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Bel Shazar posted:Americans are so damned stupid. William Henry Harrison is clearly the best president we've had. Ehhhh, I feel like there are a few people of Native American ancestry who might disagree.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:if you're not a democratic lawmaker seeking reelection being obsessed with 1/6 is extremely pathetic, I'm sorry. god drat this is a good post
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Majorian posted:Ehhhh, I feel like there are a few people of Native American ancestry who might disagree. Not the best person to be president, but the one who did the best AS president.
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Julius Caesar, about an "incident" in the Senate on 14 April: "It wasn't serious at all, all they did was pull out knives and surround me, and then look at each other and whisper, 'tomorrow.' Wakanda Forever!"
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Fister Roboto posted:They're fine with it as long as they aren't personally threatened. That's the message I'm getting. Except they were very much personally threatened. I have little doubt that Pelosi, Omar or AOC would have been torn limb from limb on a livestream by someone had they been found. Also, gently caress Dick Cheney and his pearl clutching. Jesus Christ. They'll shake hands with Trump in 2032 after the next wave of abominable right wing bullshit led by Desantis or whatever monster does something worse. Cheney and his ilk are directly responsible for where we are right now and I don't give a poo poo what they find to be "unacceptable". I wouldn't cross the senate floor to check on him if he had another heart attack. I can't believe he's only 80. That seems impossible.
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https://twitter.com/JohnDelaney/status/1479232773906911237 To think of what could have been. He would have won if people had only voted for him... 
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BiggerBoat posted:Except they were very much personally threatened. I know that. But during the last coup, which Cheney helped orchestrate, they weren't threatened at all.
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I really don’t know if they’d go so far as to tear electeds into pieces; they’d probably wuss out. However reasonable that idea may sound, the investigations appear to have found nothing to support this even after they looked, as far as I can tell. If there were something beyond doubt we will hear about it.
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BiggerBoat posted:Except they were very much personally threatened. Actually I can state with exactly as much evidence this would not have happened and they would have been fine
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Jan 7, 2022 03:13
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some plague rats posted:Actually I can state with exactly as much evidence this would not have happened and they would have been fine Based on? The crowd was already attacking and harassing media members outside the capitol, what reason would they have if they had managed to confront legislators they didn't take a liking to? The cop loving crowd was OPENLY attacking cops.
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they injured something like 150 cops, there clearly was quite a bit of violence
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some plague rats posted:Actually I can state with exactly as much evidence this would not have happened and they would have been fine I guess, but a lot of politicians in the past have been murdered by weirdos who've worked themselves up into a frenzy.
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Jan 7, 2022 03:34
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Herstory Begins Now posted:they injured something like 150 cops, there clearly was quite a bit of violence What is this based on? What were the injuries? Can you back this up beyond general statements of fact with no supporting evidence? Cops lie all the time
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HashtagGirlboss posted:What is this based on? What were the injuries? Can you back this up beyond general statements of fact with no supporting evidence? Cops lie all the time Ignoring the vastly bloated numbers, they did attack capitol police and media members outside and inside the Capitol, so why would legislators they might corner be a line too far?
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CommieGIR posted:Ignoring the vastly bloated numbers, they did attack capitol police and media members outside and inside the Capitol, so why would legislators they might corner be a line too far? Cops were standing in their way and trying to stop them from where they wanted to. This lead to altercations. Have you ever been at a large protest when cops show up and start trying to do crowd control? Getting in scuffles with cops is just different I remember at the Trump inauguration protest where I live (not DC) a bunch of bike cops showed up out of nowhere by some portable toilets and tried to pick fights with people waiting to go to the bathroom lmao. Not cops in riot gear. Just bike cops. I’m not saying the capitol idiots were in the right, but scuffles with cops don’t necessarily mean the crowd would have killed anyone HashtagGirlboss fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Scuffles with cops at a gathering versus when actively invading a government building including aggressively suppressing police to throw an election seems a tad different scenarios.
