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Antonymous posted:China has a problem of knockin down people's houses too but apparently there is a way, maybe with some connections, to fight it. First off you don't own the land in China, you can only own the structure, which you have for about 70 years but that's almost hypothetical at this point. People commonly own their apartments as opposed to renting them, which is a big difference from the US. So instead of the landlord getting paid, the tenants get paid and it often benefits them a lot. Usually you have to physically fight them knocking down your home in China if it's felt you were given a fair offer. You have to pretty much chain yourself or a family member to the house until things blow over so they can't bulldoze it. In the past hired goons will also pull people out of their house or they'll wait until everyone is gone and then bulldoze it but that's mostly out in the countryside and lower tier cities. A guy I know in Zhengzhou's older apartment building got set up for demolition and since they owned the apartment due to housing reforms, they got a lot of money for a newer, better apartment so the city could finish a long overdue line of the metro. The Chinese government usually does pay landowners above market value for their homes, it's probably one of the greatest engines of upward mobility in China. Families overnight essentially hit the lottery and middle and upper class people in tier 1 cities treat them like the Beverly Hillbillies because of their rural and gaudy sensibilities in fashion and consumption. RocknRollaAyatollah has issued a correction as of 21:04 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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Jan 7, 2022 21:02
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Antonymous posted:I met someone who said "at least in America we have property rights, in China the government can just take your house" and I thought of this vs. the fact that every city in America had a either a predominantly black or poor neighborhood erased to build freeways so white suburbanites could commute to their urban jobs and there's not one example of these nail houses in the USA. The land theft is complete and total. China has a problem of knockin down people's houses too but apparently there is a way, maybe with some connections, to fight it. do i want a functioning loving country with a robust infrastructure for all to use and is modernized regularly or america the land of NIMBY and crumbling infrastructure that specifically ratfucks everyone that isnt hyper rich? Hmmm
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Jan 7, 2022 21:44
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Sounds like they have the same exact freedom to die without treatment as most people in USA. What's the problem?
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Jan 7, 2022 22:25
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i like how the absolute worst case bad faith stories they can come up with about china sound exactly like the US and you can even take covid out of the equation at that
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Jan 7, 2022 22:46
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right but chinas evil on purpose while were just evil by accident that gives us the moral high ground
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Jan 7, 2022 22:48
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CNN was also running a story about two women who had both had miscarriages allegedly because they needed care but were turned away at hospitals due to their lockdown policy As opposed to the US, where these women would have been turned away because the hospitals were too full but not before catching covid from a maskless receptionist anyway
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Jan 7, 2022 22:59
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Some Guy TT posted:right but chinas evil on purpose while were just evil by accident that gives us the moral high ground Americans naming their sons after Chiang!
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Jan 7, 2022 23:02
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China's zero-covid policy comes from the central government and it puts a ton of top-down pressure on provinces and municipalities to conform. This results in some individual discomfort among parts of the population and sporadic bureaucratic breakdown. The USA's "let them all die and let god sort it out" policy is the inevitable result of the poo poo that oozes out of every pore of its society and governance. This will result in over a million painful, lonely deaths. It can be hard to decide which of these scenarios is worse so I am here to tell you that it's goddamn China goddammit loving COMMIES doing AUTHORITY and OPPRESSIVE
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Jan 7, 2022 23:06
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Yes but have you considered that if an American dies of Covid it's their own fault and if a Chinese person dies of anything it's Xi's fault?
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Jan 7, 2022 23:15
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Eurasia thread, please welcome your new IK, fart simpson.
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Jan 7, 2022 23:17
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Some Guy TT posted:heart attack story it sucks that that lady lost her dad when it could have been prevented had somebody fudged the letter of the law, and I know that story got some traction in Chinese media. But the USA using a single death to ideologically justify the almost 900,000 mothers, fathers, sons and daughters who died from the US's covid policy is lol
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Jan 7, 2022 23:20
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CSPAM authoritarian tankies engaging in whataboutism again I see. Does everything have to be about the United States? Can't this just be an article about China?
