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Reveilled posted:I think I paid $225 for a full body portrait of my D&D Character, and since the guy was streaming the process I know it took him about 7 hours, so that's a little over $32 an hour. That to me felt like a fair wage for skilled work. That seems low to me, assuming they’re self employed drawing stuff. Have to subtract for tax, pension etc perhaps.
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Ah dang they got us, the statue erected to launder a slave trader's reputation a hundred years after his death is from the past and therefore it would be historical revisionism to remove it.
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https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1479378640324419589?t=OpAZsmOnMwJxOM8nkRRScg&s=19 A good taking apart of the Spectator article on the Colston verdict.
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https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1479378720137920513 I would bet money that at least one of my learned friends (in that they are every bit as much a barrister as I am) behind that Spectator article believed that Tony Martin was reasonable and justified in thinking there were ninja assassins or whatever on his farm when he shot those intruders. But of course their values are just common sense, and it's only 'values' when it's someone else doing it.
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Barry Foster posted:"I know him/her personally" usually Me too, and to be honest I think that’s a good thing. If we didn’t all make allowances for the people we’re close to I suspect the world would be an even darker place.
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Jan 7, 2022 17:02
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killerwhat posted:That seems low to me, assuming they’re self employed drawing stuff. Have to subtract for tax, pension etc perhaps. Also if you're self-employed, you also have to do all that marketing etc that if you're in employment your employer's business does for you. It costs my relative upwards of £1300 for a stall for 3 days at an exhibition (it is the best exhibition in the UK for her type of work) let alone the cost of hiring a van to take her stuff and overnight stays. (And they charge sole trader businesses which my relative is exactly the same as Megacorp Inc.) Suffice to say she has not earned enough to actually pay tax any year for the past 10 years at least let alone even think about pensions! (She has a number of health conditions: heart, epilepsy, PTSD, which make holding down a regular job just about impossible even if there were any jobs round here that weren't physically demanding).
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Jan 7, 2022 17:06
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I'm also guessing people don't spend 15 days on a single piece of furry porn. Considering how much the suits cost, and how some of them come equipped for loving, I would not be sure about that.
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Guavanaut posted:https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1479378720137920513 Fun fact: In the English legal system you can refer to a fellow lawyer as a Learned Friend or College. Where as in Ireland if you are a lawyer it only counts towards Solicitors. (I have seen more than one occasion where a newly minted Barrister in a speech will refer to their opposite number as "my learned friend" only for the more experienced Judge to remind them that is only a method of reference between solicitors.) Barristers in court are supposed to just refer to each other as friend.
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Jan 7, 2022 17:16
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The COVID numbers over the last three days have been loving awful. Two or three hundred dead a day (when it was averaging about a hundred before Christmas) and the number of infected is worse than it has ever been
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Harriet Harman's husband who was apparently also a Labour MP has died. By-election to follow, presumably uncontested due to a death?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1479378640324419589?t=OpAZsmOnMwJxOM8nkRRScg&s=19 thing is we know the spectator is more fash than even the mail or express the crypto in their crypto-fash has been refined down to a single quanta you don't really 'take apart' these people unless you mean very literally with a combine harvester. They're just playing games while waiting for society to fall apart to the point where they can stop pretending they're not sadistic ghouls getting ready to murder certain sections of society.
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Gort posted:The COVID numbers over the last three days have been loving awful. Two or three hundred dead a day (when it was averaging about a hundred before Christmas) and the number of infected is worse than it has ever been Yup. Hold tight goons use FFP2 masks or respirators
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Jan 7, 2022 18:14
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's a weird self reinforcing rationale; they pay for the work because it has value, and the proof that the work is valuable is that it costs so much. I get where you're coming from but I think this is the wrong approach in this case. It's not a bad idea to get a starting point in terms of time taken when you're doing some casual or informal work for a friend or at least an individual person. But that's not what Jaeluni's relative is negotiating. She's being asked by a business to provide some art which that business is then going to use to make money. They're explicitly not offering to pay her an hourly rate or retainer for temporary or long term employment. Therefore, the value of the work she produces has very little to do with the time taken, and an hourly rate is misleading. Let's say this work is to be used as the cornerstone of a marketing campaign which is expected to bring in £500k in revenue per year to this business. She's not providing the entire marketing campaign itself but she is providing a critical component of it. If she doesn't ask for a proportionate slice of that revenue, then the company is going to take that money instead as profit, and she's being exploited. It's an understandable reaction to think that most people don't earn anywhere near £100/hr (if that's what it works out to) and therefore it's greedy, but she can charge as much or as little as she wants and it's not going to have any effect whatsoever on the hourly earnings even of those who work on the rest of the marketing campaign. She isn't negotiating with the other workers, she's negotiating with the (presumably privately-owned) business. If anything, taking more money from the business is showing more solidarity with workers, not less, because actual labour is being compensated rather than that money going to profit to be skimmed.
