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Niric posted:Somewhere in deepest, darkest Didcot, there's a ceiling ablaze with colour, with bold experiments in composition, with historically literate but endlessly playful engagement with signs and signifiers, enough for centuries of critical interpretation and reinterpretation. Give it a couple of centuries and you'll have a small army of art critics furiously lecturing you on how it's not porn, it's artistic nudity. Seriously, I think that art historians drastically underestimate how many of those lovingly-detailed pictures of gods and saints frolicking with nymphs and cherubs (or, indeed, getting sexily martyred) were just specially-commissioned fetish art.
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serious gaylord posted:There's much better posters about tennis who can tell you the full story and they can even throw in Nadals knee issues that have a lot in common with competition body builders. Djokovic stands out to me in the same way Froome does in the cycling world. Both had 'undiagnosed' health problems that were simultaneously mild enough to prevent them from being elite sportsmen in endurance heavy disciplines but when cured elevated them to the 99.9% of performers.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Look, furry porn has really put the art world into stress testing. If you can't spit out passable cell shaded full figures for £30 a go then you're going to be outpriced. As someone who swims in these waters I want to emphasise that this isn't hyperbole. There's a lot of talented but naive artists who do commission work that severely undervalue their work and it drives down the market prices considerably. Most people balk at the idea of paying what a piece is actually worth and will simply go elsewhere. The Big Spenders of the furry commissioning world either want someone with a very established reputation and appropriate talent if they're looking for a new way to spend or else are already in comfortable client / artist relationships already and don't feel the need to spend their money elsewhere. Similarly, companies that exist outside of the arts spheres also critically undervalue art. It's not a career you take up if you want to make mad bank. It's a grind and there's a reason the, "Starving Artist," stereotype exists.
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Darth Walrus posted:Seriously, I think that art historians drastically underestimate how many of those lovingly-detailed pictures of gods and saints frolicking with nymphs and cherubs (or, indeed, getting sexily martyred) were just specially-commissioned fetish art. Tesla was right posted:I think that's less representative of reality, and more representative of artists being horny for shepherdess feet.
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Flayer posted:While tennis obviously rewards endurance and strength it is still ultimately a sport that is decided on skill with the racket. Nadal and Djokovic are both supremely talented tennis players and no amount of doping affects that. I suppose the one person who could be aggrieved if all the doping allegations are true is Andy Murray, who in his prime was just as good as Federer/Djokovic/Nadal. Murray's prime was a lot shorter however and that could well be explained if he was the only one not doping. it's wild that the thread full of tennis cynics is resting on andy murray as being the one good guy; he was absolutely not on the level and his foreshortened career and hosed joints are a consequence of that. at the peak of his run the french press were more or less openely accusing him of doping his is a saint in the uk along with our many other athletes who made it to the top via grit, hard work and good old fashioned fair play such as wiggo, chris hoy, mo farah etc to pick a few purely at random
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Rustybear posted:it's wild that the thread full of tennis cynics is resting on andy murray as being the one good guy; he was absolutely not on the level and his foreshortened career and hosed joints are a consequence of that. at the peak of his run the french press were more or less openely accusing him of doping At the peak of his career, when he was regularly beating all the best French players, the French accused him of doping? Well I never.
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The fact that the company didn't jump straight to payment in Exposure Bucks is already a huge leap above what most independent artists get offered for one-off jobs.therattle posted:Totally agree. 15 days at 8 hours a day is 120 hours. For a skilled artist you are talking about an hourly rate of £100, so closer to £12k would be my opening. I know it's supposed to be an opening offer, but in art terms £12k for a one-off job is billionaire sugar daddy amounts; good on you if you can find someone willing to pay it, but the idea that this is a normal amount to open negotiations with is absolute eye-popping insanity. There was a big discussion some time back about the commission prices one of the real big hitters was charging for furry art, and I think even that was around the $3k mark.
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Jedit posted:At the peak of his career, when he was regularly beating all the best French players, the French accused him of doping? Well I never. believe what you want; if that happens to be 'our plucky brit beat all those dastardly roided up foregners through skill and gamesmanship' then so be it Rustybear fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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as ever, if a clean athlete can consistently beat a dirty one at the elite level; why care at all?