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Jan 7, 2022 23:24
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I am a prolific whataboutist Oh, somebody died? You expect me to give a poo poo? Whatabout the trillions of humans who have died throughout the history of humans? Should I be up in arms about them too? Dying is normal get over it I'm a tankie
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Jan 7, 2022 23:28
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Some Guy TT posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1479406172520460288 the tragedy of vegetables, a single miscarriage, and the slightest, slightest degree of what americans experience as a medical system
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Jan 7, 2022 23:30
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I'd rather live in a country where I might run afoul of a lock down policy during a personal health emergency than one where I've been written off as an acceptable casualty from the start because of being immunocompromised.
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Jan 7, 2022 23:31
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western society is severely mentally ill
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Jan 7, 2022 23:32
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https://i.imgur.com/E3nqUQH.mp4
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Jan 7, 2022 23:36
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society sick, so what
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Jan 7, 2022 23:38
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this one is particularly odious because not only is the guy being quoted a Council on Foreign Relations fellow but it stretches belief to think that policy being set by multi-tiered electoral systems is "non-participatory" considering uhhhh like local leadership is directly elected and party members vote separately within party democracy for leadership positions within the party and many of them also tend to get elected to offices via popular elections and even if policy at the highest levels isn't participatory i'm struggling to figure out how this makes any difference from any democracy period? you can't exactly initiate a popular plebiscite recall as a citizen if you don't like a politician anywhere else? so what's being defined as participatory democracy again? Are the CFR secret platformist anarchists or something?
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Jan 7, 2022 23:42
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DiscountDildos posted:China's zero-covid policy comes from the central government and it puts a ton of top-down pressure on provinces and municipalities to conform. This results in some individual discomfort among parts of the population and sporadic bureaucratic breakdown. this isn’t blood in my FREE mouth its victory wine and furthermore what does my taste in videogame mods have to d
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Jan 7, 2022 23:43
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vyelkin posted:Eurasia thread, please welcome your new IK, fart simpson. Cool! You should make them IK of the D&D thread too
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Jan 7, 2022 23:43
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Red and Black posted:Cool! You should make them IK of the D&D thread too
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Jan 7, 2022 23:44
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the tragedy of vegetables, a single miscarriage, and the slightest, slightest degree of what americans experience as a medical system To be fair, I think it's good that the woman who lost her dad and other Chinese people are outraged at what happened and how it happened. That is super loving lovely and something that government authorities ought to be critically evaluating so as to prevent similar in the future. Simultaneously it is true that even with these things happening the total sum result of Chinese covid policy outcomes is just almost incomprehensibly better than western covid policy. It is also true that it is near impossible to imagine western authorities giving enough of a poo poo when their policies utterly ruin someones life for them to properly evaluate and attempt to improve. I don't have the personal experience nor sufficient knowledge to say whether this is a reslistic expectation of Chinese authorities. I do believe that either way, our experience with western governments is not a good reason to transpose the jadedness that results from that experience onto Chinese authorities. I want to live in a society where people are genuinely shocked and outraged when those with power cause the death of their loved ones, not in a society where that is expected and received as something to be shrugged at.
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Jan 7, 2022 23:45
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cenotaph posted:I'd rather live in a country where I might run afoul of a lock down policy during a personal health emergency than one where I've been written off as an acceptable casualty from the start because of being immunocompromised. Yeah, there's no mention of the 1.2 billion other Chinese people who are not facing these problems because that's what the quarantine policy is supposed to be for.
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Jan 7, 2022 23:45
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HiroProtagonist posted:this one is particularly odious because not only is the guy being quoted a Council on Foreign Relations fellow but it stretches belief to think that policy being set by multi-tiered electoral systems is "non-participatory" considering uhhhh It's only democracy if it's a bourgeois liberal democracy setup that is easily captured by private capitalists hth.