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I, for one, think it was criminal to bring that statue of saddam down too. It's erasure. And besides he did a wonderful job with the autobahns
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Gort posted:The COVID numbers over the last three days have been loving awful. Two or three hundred dead a day (when it was averaging about a hundred before Christmas) and the number of infected is worse than it has ever been There's a *lot* of noise in the death numbers because of the holidays. The 7-day death rate hasn't moved much at all:  and don't forget that number is "Deaths within 28 days of a positive test" - the "with, not of" beloved of conspiracy theorists, but it is actually a relevant distinction to make when all of a sudden there's 300% more infected people knocking about. The number of people on ventilation is actually *dropping* nationwide:  Don't forget too that the sheer speed of the spread means that looking at things nationwide is actually deceptive because some parts of the country only really got going with Omicron in Christmas week while London case numbers were going up with the tinsel. Crossposting what I just put in the covid thread: Speaking of no bright horizon - looks like my optimism over London case numbers was misplaced:  It probably *is* still trending down - Christmas and New Years introduced both a lot of noise into the numbers and of course a lot of extra cases - but not as fast as I was expecting. With schools going back (and people returning to work) we might even see things go back up next week. The only slight reason for optimism is - a month in now - the numbers on ventilators have still barely moved:  and while deaths have increased a little they're low enough that it's a very small signal to pick out of the noise:  Don't forget these are just deaths within 28 days of a positive test (our old friend with, not of), and I don't know enough statistics to account for how much of this increase is due to a much larger pool of infected people dying of other things (there's a couple of weeks lag for death certificate data to make its way up the system, which is the whole reason for the deaths within 28 days stat existing).
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Scikar posted:Let's say this work is to be used as the cornerstone of a marketing campaign which is expected to bring in £500k in revenue per year to this business. She's not providing the entire marketing campaign itself but she is providing a critical component of it. If she doesn't ask for a proportionate slice of that revenue, then the company is going to take that money instead as profit, and she's being exploited.
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Given what some utter lunatics in businesses have paid me happily to do in the past and considered a great achievement, you generally need to adjust your kleptoeffluentometer a bit when dealing with businesses.
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sebzilla posted:Harriet Harman's husband who was apparently also a Labour MP has died. Deaths are fair game unless it's a murder. Tories might have had a shout last year but given their current polling it should be an easy Labour win.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That makes sense, but then that's where a flat fee with an hourly rate would be a better way of implementing that. I think I'm just picking though because £100 an hour just feels like taking the piss to me. It absolutely does, within our society the working class are very strongly encouraged to feel this way! But in this case, who is the piss being taken out of? Who benefits? If you think it's somehow immoral to take too much money per hour, you can always donate the excess to charity after you get paid. Surely that's better than just leaving the excess money to the business owner's profits to let them decide? e: and yeah there are definitely going to be better ways of structuring the payment. As Jaeluni said, licensing fees need to be negotiated in addition to the fee for the work itself. It's hard to work out how much it's all worth because the business are certainly not going to share all of their working and profit calculations for it in advance, or even the budget they've allocated for the artwork itself. They absolutely have allocated a budget though, and have decided that this project as a whole is profitable enough to proceed with that budget in mind. Therefore the upper limit of that budget is the minimum that she should be aiming for, given that it almost certainly underestimates the value of the work. She can't know that figure for sure and might not actually get it in the end, but why ask for less? Scikar fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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sebzilla posted:Harriet Harman's husband who was apparently also a Labour MP has died. the Chesham and Amersham by-election happened because the Tory incumbent popped her clogs
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Scikar posted:It absolutely does, within our society the working class are very strongly encouraged to feel this way! But in this case, who is the piss being taken out of? Who benefits? https://twitter.com/elliemaeohagan/status/1479080594399186948 https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1479088316695945219 https://twitter.com/sykes_photo/status/1479081812236382215
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Gort posted:The COVID numbers over the last three days have been loving awful. Two or three hundred dead a day (when it was averaging about a hundred before Christmas) and the number of infected is worse than it has ever been I don't want to get on my usual bullshit about pandemic stuff here because it's obviously not appreciated by a lot of the people ITT and we all just end up pissing each other off. But I will make one brief exception here, just because someone might find some small comfort in it, and say please, please, please look a bit more deeply into the figures before preparing for the apocalypse. Yes, the cases numbers seem terrifying, but if you look at deaths we're still on a tiny fraction of what we were last year. 100-200/day is obviously lovely, but we were getting on for 1500/day last January. Hospitalisations are also only about half of what they were then, and it looks like people getting admitted aren't usually as critical - we have about 1/4 the number of people on ventilators as we did over the last peak. And it does look like this will peak soon. Cases in London, which was the hotspot, are already levelling off (even if they're not dropping as quickly as Twisto hoped they might). The rest of the country will do the same sooner or later. I totally understand why people are anxious, but there genuinely are silver linings in the data we can cling to for a bit of hope. Everyone should do whatever they need to do for their own mental health, but it always seems darkest before the dawn and all that. e: fb ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Julio Cruz posted:the Chesham and Amersham by-election happened because the Tory incumbent popped her clogs Oh yeah. Starmer's yet to have an "easy win" so let's see how he gets on. Maybe he'll concede that the Lib Dems are best placed to challenge the Tories.