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Rustybear posted:it's wild that the thread full of tennis cynics is resting on andy murray as being the one good guy; he was absolutely not on the level and his foreshortened career and hosed joints are a consequence of that. at the peak of his run the french press were more or less openely accusing him of doping
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Darth Walrus posted:Give it a couple of centuries and you'll have a small army of art critics furiously lecturing you on how it's not porn, it's artistic nudity. Bolsover castle is literally this. From 1665 onwards William Cavendish decorated the little castle into a drugs whores and men's club gently caress palace which is not something English heritage likes to dwell on in it's literature and the art on the website is heavily cropped, because it's all porn. e: https://youruniversity.group.shef.ac.uk/2018-2019/research/secrets-of-bolsover-castle-revealed/ loving lol "The theme of the paintings was magical transformation, love and virtue. The artworks were intended to be interactive and multisensory. As Dr Stevens explained, “Visitors could imagine that they moved in and out of curious painted worlds during banquets and bespoke amateur shows that featured music, dancing and dressing up – it was an early form of virtual reality. The site was used by the Cavendish family and their high-ranking friends for personal engagement with imitation and role play in the pursuit of both pleasure and virtue, encouraged by the paintings.”"
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Guavanaut posted:Is that better or worse than a Mesopotamian creation myth rehashed for European sensibilities in a way that shows off how many protractors the artist owned? This is nonsense. Protractors weren't available in the Renaissance, first proposed by Albert N'gel, Comte de Protractéur, in his prize winning essay Réflexions sur la pratique de couper correctement le pain et la viande empilés (1757) Darth Walrus posted:Give it a couple of centuries and you'll have a small army of art critics furiously lecturing you on how it's not porn, it's artistic nudity. Wasn't this basically a whole Something Awful subforum?
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Flayer posted:Lewis Shamilton is also a doper!!!!!1 The drugs let you see the secret third pedal called 'Bottas'.
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Failed Imagineer posted:another long digression on how the Brits are simultaneously too servile but also masters of colonial subjugation how long can a thread title be
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runwiled posted:As someone who swims in these waters I want to emphasise that this isn't hyperbole. There's a lot of talented but naive artists who do commission work that severely undervalue their work and it drives down the market prices considerably. Most people balk at the idea of paying what a piece is actually worth and will simply go elsewhere. The Big Spenders of the furry commissioning world either want someone with a very established reputation and appropriate talent if they're looking for a new way to spend or else are already in comfortable client / artist relationships already and don't feel the need to spend their money elsewhere. ... nobody?
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Hunger is hunger, but the hunger that bolts down raw meat with the aid of hand, nail and tooth is a different hunger from that which draws a big titty lady dragon eating diaper-wearing baby Sonic with knife and fork.
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Rustybear posted:it's wild that the thread full of tennis cynics is resting on andy murray as being the one good guy; he was absolutely not on the level and his foreshortened career and hosed joints are a consequence of that. at the peak of his run the french press were more or less openely accusing him of doping TBH if you aren't doping then you just don't want to win. Which is fine, but the constant handwringing about it is so loving boring. If Chris Froome was injected amphetamines directly into his eyeballs & getting blood transfusions from specially bred mountain goats, he still has to ride 200km over big mountains that I'd die walking up. Floyd Landis absolutely ripping the piss out of the Tour, dropping 8 minutes on one day & then miraculously recovering to win the following day by nearly 6 minutes was loving impressive regardless if he had more testosterone in his bloodstream than haemoglobin. Although obviously it goes without saying that Chris Hoy & Andy Murray both aren't dopers, because they just come from the superior Scottish genetic stock, a nation of athletes if only we didn't discover deepfried food, fags & bevvy.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The fact that the company didn't jump straight to payment in Exposure Bucks is already a huge leap above what most independent artists get offered for one-off jobs. Can I just say that when I asked the original question to which rattle was replying, it wasn't about furry porn, it was about a relative of mine who has been asked to do artwork for a commercial company (who have used her before and who she woefully undercharged!) and, I've just checked, whose senior boardroom members received salaries of over £200k and other benefits (pensions etc) bringing total income EACH to well over £300k! We're not talking skint furries here!
