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Waste of Breath
Dec 30, 2021

I only know🧠 one1️⃣ thing🪨: I😡 want😤 to 🔪kill☠️… 😈Chaos😱… I need🥵 to. [TIME⏰ TO DIE☠️]
:same:

Sagebrush posted:

i think it's a real photo with mega HDR

this is why it's very important to use proper PPE when entering old/abandoned structures, or else your pictures start looking like this

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TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Sagebrush posted:

i assume it means "don't poke this screen with pens or screwdrivers or wrenches," but i do like the alternate interpretation.

i think it's a real photo with mega HDR

it seems completely devoid of texture on the surfaces.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Looks real to me - the background is a bit out of focus and a bit anti-noise smoothed, but plausible enough.

(Something something and looking at a lot of shops in my time)

Crustashio
Jul 27, 2000

ruh roh

Sagebrush posted:

i assume it means "don't poke this screen with pens or screwdrivers or wrenches," but i do like the alternate interpretation.


It's this, HMI touchscreens are expensive as hell and don't generally take kindly to sharp instruments being used to operate them. Especially with a lot of force applied

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Doc Hawkins posted:

and of course there's the fact that if you tried that with a cougar uhhhhhhhhhh look just don't try that with a cougar okay

I am not going to try that with a lion either if that's ok with you.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Crustashio posted:

It's this, HMI touchscreens are expensive as hell and don't generally take kindly to sharp instruments being used to operate them. Especially with a lot of force applied

$1000/diagonal inch is a pretty close rough guideline, at least for the Siemens kit in my facility

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Cthulu Carl posted:

I went back to his book to check, and Josh Gates does not rail against jeans as I misremembered - He just notes that they are a very bad idea for the Malaysian jungles.

Now shorts, Crocs, khaki vests, and travel wallets, however...



“men almost never wear shorts in their own country” 😂

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

You might as well wear leggings at that point.

•ahem•

Jeggings

XTimmy
Nov 28, 2007
I am Jacks self hatred

shame on an IGA posted:

$1000/diagonal inch is a pretty close rough guideline, at least for the Siemens kit in my facility

Why are they so costly compared to common phone screens etc? More rugged?

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

XTimmy posted:

Why are they so costly compared to common phone screens etc? More rugged?


Just guessing here.

I don't have any real nice screens at work, only Automation Direct - but they aren't anywhere near this pricy.
But generally speaking, industrial stuff is much more expensive thanks to being designed to/certified/type-tested to work in some very rough environments.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

XTimmy posted:

Why are they so costly compared to common phone screens etc? More rugged?

Your phone isn't designed to work 24/7 without fail for decades.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



Doc Hawkins posted:

and of course there's the fact that if you tried that with a cougar uhhhhhhhhhh look just don't try that with a cougar okay

If there's anything I learned about thirsty cougars is I never try and take my salami out of their mouth, I just let them have at it.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

sigher posted:

If there's anything I learned about thirsty cougars is I never try and take my salami out of their mouth, I just let them have at it.

your little a salami

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Tunicate posted:

your little a salami

:thejoke:

Bacon Taco
Jun 8, 2006

Now with extra narwhal meat!
HAIKOOLIGAN
Dinosaur Gum

sigher posted:

If there's anything I learned about thirsty cougars is I never try and take my salami out of their mouth, I just let them have at it.

That's just the OSHA way for salami safety!

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

Chillyrabbit posted:

Redditor who was a military accident investigator

quote:

quote:
Back with another one. For anyone who missed previous posts, I did a tour as an accident investigator for the Navy and Marine Corps. I was the one they called when somebody died or there was more than $1MM in damage. Usually, it was the former (death) when I got called out to figure out what happened, why it happened, and more importantly, how to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Previous posts include:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryStories/comments/rt9iay/the_best_lance_corporal_i_ever_met/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryStories/comments/rb09o0/how_a_spider_saved_a_lance_corporal_from_a_court/

A month or two back, there were national headlines about an accidental shooting involving a famous actor on a movie set. They should have had blanks, but he was given a weapon with live ammo and someone was killed. “How can that happen?” Man, it is so common. Not to excuse or justify it, but it is frightenly common.