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CommieGIR posted:Scuffles with cops at a gathering versus when actively invading a government building including aggressively suppressing police to throw an election seems a tad different scenarios. Gathering isn’t exactly what I’d call it. But maybe my perspective is different. I’ve been in more than a handful of marches and protests that have been declared “riots” and met with a level of force that was not on display on 1/6. Honestly, the cause on1/6 was dumber and the people were not ideologically aligned with me, but their behavior isn’t very different than what I’ve seen in BLM marches, what I saw on the streets the night after Hillary lost, or what I saw the night of trumps inauguration, or really what I saw all of summer of 2020. When crowds and cops mix and the cops are between the crowd and their destination there’s going to be altercations. This doesn’t mean the crowd is a blood thirsty mob with murder on its mind. Cops specifically represent an obstacle and a frustration of what people want. You really can’t extrapolate people mixing it up with cops to a general bloodlust But also and to the original point. You can’t really trust cops when they say cops got injured. It could mean something as stupid as a cop ripped their nail to the quick grabbing at somebody. That’s an injury and it goes right in the tally HashtagGirlboss fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Jan 7, 2022 05:00
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It turns out Harris was in the DNC building where the active pipe bomb was found. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1479209995589799939
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I guess, but a lot of politicians in the past have been murdered by weirdos who've worked themselves up into a frenzy. I get that everyone is having fun goosing themselves with the us politics equivalent of ghost stories, but might be losing sight of the fact that they were a bunch of boat dealers and MLM marketeers from the Midwest, not the black hundreds. When they got inside the building they took selfies, drank beers and then left with the exception of one person who broke a window and got immediately murdered by the police. They had no plan, no greater purpose and seemed surprised to get as far as they did. But if you're as sure as that guy upthread they had every intention of killing representatives, gather up all that evidence you've got and turn it over to the feds. Charging people with misdemeanor parading has got to be embarrassing, I'm sure they'd love to put together come conspiracy murder charges, right?
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CommieGIR posted:Ignoring the vastly bloated numbers, they did attack capitol police and media members outside and inside the Capitol, so why would legislators they might corner be a line too far? How many cops did they kill? How many did they put in the hospital? How many even required medical treatment for their "injuries"?
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some plague rats posted:I get that everyone is having fun goosing themselves with the us politics equivalent of ghost stories, but might be losing sight of the fact that they were a bunch of boat dealers and MLM marketeers from the Midwest, not the black hundreds. When they got inside the building they took selfies, drank beers and then left with the exception of one person who broke a window and got immediately murdered by the police. They had no plan, no greater purpose and seemed surprised to get as far as they did. But if you're as sure as that guy upthread they had every intention of killing representatives, gather up all that evidence you've got and turn it over to the feds. Charging people with misdemeanor parading has got to be embarrassing, I'm sure they'd love to put together come conspiracy murder charges, right? The meat shield, sure, but y'all'qaeda was there too.
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https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1479092365688246273 ironic monuments to fascists are still monuments to fascists god i hate the daily show 
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1479092365688246273 The daily show is trash, no argument there, but ironic monuments to fascists are only monuments to fascists if you live in a world of absolute literalism
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1479092365688246273 This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. What is the liberal obsession woth making your enemies look way cooler than they are??
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HashtagGirlboss posted:The daily show is trash, no argument there, but ironic monuments to fascists are only monuments to fascists if you live in a world of absolute literalism how are these different from sincere monuments for the overwhelming majority of people who will encounter them?
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A big flaming stink posted:how are these different from sincere monuments for the overwhelming majority of people who will encounter them? Sincere monuments wouldn’t be obviously mocking them? I mean these are dumb. It’s stupid performative bullshit. But they’re clearly not meant to be flattering
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Wait until my enemies see these plaques I put up with heroic images of them and quotes saying badass poo poo about overthrowing tyranny. They'll be so owned!
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HashtagGirlboss posted:Sincere monuments wouldn’t be obviously mocking them? I mean these are dumb. It’s stupid performative bullshit. But they’re clearly not meant to be flattering what's obvious about the mocking? you have to go over and read the long tiny text to figure out the sarcastic intent. as i said, for the overwhelming majority of people who interact with them, they will appear to be sincere
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Fortunate Bird posted:Yeah they have a team of writers and that's the most scathing and/or funny stuff they can come up with? I'm not totally against the concept but that execution is trash. This is what you get when you try to go on the offensive but you've already shifted into a defensive crouch. They've come up with a form of mockery that couldn't possibly offend the targets, and at a glance makes them look good, because at the end of the day there's no actual disagreement on principle that would fuel honest anger and derision, it's just distaste over aesthetics
