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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Effectively the outcome appears to be the same. I guess one could argue that “we’ll never know” but the results are: I feel like this poo poo is disingenuous since when Trump was in office there was only the initial version going around while under Biden two extremely transmissible variants came around (neither of which appeared in the US to start) That doesn't mean there isn't an argument that Biden should have done better, but at the very least you're comparing apples to oranges with stuff like this and should qualify it in your statements
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Bel Shazar posted:What am I foisting? I haven't suggested anyone do anything different though I have hinted at mask compliance once. Maybe you have me confused with someone else? I agree we need a massive improvement in covid response from the top down. 100%. Being willfully unvaccinated is personally unconscionable. Fair enough, and I apologize if I came on too strong there. You're not wrong, but expecting Americans not to be stupid and selfish is kind of like wishing the sky green; it's practically built into modern society. And it sucks.
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Jan 7, 2022 19:17
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I got an email from a higher-up summarizing a meeting (that I didn't attend), where apparently we were told not to use N-95 masks (which are for medical/health professionals), but instead use KN-95 masks, which are "easier to obtain a good fit with". Sigh.
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Professor Beetus posted:Fair enough, and I apologize if I came on too strong there. You're not wrong, but expecting Americans not to be stupid and selfish is kind of like wishing the sky green; it's practically built into modern society. And it sucks. Yeah sadly I have no clue how to make people be less lovely... e: well, I can think of a few but they all require lots of violence so I can't see how that's an option either
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Jan 7, 2022 19:20
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eXXon posted:I got an email from a higher-up summarizing a meeting (that I didn't attend), where apparently we were told not to use N-95 masks (which are for medical/health professionals), but instead use KN-95 masks, which are "easier to obtain a good fit with". just wear n95 and tell them it is a kn95.
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Jan 7, 2022 19:21
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Levitate posted:I feel like this poo poo is disingenuous since when Trump was in office there was only the initial version going around while under Biden two extremely transmissible variants came around (neither of which appeared in the US to start) When trump was in office, there werent vaccines available either. If Biden had taken action against the variants but still failed, you'd have a point. They did essentially nothing despite having weeks of leadtime to prepare.
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Jan 7, 2022 19:25
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Spacebump posted:just wear n95 and tell them it is a kn95. I'm a desk jockey and not going in anytime soon, especially since another part of the guidance was that it's okay to go maskless in a shared office as long as you have a cubicle with three tall walls. Tzen posted:Buy 3m 9205+ Aura N95 Particulate Respirators from the Home Depot paint aisle. Tell them you got it from the paint aisle in Home Depot. I have some already (from Amazon), but I think it's ridiculous that they're essentially telling people not to get them when last I checked they were still in stock at the local Home Depot. But then they're also saying that it's fine to lecture maskless as long as you're 6 feet away. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Jan 7, 2022 19:27
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eXXon posted:I got an email from a higher-up summarizing a meeting (that I didn't attend), where apparently we were told not to use N-95 masks (which are for medical/health professionals), but instead use KN-95 masks, which are "easier to obtain a good fit with". Tzen fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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dwarf74 posted:I suppose if you ignore the entirety of Trump's term and current ongoing Republican resistance to any and all measures to get people vaccinated, or even marginally limit the spread of disease, you can pretend this is just as bad as a Trump 2021 would be. If Trump was president it would have been Trump's vaccine and most of the partisan opposition to vaccines wouldn't exist. When the entirety of the federal response under Biden has been telling people to get vaccinated I really can't see how Trump doing the same thing would turn out worse.