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Niric posted:Somewhere in deepest, darkest Didcot, there's a ceiling ablaze with colour, with bold experiments in composition, with historically literate but endlessly playful engagement with signs and signifiers, enough for centuries of critical interpretation and reinterpretation. Decades, nay centuries, from now the ceiling becomes famous. Tourists flock from the world over to marvel at this piece of art. Tours are conducted and information freely given. One day a doctor comes in. Man? Woman? Who is to say. All we know is they have healing hands, and have devoted their life to curing the bodies of others. They go to see this artwork to relax. But as they look at it, they can't help but make an observation. It seems ludicrous to them. Surely I can't be seeing this. It's so obvious, everyone else must have seen it to. But no, nobody else has made this comment. Something so obvious in hindsight. They say it outloud and it changes everything. It adds a new depth to the subject-matter, moving from the divine metaphor of the art to an obvious link to the physical world and the human body. Something that forever changes the way this artwork is views. "Is the background in the shape of a dick and balls?"
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The fact that the company didn't jump straight to payment in Exposure Bucks is already a huge leap above what most independent artists get offered for one-off jobs. I’m out of touch with that world nowadays, but in the early 20-teens the (then?) most expensive piece of (clean) furry art so far sold at auction for north of £4000. Coincidentally Facebook reminded me yesterday the artist behind it died a year ago. Shame- he was a really cool dude; non-creepy and one of the nicest people I knew in my fandom experience.
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Addendum to earlier post: I shall eventually be ripping my CIAM DVDs with AnyDVD+MakeMKV, transferring the resulting Matroska files to a Kingston DataTraveler Micro 32GB (DTMCK/32GB) and playing them back using the media player app in my TV. So, please update your XLSXs accordingly - while enjoying your Netflix subscription perhaps? Let's Run This Joke Into The Ground Oops Too Late
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Can I just say that when I asked the original question to which rattle was replying, it wasn't about furry porn, it was about a relative of mine who has been asked to do artwork for a commercial company (who have used her before and who she woefully undercharged!) and, I've just checked, whose senior boardroom members received salaries of over £200k and other benefits (pensions etc) bringing total income EACH to well over £300k! We're not talking skint furries here! Get your mate to rinse them. My company recently paid 2 management consultants a grand a week each for about 3 months and they literally did gently caress all (didn't even try to fire anyone or anything), just sat in a meeting room and hosed about with a spreadsheet (which I had to build for them). If they can afford 200k salaries for execs then they can pay market rate for graphic design.
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Only Kindness posted:Addendum to earlier post: I shall eventually be ripping my CIAM DVDs with AnyDVD+MakeMKV, transferring the resulting Matroska files to a Kingston DataTraveler Micro 32GB (DTMCK/32GB) and playing them back using the media player app in my TV. I bought a bunch of 32GB micro sd cards for that very purpose when travelling (32GB being the most versatile across my various gadgets) so I can take the entire Xena Warrior Princess 6 series, various other complete 'box sets' eg Person of Interest, numerous films and ebooks around with me. I've over 300 films on my harddrive so one of my resolutions this year is to watch 3 a week (with a random number generator to pick which ones so I don't keep starting at A and never getting any further) for the next 2 years so I'll have watched them all. keep punching joe posted:Get your mate to rinse them. My company recently paid 2 management consultants a grand a week each for about 3 months and they literally did gently caress all (didn't even try to fire anyone or anything), just sat in a meeting room and hosed about with a spreadsheet (which I had to build for them). I've told her to go in at £12k but I know she won't. We'll see! But that annoyed the crap out of me when I worked for the NHS. It was the beginning of trusts and a community trust split off from the health authority. At the time I was the only person in the HA doing my particular role involving the estate. The community trust (who had a notion that once you got the freehold of land/property you could do whatever you liked and so we were constantly having to pay specialized consultants to bail them out from ploughing up sites of special scientific interest etc - but I digress - wanted a property portfolio document drawing up. They paid a consultant £60k to do it. The consultant came over to my office,, talked through the land/property with me giving her a floppy disk with all the gen about wayleaves, restrictive covenants, leases, sub-leases etc, typed it out and put it in a fancy cover. £60k. I said to the CEO of the trust, that was all my work and for the price of a day of my salary (very far south of £60k) you could have had all that. "Oh" says he, "but noone would have believed you because you're public sector." Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Only Kindness posted:Addendum to earlier post: I shall eventually be ripping my CIAM DVDs with AnyDVD+MakeMKV, transferring the resulting Matroska files to a Kingston DataTraveler Micro 32GB (DTMCK/32GB) and playing them back using the media player app in my TV. Does your TV support HEVC H.265 over H.264? That's a lot of room to be wasting on inefficient compression otherwise.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Can I just say that when I asked the original question to which rattle was replying, it wasn't about furry porn, it was about a relative of mine who has been asked to do artwork for a commercial company (who have used her before and who she woefully undercharged!) and, I've just checked, whose senior boardroom members received salaries of over £200k and other benefits (pensions etc) bringing total income EACH to well over £300k! We're not talking skint furries here! I guess if it was me I'd estimate how long the job is going to take in hours, work out what I think an hour of my time is worth in pounds (keeping taxes and other deductibles in mind), then multiply the two together. As others (and yourself) have mentioned, artists often woefully underestimate what they should be paid for work, which is bad for everyone. I worry that the only reason the company have approached her is because she was cheap as chips the first time, but there's no reason to make one bad decision responsible for another. Also, furries as a group are loving loaded. They will pay obscene amounts for obscenity, which has kept quite a few artists on hard times alive if not particularly sane.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Can I just say that when I asked the original question to which rattle was replying, it wasn't about furry porn, it was about a relative of mine who has been asked to do artwork for a commercial company (who have used her before and who she woefully undercharged!) and, I've just checked, whose senior boardroom members received salaries of over £200k and other benefits (pensions etc) bringing total income EACH to well over £300k! We're not talking skint furries here! skint or not, you don't know that they're not furries 
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forkboy84 posted:TBH if you aren't doping then you just don't want to win. Which is fine, but the constant handwringing about it is so loving boring. If Chris Froome was injected amphetamines directly into his eyeballs & getting blood transfusions from specially bred mountain goats, he still has to ride 200km over big mountains that I'd die walking up. Floyd Landis absolutely ripping the piss out of the Tour, dropping 8 minutes on one day & then miraculously recovering to win the following day by nearly 6 minutes was loving impressive regardless if he had more testosterone in his bloodstream than haemoglobin. cheating is one of the most entertaining parts of any sport, the theatre of acting shocked and angry when it inevitably comes out is also, very fun.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Can I just say that when I asked the original question to which rattle was replying, it wasn't about furry porn, it was about a relative of mine who has been asked to do artwork for a commercial company (who have used her before and who she woefully undercharged!) and, I've just checked, whose senior boardroom members received salaries of over £200k and other benefits (pensions etc) bringing total income EACH to well over £300k! We're not talking skint furries here! I'm also guessing people don't spend 15 days on a single piece of furry porn.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:cheating is one of the most entertaining parts of any sport, the theatre of acting shocked and angry when it inevitably comes out is also, very fun. *guy on my team falls on the ground, writhing in pretend agony*: that's some good gamesmanship there, state of the modern game innit *guy on the other team falls on the ground, writhing in pretend agony*: Fucko I will kill your whole family u garbage bitch
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Failed Imagineer posted:skint or not, you don't know that they're not furries Maybe I should get her to say "I know you're secret furries, give me £12k for my art"
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm also guessing people don't spend 15 days on a single piece of furry porn. Not creating it, no
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Mr Incredible and his mates solemnly walking from the pub to defend the war memorial from antifa. In other news, system working as intended. https://twitter.com/Nadine_Writes/status/1479136001952002059
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Failed Imagineer posted:Not creating it, no God your dick must be worn down to a nub if you've been at it for 15 days straight
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:God your dick must be worn down to a nub if you've been at it for 15 days straight It was always a nub
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