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some plague rats posted:I get that everyone is having fun goosing themselves with the us politics equivalent of ghost stories, but might be losing sight of the fact that they were a bunch of boat dealers and MLM marketeers from the Midwest, not the black hundreds. When they got inside the building they took selfies, drank beers and then left with the exception of one person who broke a window and got immediately murdered by the police. They had no plan, no greater purpose and seemed surprised to get as far as they did. But if you're as sure as that guy upthread they had every intention of killing representatives, gather up all that evidence you've got and turn it over to the feds. Charging people with misdemeanor parading has got to be embarrassing, I'm sure they'd love to put together come conspiracy murder charges, right? I'm just saying that John Hinckley Jr. tried to kill Ronald Reagan to impress Jodie Foster, and James A. Garfield was successfully taken out by a dude who saved all of his own toenails in a big jar. Sometimes some weirdo finds themselves in a position to shoot a politician and takes the shot, and it just feels like statically speaking one of those weirdos would have been in the crowd on 1/6. Obviously no one is getting charged with a murder that didn't happen, nor do I think they should, this is just more of a general statement on human nature and their tendency to kill people when given the chance.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:this is just more of a general statement on human nature and their tendency to kill people when given the chance. This is an unbelievably bleak take on human nature?? Like this is a genuinely dark way to think about your fellow man? It's possible there's someone in that crowd who was disturbed enough to take a shot at a politician given the chance, but "there might have been one genuinely unstable person there, you never know" is a far cry from the earlier refrain of "this horde of rampaging orcs could and definitely would have torn apart a senator with their bare hands, that's the only reason they were there"
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some plague rats posted:This is an unbelievably bleak take on human nature?? Like this is a genuinely dark way to think about your fellow man? I don't think it's bleak, just accurate. People kill other people, it happens everywhere and it happens every day. Anyone can commit a murder and sometimes they do, and that's just how things are and will continue to be forever.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:they injured something like 150 cops, there clearly was quite a bit of violence when will all this cop on cop violence end 
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I don't think it's bleak, just accurate. People kill other people, it happens everywhere and it happens every day. Anyone can commit a murder and sometimes they do, and that's just how things are and will continue to be forever. Okay, but that doesn't mean that the claim that "Pelosi, Omar or AOC would have been torn limb from limb on a livestream by someone had they been found" is substantiated by the evidence that we have. As spr pointed out, we saw where the limit of the rioters' thirst for battle was: one rioter tried to break into the House chamber, got shot dead, and the resolve of even the most motivated of them kinda melted away after that. There may have been a handful of super-duper crazies in the crowd who had the stones to actually kill a legislator or whatever, but most of them didn't. They were mostly just a bunch of dumb fat cowards who got themselves into a frothing rage, and while that's dangerous, it probably would have never led to a George Romero's "Dawn of the Dead"-type scene. e: CommieGIR posted:Ignoring the vastly bloated numbers, they did attack capitol police and media members outside and inside the Capitol, so why would legislators they might corner be a line too far? There's a big difference between attacking someone in a chaotic melee on the one hand, and cold-bloodedly executing another human being while they scream and cry and beg for their lives on the other. Most people, thankfully, don't have the stomach for the latter scenario. Again, maybe a few people on Jan 6 did, but the vast majority of them didn't seem to. Majorian fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I don't think it's bleak, just accurate. People kill other people, it happens everywhere and it happens every day. Anyone can commit a murder and sometimes they do, and that's just how things are and will continue to be forever. It's not really accurate, most people will go their entire lives without murdering someone. Unless they're cops but we've established the cops were, at best, getting completely owned and at worst taking selfies with budget terrorists. some plague rats posted:This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. What is the liberal obsession woth making your enemies look way cooler than they are?? To be fair Obama gets this too and he's the entire concept of the word "liberal" condensed into a single rear end in a top hat. If you went solely by how the right describes him he sounds like the coolest dude in the universe. I think it just comes naturally to people who are massively out-of-touch.
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Again, if it were a serious threat, we would have heard some charges by now. The most powerful people in the world have found no way to show they were in mortal danger and it’s not for lack of trying — charges were already dropped. If you think they were still actually aiming to take them hostage and harm them, you’re only speculating and you’re weirdly more concerned for their safety than they are.
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HashtagGirlboss posted:What is this based on? What were the injuries? Can you back this up beyond general statements of fact with no supporting evidence? Cops lie all the time https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/12/07/capitol-police-lose-200-officers-since-jan-6/6415037001/ '140 were injured and 5 have died since' 140 has been widely reported from more than just police departments, so it seems to be the accepted number. apparently also ~3 dozen severe injuries also https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/domestic-terrorism/556796-more-than-a-dozen-police-officers-still-on there's really zero question that people were attacking cops on a large scale, it's on video from a billion different angles and it's a really weird point to contest Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/12/07/capitol-police-lose-200-officers-since-jan-6/6415037001/ That is according to the police union, says the Washington Post. While I wouldn't entirely discount the number (and there's certainly no doubt that some of the crowd attacked cops, some of them quite brutally), I also wouldn't accept a police union's numbers uncritically, without breaking down the nature and severity of the injuries.
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Majorian posted:That is according to the police union, says the Washington Post. While I wouldn't entirely discount the number (and there's certainly no doubt that some of the crowd attacked cops, some of them quite brutally), I also wouldn't accept a police union's numbers uncritically, without breaking down the nature and severity of the injuries. a lot more sources than just the police union were using the 140 number, p sure the police union guy got it from them and not the other way around.
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