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lil poopendorfer posted:When trump was in office, there werent vaccines available either. No, I still have a point, you just missed it. Things were looking decent in vaccinated areas before Delta popped up...I think the problem is that Biden went all in vaccines and when Delta came around they just didn't want to roll back to more standard precautions and hoped they could just bulldoze through with high vaccine rates. That was definitely bad and continues to be bad. That is 100% the valid criticism of Biden's response. To be honest with the way the US is I don't think there was ever any hope of Biden containing Delta and Omicron very well but they certainly didn't do much to try beyond continuing to push vaccinations...which is fine but not enough by far by itself e: to clarify, my original point was that if people are going to make statements criticizing Biden's response then it shouldn't be by comparing infections and deaths to Trump but not acknowledging the far different environment we've been operating under for the past 3/4 of a year. There's so much to rightfully criticize Biden for that making lazy numbers comparisons without any context is pointless at best and probably manipulative Levitate fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Kagrenac posted:If Trump was president it would have been Trump's vaccine and most of the partisan opposition to vaccines wouldn't exist. When the entirety of the federal response under Biden has been telling people to get vaccinated I really can't see how Trump doing the same thing would turn out worse. e: oof, covid time compression loving with me. Operation Warp Speed was Trump's big deal though. e2: I think it's a silly comparison tbh, but under Trump's admin we got checks and expanded UI, under Biden we got one check and told that vaccines meant we had to suck it up and get back to work. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Jan 7, 2022 19:35
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Kagrenac posted:If Trump was president it would have been Trump's vaccine and most of the partisan opposition to vaccines wouldn't exist. When the entirety of the federal response under Biden has been telling people to get vaccinated I really can't see how Trump doing the same thing would turn out worse. I kinda doubt it...anti vax sentiment was already out there before Trump left office and Trumps people don't quite always follow everything he says (like him saying get vax'd now and people booing him etc) I think it's just...a bit de-coupled from Trump himself because it taps into a lot of other conspiracy theory poo poo and doesn't just follow Trump and conservatism the same way as a lot of stuff. You'd probably have a conspiracy theory out there that Trump is telling people to get vaccinated because he's tricking the libs into taking poison but he doesn't want his true followers to do it and you can decode that secret message by blah blah
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Jan 7, 2022 19:44
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Folks, at the end of the day we still had more deaths, infections, hospitalizations, you name it under Biden during the same time frame. Outing Trump aside, Biden hasn’t moved the needle in a positive way and the CDC under his administration is objectively abysmal and arguably actively harming the American public. Again, using Biden’s own words: https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1322320377943527424?s=20 (We are about to hit one million a day under Biden just for comparison)
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Jan 7, 2022 19:46
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Bel Shazar posted:It would be nice if we could get the vaccinated to show more concern for the unvaccinatable. Lockdowns suck. Being the conduit for someone's death probably sucks more. Being that untimely death seems to come with issues as well. Love the AP article Google just fed my phone about hospitalizations for under 5's being at record highs. Absolute sociopath behavior from a majority of Americans
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Jan 7, 2022 19:46
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brugroffil posted:Love the AP article Google just fed my phone about hospitalizations for under 5's being at record highs. Again, most people aren't going to have any choice whether to expose themselves to the virus or not, it doesn't make them sociopaths because they live in society. We don't have a meaningful social safety net to allow people to keep themselves and their children isolated, especially not with how easily transmitted Omicron seems to be.
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Jan 7, 2022 19:50
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Biden sucks but it's a total joke to be saying he is worse than Trump. Trump created a huge mess. Biden has attempted to clean it. While the rest of the world was trying to protect their citizens, Trump was hoping to kill off the non-fascists. If Trump had Omicron or Delta to deal with, we'd probably all be dead right now. How's that for hyperbole?
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Waltzing Along posted:Biden sucks but it's a total joke to be saying he is worse than Trump. Trump created a huge mess. Biden has attempted to clean it. While the rest of the world was trying to protect their citizens, Trump was hoping to kill off the non-fascists. If Trump had Omicron or Delta to deal with, we'd probably all be dead right now. We had lockdowns, ubi, and developed a vaccine back then! Now it's open Biden and slam the same outdated vaxx forever
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Professor Beetus posted:Again, most people aren't going to have any choice whether to expose themselves to the virus or not, it doesn't make them sociopaths because they live in society. We don't have a meaningful social safety net to allow people to keep themselves and their children isolated, especially not with how easily transmitted Omicron seems to be. Yes, I'm aware. My kids go back to daycare Monday. Bars, restaurants, planes, casinos etc are still full. And plenty of idiots still go on about "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Country full of selfish moron gluttons.
