|
Outrail posted:Off the top of my head I'd assume they don't want the competition.  like any random goon would ever really be competing for the same clients as another person. No matter how many people we tell “don’t be a lawyer,” states admit thousands of new attorneys multiple times a year. There are so many lawyers all scrambling for the same garbage rear end no paying jobs. For more, see this instructional video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-UEqJ85KE
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 16:56 |
|
|
I got a lot of satisfaction being a employment plaintiffs lawyer . It’s not all misery and ennui
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:23
|
|
|
The subject matter is still someone who was hurt. They’re not coming to you because of good things in their life. You may find satisfaction in helping them, but it doesn’t change why they’re talking to you in the first place.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:26
|
|
|
euphronius posted:If your goal is a relatively cheap regional law school and then to hang out your own shingle in your home town or something then by all means When the kids these days ask me about going to law school my reply is usually "is one of your parents a judge or partner in a law firm?" Mr. Nice! posted:Being a lawyer is not fun. You deal with miserable poo poo as a matter of daily practice. No one is going to a lawyer with good news. They’re going because they were hurt in some way or are being accused of hurting someone. Every ounce of the job is steeped in misery. The stress you have to deal with is not worth the garbage pay that’s offered. Plus you have to interact with lawyers all day. Who wants that? Working in a public defender's office is nice because all your coworkers are public spirited nice people. I'm very lucky though, very professional office and my county has a pay parity with prosecutors rule so all I have to worry about is overwork and the alcoholism culture. It's still massively stressful though. Long term I'd like to get into some sort of government or in-house work, but I've been saying that for a long time now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:26
|
|
|
Government work can be great . Very small amounts of it and the pay is lol in most cases Except if you are federal. Military service -> JD -> federal attorney isn’t bad. You have to be in the military for awhile which could be horrendous
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:29
|
|
|
Representing plaintiffs against experienced, serial corporate litigants is fighting the good fight, but also extremely draining, because they use anything that worked with a sympathetic or careless judge anywhere in the country to pry the door open a little bit more in your case. They will attempt anything and everything remotely plausible, because it is literally their job in the American system to do so. Opposing counsel briefly got a trial court judge to reject a recent on-point US Supreme Court holding by citing a line taken out of context from a law review article. Law school itself was extremely fun, but the reality (for me) was a small amount of interesting legal research and large amounts of writing long papers the judge may not read carefully. It is small consolation that the judge may also not read the other side's long papers carefully either.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:38
|
|
|
Oh right never take a job with billable hours You have been warned
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:42
|
|
|
I don't know what the gently caress these people are on about. A master's degree in law is a great qualification and a very interesting experience. Law scool is free, it's one of three universities all of which are great and you might even get some hands on experience. Like Toona. The students are usually okay, parties are nice, and you graduate with a prestigious degree that makes you highly qualified for a number of jobs. Sure, it's hard to get an attorney's license, two years of work as an assistant attorney, prosecutor or judge but it's worth it to avoid feeling second rate and for the litigation experience. And if you fail out, hell it was free, a cool experience and social benefits will easily keep you afloat until you decide on something else, and free healthcare is there if you get sick. So, I can hardly see the downside.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 19:59
|
|
|
What if you’re an inherently miserable rear end in a top hat that delights in the suffering of others
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 20:06
|
|
|
bird with big dick posted:What if you’re an inherently miserable rear end in a top hat that delights in the suffering of others Then just get a STEM degree like a normal person
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 21:09
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:On the flip side, I’m much happier as a PhD student than I ever was as a lawyer, and I make 3x what I made as a lawyer. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 21:18
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Oh right never take a job with billable hours To clarify, I think Euph means that this applies to any job, not just law. Billable hours office jobs suck balls.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 21:20
|
|
|
null_pointer posted:Hey, lawyer goons. I know that the knee-jerk response to the question of "should I attend law school?" is pretty much always, haha LOL no. In addition to what everyone else is saying, you will spend a lot of your time not actually doing lawyering, and instead either hustling for clients or fighting over billing. I worked for an insurance defense firm, and while there was pretty much zero hustling, there was constant fighting over billing. Plaintiffs torte work is the opposite, and most other law falls somewhere in between. EDIT: It's been twenty years, but in high school and college I was planning to be a lawyer. I did mock trial, where I met a lot of lawyers, and the ones I interacted the most with all told me the same thing: you'd probably be very good at this, don't do it. It was the late 90s/early 00s, just as the law school glut was getting going, and I went so far as to take the LSAT before I made the correct decision and bailed on law school. The attorneys I worked with weren't making all that much more than I was at the time, worked way more hours, and had waaaaayyy more student debt. I'm sure they're making more now, but I dealt with way less stress and still probably work way fewer hours for not all that much less money in the government sector as a computer toucher. Ham Equity fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 4, 2022 |
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 22:19
|
|
|
null_pointer posted:Hey, lawyer goons. I know that the knee-jerk response to the question of "should I attend law school?" is pretty much always, haha LOL no. would you consider yourself pro-substance abuse
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2022 23:39
|
|
|
These responses have all been excellent - both informative, and depressing. It boggles me that as a goober with fine / liberal arts degrees who stumbled into corporate IT, I probably make more than many lawyers, with a tiny fraction of the stress. Thank you for the replies! I think my next lawyer should get a sampler basket containing Antabuse, Narcan, and methadone.