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Jan 7, 2022 23:46
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Danann posted:It's only democracy if it's a bourgeois liberal democracy setup that is easily captured by private capitalists hth. well yeah thats my point but its also funny to think of the CFR using what appears to be the same arguments (western, anyway) anarchists use to de-legitimize any socialist system of governance
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Jan 7, 2022 23:48
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https://twitter.com/t__who/status/1479229311039197194?s=20 My brain is now going at a speed of 1,000,0000 km/m
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Jan 7, 2022 23:50
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ok who the gently caress is this loving garbage rear end person with his garbage rear end NED takes?
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Jan 8, 2022 00:07
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Red and Black posted:Cool! You should make them IK of the D&D thread too Not that it matters much, but Stalin was IMO the worse of the two. Hitler was lawful evil and his evil system had clear enemies and rules an average citizen could play by. Stalin's rule devoured (in addition to regular enemies) his own allies, military commanders, artists, and entirely random people. It was a paranoid hell with no rhyme or reason, from which Russia still carries an unseen burden.
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Jan 8, 2022 00:07
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Slavvy posted:Not that it matters much, but Stalin was IMO the worse of the two. Hitler was lawful evil and his evil system had clear enemies and rules an average citizen could play by. Stalin's rule devoured (in addition to regular enemies) his own allies, military commanders, artists, and entirely random people. It was a paranoid hell with no rhyme or reason, from which Russia still carries an unseen burden. wow lol
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Jan 8, 2022 00:09
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Raskolnikov38 posted:western society is severely mentally ill Raskolnikov38 posted:western society is severely mentally ill Raskolnikov38 posted:western society is severely mentally ill Raskolnikov38 posted:western society is severely mentally ill Raskolnikov38 posted:western society is severely mentally ill
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Jan 8, 2022 00:10
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"Hitler was lawful evil" Hell yeah man that's good lmao
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Jan 8, 2022 00:11
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DiscountDildos posted:I am a prolific whataboutist Oh someone died? Well I've got news for you bub 
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Jan 8, 2022 00:13
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Slavvy posted:Not that it matters much, but Stalin was IMO the worse of the two. Hitler was lawful evil and his evil system had clear enemies and rules an average citizen could play by. Stalin's rule devoured (in addition to regular enemies) his own allies, military commanders, artists, and entirely random people. It was a paranoid hell with no rhyme or reason, from which Russia still carries an unseen burden. 
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Jan 8, 2022 00:13
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Jose posted:Lol Mukhtar has mad forehead game Looks like Reducto
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Jan 8, 2022 00:13
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I, personally, couldn't play by a few of Hitler's rules no matter how good a citizen I was!
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Jan 8, 2022 00:14
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Slavvy posted:Not that it matters much, but Stalin was IMO the worse of the two. Hitler was lawful evil and his evil system had clear enemies and rules an average citizen could play by. Stalin's rule devoured (in addition to regular enemies) his own allies, military commanders, artists, and entirely random people. It was a paranoid hell with no rhyme or reason, from which Russia still carries an unseen burden. dude don't blow your load so early
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Jan 8, 2022 00:14
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I'm pretty drunk right now and I'm at a bsr and on one of the tvs I just saw John Cena in an Experian commercial and I dunno I thought it was funny that he got all that poo poo about apologizing in mandarin about Taiwan or whatever when he is an ambassador for an American credit reporting service and also CHINA SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM and I'm a bit drunk but there's a salient point here somewhere
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Jan 8, 2022 00:18
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Slavvy posted:Not that it matters much, but Stalin was IMO the worse of the two. Hitler was lawful evil and his evil system had clear enemies and rules an average citizen could play by. Stalin's rule devoured (in addition to regular enemies) his own allies, military commanders, artists, and entirely random people. It was a paranoid hell with no rhyme or reason, from which Russia still carries an unseen burden. stalin was lawful good then
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