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Waltzing Along posted:Biden has attempted to clean it. Evidence? Under Biden’s admin mask mandates and distance learning mandates were killed. On top of that the isolation time was reduced during a new highly infectious variant in the wild. Edit: this is starting to sound like a school yard fight so instead can we all agree that if we hold Biden to his own standards set in 2020 that his response to covid has been an abject failure? virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Wang Commander posted:We had lockdowns, ubi, and developed a vaccine back then! Now it's open Biden and slam the same outdated vaxx forever The vaccines and their associated boosters are still keeping most vaccinated folks out of the hospital and the grave, knock this poo poo off. brugroffil posted:Yes, I'm aware. My kids go back to daycare Monday. Yeah I can't really disagree with that tbh, people want their num nums and don't seem to give a single gently caress about the consequences. Still, without any sort of safety net it's a Catch-22 because the people that work in those bars and restaurants and casinos need a paycheck too. Failure of government to shut down non-essentials and pay people to sit at home.
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The federal government has very little power in our stupid country when tons of states and counties are straight up defying anything Biden says. Trump created this mess. You can blame Biden all you want but he didn't start this. And you are lying if you think things would have been worse if the whole thing started 10 months ago rather than 22. If Trump had to deal with Delta or Omicron you really think things would be better? That's basically what you are saying by saying that Biden has been worse.
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Tiny Timbs posted:If the CDC thinks we're flying blind then why are they urging less caution, not more?
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Professor Beetus posted:The vaccines and their associated boosters are still keeping most vaccinated folks out of the hospital and the grave, knock this poo poo off. Seriously, the UK has a case number way way higher than the last peak but a death rate of 100-200/day as opposed to 1500/day last January. The vaccines work amazingly well still for people who are vaccinated
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Waltzing Along posted:The federal government has very little power in our stupid country when tons of states and counties are straight up defying anything Biden says. Trump created this mess. I sincerely do because spite is a strong motivator and people hated the gently caress out of Trump. If he said duck, people would jump, if he said "let's open up" people would lock themselves down. We were better off when people knew to be skeptical of the president because all of our politicians lie to us in the service of capital. Biden said "open up," and we are open. I think people's fear and hatred of Trump would have kept more people aware and scared and better for it. Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Waltzing Along posted:The federal government has very little power in our stupid country when tons of states and counties are straight up defying anything Biden says. So when Biden said: https://youtu.be/IauHea4H0L0 And https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1322320377943527424?s=20 Was he wrong and should he have been more nuanced and said this is a local issue? Or was Biden correct and we should hold him to the same standard he set in 2020. Let’s not pull any political teams sports here. Biden said the number of cases and deaths were on the president and that the president bears responsibility. The same is true now.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So when Biden said: I agree with Joe Biden that Joe Biden should be removed from the presidency.
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Crosspost. Beaumont Health is the largest hospital system in Southeast Michigan (Detroit). Beaumont Health: Health care is at a breaking point quote:Beaumont Health is currently caring for more than 750 COVID-19 patients in its eight hospitals. 62% are unvaccinated. The omicron variant is spreading rapidly throughout the community. Over the past week, there has been a 40% increase in the number of COVID patients being treated at Beaumont. More than 430 Beaumont employees are also out with COVID symptoms.   Even if Omicron is “mild” (or, rather, less virulent than Delta), it is putting healthcare systems to the brink. These numbers are terribly grim. Apparently the metro area is at 34% positivity, Detroit proper at 42%. My school can’t open because too many staff and students are sick.
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Yeah, same here. Omicron would have to be a whole hell of a lot more mild for a difference to be made. Again, if we saw this kind of rate of infection with the flu, that would be a crisis too in all likelihood.
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Jan 7, 2022 20:23
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Folks, at the end of the day we still had more deaths, infections, hospitalizations, you name it under Biden during the same time frame. It’s not the same time frame. trump had about nine months of responding to an actual major pandemic (it started slow) and at the end he bequeathed Biden a huge hump of cases and deaths from spread fostered under the Trump admin.