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 01:10
|
|
|
null_pointer posted:Thank you for the replies! I think my next lawyer should get a sampler basket containing Antabuse, Narcan, and methadone. He or she should, yes, but will still prefer a good bottle of something. Everything everyone said is true. I'm one of those weird lawyers that "won" the lottery, in that I practice in an interesting subfield, don't deal with human tragedy, and work reasonable hours, and I'll still echo them and say don't do it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 01:19
|
|
|
bird with big dick posted:What if you’re an inherently miserable rear end in a top hat that delights in the suffering of others then being a lawyer is pretty fun
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 04:25
|
|
|
null_pointer posted:Hey, lawyer goons. I know that the knee-jerk response to the question of "should I attend law school?" is pretty much always, haha LOL no. I strongly recommend going to law school, any law school, as long as you post about it daily in the lawyer thread. Thanks, we're bored.
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 09:10
|
|
|
I like being a lawyer because I can afford a nice pot filler
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 16:49
|
|
|
Phil Moscowitz posted:I like being a lawyer because I can afford a nice pot filler Some people are saying its the Nicest Pot Filler, the most luxurious Pot Filler, many people, on both sides
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 17:35
|
|
|
I quit an appellate admin law job to be a stay at home dad. Highly recommended
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 18:44
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Government work can be great . Very small amounts of it and the pay is lol in most cases My first real job out of college was for the state (environmental control agency) and I worked very closely with an environmental lawyer, the head of our enforcement team, who was one of the most amazing people I've ever known. But yeah you don't work state government at all for the size of the paycheck (though you might for the benefits) and I'm sure that goes triple if you're a lawyer.
|
|
#
?
Jan 5, 2022 23:56
|
|
|
I'm a state government lawyer. Pay is ~1/3 of my big law classmates (and the gap is only going to grow), but I have great union benefits, 35 hr/week schedule, good office culture, and get to do civil litigation against, generally speaking, entities that deserve it. If you do want to go into the public interest, look into what law schools you can get into and what their public interest/loan forgiveness program is though. I have a recent Harvard law grad coworker who's up to their eyeballs in loan repayments, because Harvard is a complete skinflint and doesn't want their grads doing public interest. Other schools have much better public interest loan programs or much lower costs.
|
|
#
?
Jan 6, 2022 16:20
|
|
|
The federal one is 10 years if you jump threw some hoops.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 01:18
|
|
|
I almost hate to mention it, but you can work for the state or feds and get the same benefits and decent pay WITHOUT becoming an attorney.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 07:13
|
|
|
Thesaurus posted:I almost hate to mention it, but you can work for the state or feds and get the same benefits and decent pay WITHOUT becoming an attorney. Yeah, but you have to a cop unless you have a terminal degree or are upper managment.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 10:13
|
|
|
You are in a gym, and someone asks you where to get steroids from. You tell him the website but you link him specifically to your affiliate code that offers monetary rewards Is this against the law?
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 17:15
|
|
|
Starpluck posted:You are in a
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 18:12
|
|
|
Starpluck posted:You are in a
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 20:48
|
|
|
Starpluck posted:You are in a gym, and someone asks you where to get steroids from. You tell him the website but you link him specifically to your affiliate code that offers monetary rewards This is a better question for a private defense attorney in your jurisdiction. You might need to pay them some money. Good luck.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 21:20
|
|
|
What the hot take from our Lawyers here on the Supreme Court agreements for Biden's vaccine mandates? Doesn't look like the conservatives like it that much...
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 22:01
|
|
|
What's the website?
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 23:00
|
|
|
daslog posted:What the hot take from our Lawyers here on the Supreme Court agreements for Biden's vaccine mandates? Doesn't look like the conservatives like it that much... If I was betting, I’d bet on the OSHA one going down and the CMMS one being permitted.
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 23:25
|
|
|
daslog posted:What the hot take from our Lawyers here on the Supreme Court agreements for Biden's vaccine mandates? Doesn't look like the conservatives like it that much... all the lawyers here have covid so we're a little busy
|
|
#
?
Jan 7, 2022 23:28
|
|
|
Is it legal for me to establish a trust that turns into a tontine for my beneficiaries upon my death, with the quirk that the principle of the trust is awarded to the last living survivor? Would that survivor get around the laws that generally state you can’t inherit from someone you have murdered since they would have murdered another beneficiary and not the person they are inheriting from? It is very important to me that only the strongest of my issue survive.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 03:01
|
|
|
therobit posted:Is it legal for me to establish a trust that turns into a tontine for my beneficiaries upon my death, with the quirk that the principle of the trust is awarded to the last living survivor? Would that survivor get around the laws that generally state you can’t inherit from someone you have murdered since they would have murdered another beneficiary and not the person they are inheriting from? It is very important to me that only the strongest of my issue survive. Wills and trusts are really jurisdiction dependent, you'll need to talk to a local lawyer to figure out how to do this kind of detailed estate planning.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 03:05
|
|
|
sullat posted:Wills and trusts are really jurisdiction dependent, you'll need to talk to a local lawyer to figure out how to do this kind of detailed estate planning. Is there anything more broadly applicable if I instead want to force them into a competition of strength, cunning, guile, and ruthlessness that will leave all but one of them dead?
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 03:26
|
|
|
Yeah but your solicitor has to read the will to all of them at once in a room with a lit fireplace overhung with your painted portrait. Thankfully the club chair are no longer required since the latest statutory update.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 04:13
|
|
|
Nobody is going to fight over your collection of beanie babies.
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 04:26
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 16:56 |
|
|
I will
|
|
#
?
Jan 10, 2022 04:35
|
|