETTA! 
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DaveWoo posted:What was so bad about The Italian Bob again? I know I watched that episode, but I don't remember a single thing about it except for a vague plot outline. The family screaming "Vendetta!" over and over
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If you stop at season 11, the last episode is Behind The Laughter, which is a great place to stop. I have up to season 12 on DVD and ripped to Kodi. So when the pandemic started I watched them all. Except the last two seasons I was shipping a bunch of episodes. By season 12 I think I was shipping more episodes than the ones I watched.
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quote:Kelsey Grammer won the Emmy Award for Outstanding Voice-Over Performance for his voice portrayal of Sideshow Bob in this episode. I kinda like the laziness of how multiple characters have met and had kids and those kids are walking and talking while Maggie stays frozen in time.
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You Are A Elf posted:That is one ugly kid. Turn on your monitor
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iamsosmrt posted:I find a lot of old comedies work best when looked at as purely a slice of the time and a mix of modern dark humor sensibility. That said, I don't blame anyone for anything they find problematic I'd love to see the reaction of a modern audience to All in the Family. The overall message is still progressive even by today's standards but I think the way the message is delivered would raise some eyebrows.
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Das Boo posted:It's too soon for Simpsons to tackle MeToo. It was just last year they made the brave choice to include a character who had a mastectomy! who was that? italian quid posted:I've started rewatching and I'm in season 6 now, is there an accepted endpoint where I should stop watching for my own sanity? I have season 12 in my mind but it honestly could be sooner based on what little I've read. i have a slightly higher tolerance for declining simpsons than the average posted in this thread, i think. so i personally stopped around season 15. by that point, the show is already quite difficult to watch, but after that, it becomes quite painful.
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Mr Interweb posted:who was that? This lady:  Of course there were a dozen articles praising them for being so revolutionary.
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Das Boo posted:This lady: At the same time I don't know that I can think of an animated character that's addressed it before?
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South Park, though I can't tell if Principal Victoria has had a unilateral mastectomy because of how she's drawn. e: wrang princepull
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Das Boo posted:South Park, though I can't tell if Principal Victoria has had a unilateral mastectomy because of how she's drawn. Oh how the tables have turned.
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There wasn't any dialogue or story around it, it just came off like they drew her wrong. Like if it was a live action show and they cast an actress who had a mastectomy that would be one thing but they basically just drew one less line on the character sheet.
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Atlas Hugged posted:At the same time I don't know that I can think of an animated character that's addressed it before? The Venture Bros has a mythologically accurate Amazon.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Venture Bros has a mythologically accurate Amazon. gently caress, I forgot and she was amazing.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:I'd love to see the reaction of a modern audience to All in the Family. The overall message is still progressive even by today's standards but I think the way the message is delivered would raise some eyebrows. Honestly, I'd be more curious about seeing modern reactions to the Jeffersons and maybe moreso Sanford and Son. All in the Family's got the biggest legacy but it's more cut and dry about what it is--old school patriarch dealing with changing times and those drat young progressive Boomers meddling in his life. Sanford and Son is a very raw look into poor black life in that same era and how they made due but also rationalized their situations with hijinks for brevity. Where as Archie seemed hesitant to change as it affected his comfortable life, Sanford was hesitant because he didn't trust white people to change. Nonetheless it would be interesting to see the reactions of audienes of various political and regional backgrounds to each of these shows.
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Mr Interweb posted:who was that? I'm genuinely curious how it's managed to keep enough of an audience to survive over the years. As objectively as possible, it became incredibly bad by this time (s13+)to the point where it's comparable with notorious poo poo like those parody "_____ Movie" films but as I wrote that I realized there were quite a few of those movies and that there must be a large segment of people with terribly low standards for comedy. Thinking of how many mediocre to good comedy shows (all superior to bad Simpsons) that came and went through the bad Simpsons years and it's like yeah, TV execs and the industry can really be baffling and disappointing. I'm glad we have much wider access and people producing shows these days that bemoaning the fall of the Simpsons is more of a fun distraction than a sincere need to vent.
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they literally did live performances of all in the family and the jeffersons in 2019
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IUG posted:If you stop at season 11, the last episode is Behind The Laughter, which is a great place to stop. Yeah Basically behind the laughter can kind of be seen as a good way to end the series overall outside of that future Christmas episode, plus obviously the movie . Show though now has three times gotten a chance to end satisfactory and now if it ends no one will care and justifiably so.
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iamsosmrt posted:Honestly, I'd be more curious about seeing modern reactions to the Jeffersons and maybe moreso Sanford and Son. I have been saying it for years. But it's time for "Son of Sanford and Son" to become a reality. But actually, don't do that. Because they will either miss the point entirely. Or they will just make it into Riverdale and Son.
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Riptor posted:they literally did live performances of all in the family and the jeffersons in 2019 I saw that. I remember Archie used a slur and the audience audibly gasped. But I'm more curious about how it would be received episode by episode in the constantly-aggrieved and offended Twitter universe
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