Background

In August of 2002, I got called out from Norfolk to Camp Pendleton, CA (CPCA). Seems a young Marine had been shot during a force-on-force MILES training exercise. MILES is basically changing an M4 or M16 to a laser-tag weapon, where you screw on a Blank Fire Adapter (BFA) to the muzzle, attach a laser to the underside of the barrel, and strap on laser tag receivers onto your uniform and helmet. Using blanks, the BFA traps the gas in the barrel, blowing the bolt back to chamber the next round. The rifle recoil/sound triggers the laser to ‘shoot’ at an opponent. If someone hits you with a laser, your gear buzzes until someone with a key turns it off.

Some of you are already thinking, “How can someone get shot when everyone has blanks?” which is the right question, but it’s far more common than you think. There was one separate case where some guys doing MILES training opened up on a HMMWV with a M240G machine gun that should have been firing blanks, but in-fact had a belt of live ammo (7.62 mm belt fed machine gun). Thankfully, nobody died in that one.

To set you up with some details, First Force Recon was doing a week long pre-deployment training package that was conducted by the Special Operations Training Group (SOTG) on CPCA. This was a mix of live fire events in a ‘shoot house’ and MILES in seperate buildings. The MILES events had an opposing force comprised of miscellaneous units around the base.

As an aside, I have respect for the SF, SEAL, Delta, Rangers, Recon and MARSOC folks out there, but your arrogance and complacency kept me really, really busy. Some of these guys in SEALS and Recon were so good, they never discussed SOPs or other practices while cross training and were so good that not only would they not inspect each other, they wouldn’t let themselves be inspected.

At the outset of the training week, SOTG set the tone that “you are all grownups, manage yourselves”. Not those exact words, but they gave them the ammo on pallets at the platoon’s CP and a training schedule. The platoon had to figure out the rest. So each guy would check the schedule and load up the magazines required for the day’s activities. And this was 100% normal and expected for this unit and this exercise. Prior to training events, the SNCO DIDN’T line everybody up like a bunch of recruits and inspect their equipment, it was up to the individuals to prepare themselves.

On one particular day, the unit was scheduled to do a live-fire in the morning at the nearby shoot house. They did and everything was fine. Later that day there was a FAST Rope insert to the top of a 4 or 5 story building via CH-53 where they would be using MILES gear and blanks.

How it works in a building helo takedown is the team slides down a rope from the chopper to the building. I don’t believe they are attached to the rope other than hand and foot grip. They enter the building and the first 4 guys line up against the wall next to the first door they encounter. Once the 4th man is in place he signals, 1st guy enters and shoots whoever needs to get shot. The 5th guy into the building is the first guy in the second stack on door #2. Once that room is cleared, they find the next stack to line up on. Speed is absolutely critical – Stack, enter, shoot / clear, secure, move to next stack. Its going to be fairly chaotic for the shooters as it becomes fairly randomized, moving from the top floor down to the ground floor. It’s even more chaotic for the bad guys. Multiple teams clearing multiple rooms at the same time sprinting door to door, floor to floor.

Training Day

The unit embarks on the chopper at an LZ and does rope onto the roof. Our Shooter, Sgt O, was nearly the last one off the CH-53 so the first door he stacked on wasn’t the 5th, it was around the 3rd floor or so. I believe he was the lead guy in the stack and therefore the first through the door. The opposing force (OPFOR) in this room consisted of PFC P. Sgt O raised his weapon, fired six shots in a matter of seconds.

What Sgt O and his ENTIRE CHAIN OF COMMAND FAILED TO ENSURE DIDN’T HAPPEN, did in fact happen. He had loaded a full magazine of live 5.56 mm FMJ into his rifle for a MILES event that should have had blanks. The first round blew off the BFA and the compensator (muzzle) of the rifle. The second round went into PFC P’s shoulder. The Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth rounds went center mass into PFC P, who was wearing a ballistic vest, but no SAPI (Armor) plate inside. Rounds 3-6 penetrated the vest and PFC P didn’t survive.

Sgt O didn’t comprehend what had happened initially. He said he was “In the zone”, which I actually believe and understand. It was other shooters and exercise controllers in the building who could tell that those shots didn’t match the sound of the rest of the cacophony in the building.

So in short, the Recon Sergeant mixed up his magazines, didn’t inspect them prior to the training event, was not inspected by anyone else at ANY TIME DURING THE ENTIRE TRAINING PACKAGE (week of training), put the magazine in his weapon without even looking at it, blew off his BFA and entire muzzle and put 5 more shots into a PFC.