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no one has really cleared up what the "plus licensing fees" bit means? Like on a per use basis? Like if they are printing it on t shirts you get 50p a go? And the for "use in many different ways". Like, these seem the important bits and how are they going to be managed? Seems like you'd maybe even need a lawyer or something to draw up a contract or look over theirs.
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Yes well *I* took the risk to start a business*** therefore I deserve my riches. People should simply start their own businesses if they want to be wealthy. ***which I was empowered to do with the safety net of my rich parents.
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If you want it enough it will happen, also life isn't fair and I have extremely important opinions on trans people to share with you.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:no one has really cleared up what the "plus licensing fees" bit means? Like on a per use basis? Like if they are printing it on t shirts you get 50p a go? Well yeah, but there's not much to be said until the company reveals what the intended use is. Like there's no point in trying to calculate how much she should charge for a license that allows them to use the artwork in a TV advert if they aren't intending to do any TV advertising. And I have zero sense of what's reasonable for that either. I get the feeling the company will try to sidestep this by just asking for an unlimited license for a fixed fee though.
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OwlFancier posted:If you want it enough it will happen, also life isn't fair and I have extremely important opinions on trans people to share with you. Like say I want Prince Andrew's dick and balls to explode like one of those novelty cigars and he presumably does not, do we have to super saiyan it out on the cosmic plane for the fate of his chode?
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I mean it's a fundamentally nonsense idea and the people who believe it aren't actually reasoning it out, they believe it and say it because it's something to say that makes them feel better, like a magic spell. "Thought terminating cliche" is I think the technical term for it though I think in this instance it also describes a fundamentally different idea of how the world works, deep down, but because we live in a society where you generally can't just say you believe in magic, that view has to get sort of mangled back into something that vaguely maybe looks like rationality if you squint and tilt your head. But it doesn't actually make reasoned sense and doesn't have to, there just has to be a link between belieiving it and the believer feeling better about themselves somehow, any thought can come afterwards.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's a weird self reinforcing rationale; they pay for the work because it has value, and the proof that the work is valuable is that it costs so much. There is just so much wrong with this that I think you should take a step back and rethink your outlook. What you are saying basically boils down to the fact you don't think this person should be paid what their work is worth due to some arbitrary number you've made up in your head that 'feels like its taking the piss' because minimum wage jobs exist? That's not the fault of a craftsperson who has often spent decades of their lives working to get the level of skill they have. All of that learning, all of that effort is reflected in their charges. I know a furniture maker who charges near £300 an hour and they deserve to get paid that much because they've spent 30 years learning to do what they do and their work is absolutely breathtaking. Reading through your posts make me think you'd be one of those people that were expecting Ikea pricing when he gets approached for custom work since you just cant seem to understand the fundamental value of their skill.
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I mean if I spend 30 years doing my job I also am very, very good at it at the end of that, but I would still be paid minimum wage for it, so i don't know that that is the best argument in the world. I would generally instead suggest that just minimum wage is severely underpaying everybody. The disconnect, I think, would stem from that at £100 (never mind £300) an hour, there is literally no quality of craft that could possibly be worth that to me, because to me that's many hours of my life for a moment of their time. So i simply do not, and will not ever, buy art or furniture of that kind, because it would be insane for me to do that. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Trying to work out the true value of something in an inherently flawed framework of capitalism is like trying to achieve socialism by using the laws and rules set up within the framework of capitalism. I realise that's not helpful. Anyway: https://twitter.com/BP_Cena/status/1479497971171573762?s=20
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kingturnip posted:Another reason a craftsperson charges £100 per hour is because they're unlikely to be working full-time and the money they charge has to pay for the time they're not working. Yeah same for like, wedding photographers.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean if I spend 30 years doing my job I also am very, very good at it at the end of that, but I would still be paid minimum wage for it, so i don't know that that is the best argument in the world. I would generally instead suggest that just minimum wage is severely underpaying everybody. If someone could make 4 chairs in an hour, with material you gave them, would you buy one for 25quid?
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kingturnip posted:Another reason a craftsperson charges £100 per hour is because they're unlikely to be working full-time and the money they charge has to pay for the time they're not working. Them lazy buggers just need to work fulltime then 
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