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Yeah, people have to go to the hospital for other things. I’ve been putting off routine care for a while now waiting for covid to go away. Something is going to fail eventually if we just accept that huge numbers of people will just always be on vents in addition to normal flow into hospitals.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Biden said the number of cases and deaths were on the president and that the president bears responsibility. The same is true now. The problem is that vaccines weren't enough against delta and aren't enough against omicron. Like, if you could only do one of (i) vaccines, (ii) NPIs, or (iii) tests, then maybe doing vaccines is still the best overall option. But it's not zero sum. Biden could've pushed on all three and didn't, and that's where he's flopped. ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I sincerely do because spite is a strong motivator and people hated the gently caress out of Trump. If he said duck, people would jump, if he said "let's open up" people would lock themselves down. You seem to have forgotten half the country in this analysis.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So when Biden said: State and local response was equally important, but their willingness to cooperate was much higher early on, just as it is in any disaster. The landscape of 2022 just ain't what it was in even late 2020. Resistance to even minimal efforts to reduce covid spread have calcified into an entire political platform and become a conservative pillar. Nobody's going to say Biden is doing great, here, so I'm not sure what the point is of tweet-posting weird campaign bullshit except some crazy "gotcha!" Zing, you got him? Way to go?
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ExcessBLarg! posted:I think Biden would argue that 2020 COVID deaths were a function of the administration's denialism and not getting enough NPIs in place. I’ll need to see evidence of this kind of nuance from 2020 Biden to believe that is the case. In the YouTube clips, tweets, plus all the town halls that was not the case. dwarf74 posted:Is this one of those things where you're pretending the passage of time and change of circumstances doesn't exist? Show me Biden’s nuance in 2020. Either we hold him to his own standards or it comes across as political sportsball nonsense. PT6A posted:Yeah, same here. Omicron would have to be a whole hell of a lot more mild for a difference to be made. Again, if we saw this kind of rate of infection with the flu, that would be a crisis too in all likelihood. Agreed. As I said before, where is all the talk of “flattening the curve” like in March 2020. This is arguably worse. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Suzera posted:I didn't see a death estimate in this, but if you assume that all 274 people "in icu" died out of 800k cases that's a .03% cfr. Even 600 is .075%. The optimal just-post-vax antibody peak cfr estimate for the best vaccines against delta is still something like .1%. Something isn't adding up here with this model. I got those numbers from here. https://covidlive.com.au/ Also the fact that the vast majority of Australia's cases will be Omicron night make the figures seem different
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I AM GRANDO posted:Yeah, people have to go to the hospital for other things. I’ve been putting off routine care for a while now waiting for covid to go away. Something is going to fail eventually if we just accept that huge numbers of people will just always be on vents in addition to normal flow into hospitals. I asked this a while ago upthread, but does anyone know if covid patients are still being restricted to in-network hospitals by their insurance companies? I mentioned before that during the first year peak, hospitals in L.A. that accepted Medicaid were swamped while hospitals that were more restrictive in accepting insurance had empty beds. Is that still the case?
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This is where I’m at. Many of the hospitals and hospital Systems I am intimately familiar with are seeing ED, ICU, and Step Down admission numbers for “of/for covid” patients that rival or exceed the numbers we were seeing in March-May of 2020. BJC Healthcare (Wash U) in Missouri has stopped most elective procedures b/c they have zero icu beds available. In one of their hospitals 1/2 of the covid + icu admissions are currently fully vaccinated. Last weekend, the only patient they successfully extubated was unvaccinated. They have had 2 fully vaccinated, previously healthy patients under 40 die of covid last week. Here in Virginia, VCU has significantly limited elective surgeries, as have several otter hospitals. The hospitals I cover have not chosen to restrict elective surgeries. It doesn’t matter though, we’ve had 5-10+ cases a day cancelled for testing positive or for having symptomatic covid. We’re also doing more emergent covid + surgical cases in our ORs. My partner is the only clinician in her office who isn’t actively sick/out with symptomatic covid. It really does feel like our system is being excessively taxed again. It is exhausting and it truly does feel like society has gotten over giving a gently caress about covid.
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dwarf74 posted:Yep, zing! Gottem! Good job noticing that campaign tweets lack nuance. I'm sure you'll get him out of office with your zingers any day now. I dunno what you are referring to here. Biden isn’t getting out of office unless he dies, is impeached, his term ends. This is silly. I’m pointing out that, under Biden, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are higher than the standard he gave the previous president in cracking down on covid. Should we hold Biden to the same standard? You don’t have to answer that question. It’s rhetorical obviously. Of course Biden bears the ultimate responsibility here. Because this is becoming a broken record. Let’s move onto the CDC interviews today: https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1479443846819889156?s=20 This is ridiculous. Just a complete dismissal of the actual experts to cover the CDCs lack of credibility. The messaging remains unclear because of the lack of actual data and science.
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