We interviewed the unit members individually and – to the man – each at one point or another said, “29 guys went in, 28 did the right thing.” Meaning, they are all big boys, still don’t need inspection by anyone at any time. Nothing needs to change. The level of arrogance was just incredible. My mind was on ‘Where TF was SOTG in all this?’. Those guys were masters at deflection. Pinned it all on the unit. No responsibility, no accountability. They absolutely failed to set any sort of tone or expectation that training units inspect themselves or be inspected by the controllers. They set the training schedule: live fire followed by blank fire on the same day. They basically gave then an ammo dump on Monday and said, “Good luck guys, see you later.” Now, being Recon, I do expect some level of independence and maturity, but a fundamental leadership principle is “Inspect what you expect”, and that applies if you’re a Delta team member or a recruit at basic.

Aftermath

For better or worse, PFC P’s father was a Navy Chief, I believe. When the Marine Corps tried to sell their line of BS, he was having None. Of. It. Saw right through the BS and knew the levels of incompetence that had to exist for this to happen. It couldn’t have been a single person to result in this – multiple levels of incompetence and gross negligence had to exist for this to happen.

Sgt O was initially convicted of Negligent Manslaughter and took a 12 month sentence, but on appeal it was reduced to 10 months of time he had already served, a letter of reprimand and reduction to E-4. Which should be insulting to every good Corporal who has ever served in the Corps and a complete slap in the face to his family. What didn’t happen still pisses me off: SOTG managed to duck and dodge all accountability. I’m sure they made some curriculum changes, but in my mind, this started with them and ended in the death of a PFC.

If you want details, this was covered in a lot of papers at the time. A google search will lead you to trials and lawsuits that followed, I checked and a lot are on line still. It was ugly. Disappointingly, not a lot of good came from this investigation. It was the only one that I’m aware of where someone actually did any jail time, and even then it was overturned, adding insult to injury for the family of our PFC.

This wasn’t the first time I had investigated this exact same unit. The previous one in the Summer of 2001 involved a parachute that opened on impact. That one was probably the most detailed and technical investigation I ever did. I will write that up in the near future.

Lastly, I did around 3 dozen investigations in 3 years. They covered everything from weapons, vehicles, OSHA stuff, everything you can imagine and some sh*t you can’t. I’ve since moved on to a civilian career in heavy industry and use the lessons I learned daily. My hope is that some of you can glean some nuggets to use along the way (inspect what you expect, one single small action can stop a catastrophic chain of events, etc). Also, if I ever appear too jaded or disinterested in the Marines or Sailors who died here, that’s not my intent. I’ve wept for these guys I never had the opportunity to meet; met some of their families and wept with them; and laid awake at night with their autopsy photos looking back at me. I don’t ever mean to disrespect their memory or sacrifice. After this gig and a few other *gems*, just quite a bit jaded at life sometimes. I will write up the one where the guy got ran over by the boat he was driving soon, as a number of you have asked for it. Semper Fi, stay safe out there.

News article of the Father suing the Marine corps

calling out this one as well cause it's infuriating bullshit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryStories/comments/rb09o0/how_a_spider_saved_a_lance_corporal_from_a_court/

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

XTimmy posted:

Why are they so costly compared to common phone screens etc? More rugged?

Nah they're honestly pretty poo poo, resistive touch, max resolution 1024x768 but nobody's looking at the price tag when downtime costs $50-100k/hr in lost production (at the low end)

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

TotalLossBrain posted:

Just guessing here.

I don't have any real nice screens at work, only Automation Direct - but they aren't anywhere near this pricy.
But generally speaking, industrial stuff is much more expensive thanks to being designed to/certified/type-tested to work in some very rough environments.

I fished a 32" monitor out of the garbage at work a while back. I figured I'd need to fix it, but it turns out it was thrown out because it was part of a retail display that wasn't needed anymore. Also it was a touchscreen that retails for over $1,500. I considered selling it but decided the people who pay that are looking for a warranty, not mild burn-in. Gives me something to watch in the garage though.

HolHorsejob
Mar 14, 2020

Portrait of Cheems II of Spain by Jabona Neftman, olo pint on fird

Khajiit did nothing wrong

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
What are the chances that she is an Indonesian or other immigrant house maid, and between being her master groping her and the mistress beating her she also has to take the behaving lion out to cool for the same minimum wage?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

tak
Jan 31, 2003

lol demowned
Grimey Drawer
Hmmm

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


mattfl posted:

Hey, wait what?

Even though we were expected, guards along the route up the mountain were asleep and a surprise Troopie with a dude hanging out the side with a broadcast camera that looks like some sort of rocket launcher driving at the front gates to a remote gold strike site gets people itchy.

Copper Vein
Mar 14, 2007

...and we liked it that way.
HMI talk: They are usually more than just a display and are all-in-one windows machines capable of running not only the HMI software but sometimes also diagnostic software for your attached devices like safety scanners and weld controllers. They are built very rugged for constant operation and harsh environments plus a Siemens or Rockwell markup and they get incredibly expensive.

Control systems like that get more expensive as they get older too, because even as they become obsoleted and go out of production they still may be the only device that will work in the old machine with its old PLC and communication bus that would be even more incredibly costly to upgrade to.

I've worked with HMI controllers that are $40k to replace in Desma rubber presses from the 90's and have replaced $70k refurbished robot controllers that seem to be just a normal windows XP machine with an add-in card for industrial ethernet and still take 10 minutes to boot up.

Where I'm working now, the plant is so new that it isn't producing yet and the HMIs are nice 16:9 capacitive touchscreens with a sheer glass face mounted on a sturdy pedestal instead of just in a metal cabinet. Everybody is being weirdos about taking the protective film off the glass and the thin plastic layer is already filthy and scraped up and hard to see through.

ILL Machina
Mar 25, 2004

:italy: Glory to Italia! :italy:

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!
Oopsy Daisy
https://imgur.com/gallery/r53SQz6



Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting

Nenonen posted:

What are the chances that she is an Indonesian or other immigrant house maid, and between being her master groping her and the mistress beating her she also has to take the behaving lion out to cool for the same minimum wage?

You're a killjoy. Just enjoy the beauty of the lady with more balls than God just frustratedly handling a lion.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Nenonen posted:

What are the chances that she is an Indonesian or other immigrant house maid, and between being her master groping her and the mistress beating her she also has to take the behaving lion out to cool for the same minimum wage?

:chloe:

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!


That looks expensive.

BlackIronHeart
Aug 2, 2004

PROCEED

Copper Vein posted:

Control systems like that get more expensive as they get older too, because even as they become obsoleted and go out of production they still may be the only device that will work in the old machine with its old PLC and communication bus that would be even more incredibly costly to upgrade to.

Facts. I was working for a major statewide power company a few years back and one of the primary environmental alarm systems was running on an OS/2 Warp box, right next to a rotary phone. This system was monitoring things like flood alarms in coal power plants and natural gas facilities.

I asked how quickly we could get monitoring running again if that box failed and the answer was 'Never'.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Another mythbusters mystery solved.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

Eh, just go buy some Bondo

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Pigsfeet on Rye posted:

Eh, just go buy some Bondo

It can be buffed out

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Speed slices

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006


*Sighs and tosses crumbled napkin with 'The Best Thing Since Sliced Plane' hastily scrawled on it into the trash*

Hobnob
Feb 23, 2006

Ursa Adorandum

BlackIronHeart posted:

Facts. I was working for a major statewide power company a few years back and one of the primary environmental alarm systems was running on an OS/2 Warp box, right next to a rotary phone. This system was monitoring things like flood alarms in coal power plants and natural gas facilities.

I asked how quickly we could get monitoring running again if that box failed and the answer was 'Never'.

My only experience using OS/2 was a lab spectrophotometer that would only talk to the PS/2 it had came with. Nobody could figure out a way to use anything more modern with it. Was always fun when someone from another group/dept. came over to borrow time on it and expected to take their data home on a USB stick. Nope, hope you brought your floppy! (I knew I was old when a new grad student cheerfully exclaimed this was the first time he had actually used a floppy disk.)

We also had an ancient cryo-cooled CCD array with an interface card that would only work in the ISA slots of an original IBM PC AT, vintage 1984. When I asked what would we do if the PC died, I was show the cupboard fully of surplussed dead PC ATs that were cannibalized to keep it running.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

If you know of a better way to get aluminum foil I'd like to hear about it

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

I once worked at a place where we never opened a particular storage location because despite a signed document from 1977 stating that it was empty, there was a high likelihood it contained explosives that would become our problem if we knew about them.

To the best of my knowledge it is still "empty" 20 years later.

waffle iron
Jan 16, 2004
I love a good story of a chemical laboratory finding a dried barely labeled bottle of picric acid and the bomb squad having to come in.

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Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I once worked at a place where we never opened a particular storage location because despite a signed document from 1977 stating that it was empty, there was a high likelihood it contained explosives that would become our problem if we knew about them.

You worked in Beruit?

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