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Vib Rib posted:Jesus, what the gently caress? It's a weird post. But I do think their is some truth to the idea that some people hide their homophobia by slapping 'white' in front of their comments.
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IronicDongz posted:the early books are fine. book 1 has clever bits, book 2 is eh and book 3 is pretty good Book 4 was when the bloat started and coincided with her firing her editor
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Jan 8, 2022 11:42
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IronicDongz posted:fondly remembering the bit in one of the last books where dumbledore puts his wand in his teeth like a marine's knife, and then leaps into raging seas with enormous waves crashing against the rocky shore and swims through it to a cave like a superhuman micheal phelps despite being over 100 years old I am genuinely a little embarassed that I know this, but canonically (I know) their innate magic keeps them healthy and retards aging. A regular wizard lives 2-3 times as long as a normal human lifespan, and the powerful ones can live 500+ years.
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Jan 8, 2022 11:49
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he had a hosed up hand at that point though, so hosed up it hurt to gesture with it
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IronicDongz posted:also harry makes the choice to not give his poor friends his money(which he inherited and did not earn), and the story presents this as the correct choice because it would be insulting to help them financially Harry’s also an eleven year old child that’s been banished to a closet for most of his life with no money to his name, so it’s not hard to see why he’d be reluctant to part with all this money he suddenly has that came out of nowhere Which would be a neat flaw for your protagonist to grow out of during this coming of age story, Rowling!
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Chloe Jessica posted:he had a hosed up hand at that point though, so hosed up it hurt to gesture with it Don't you think he could've been faking it? How else do you explain his feverish wanking activity, which fueled the various magical wards and protections around Hogwarts? Geez! Think, moran.
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christmas boots posted:Harry’s also an eleven year old child that’s been banished to a closet for most of his life with no money to his name, so it’s not hard to see why he’d be reluctant to part with all this money he suddenly has that came out of nowhere By that same measure, he knows what it's like to be poor and deprived and only given the essentials, even when the person next to you is spared no expense by those with the money. But it's okay he does buy all of the candy on the train and does share it, so it's totally cool when 50% of his friends are bullied for things like hand-me-down robes and dangerous wands. EDIT: This is criticising Jowling Kowling, not you, to be clear. Serperoth has a new favorite as of 12:38 on Jan 8, 2022 |
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Mega Comrade posted:It's a weird post. But I do think their is some truth to the idea that some people hide their homophobia by slapping 'white' in front of their comments. christmas boots posted:Harry’s also an eleven year old child that’s been banished to a closet for most of his life with no money to his name, so it’s not hard to see why he’d be reluctant to part with all this money he suddenly has that came out of nowhere Buddy had the equivalent of millions of dollars worth of gold and wouldn’t spend like a couple hundo to buy his friends nice clothes. I know Rowling herself was poor when she wrote the books but Harry acts exactly like every trust fund kid I know. “Oh wow you need five bucks to cover the rest of your rent and you don’t have any food until your next paycheck? That sounds really rough I hope it works out!”
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Serperoth posted:By that same measure, he knows what it's like to be poor and deprived and only given the essentials, even when the person next to you is spared no expense by those with the money. Yeah, Harry was not unwilling to spend his money. He bought the best supplies for school with Hagrid, then bought the entire candy cart on a curiosity/wonder-driven whim. It would be more in character for him to offer to help cover Ron's supplies, once they became friends, and especially after seeing Ron's home life.
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Maybe the Weaselys were cosplaying as poors. I would assume all wizards can just wizard up some cash, so since they can be rich as poo poo and live for hundreds of years, sometimes they just want to faff about for a few decades trying things out. Wasn't Weasely Senior some sort of human researcher? Maybe one day he came home to stately Weasely Manor, and told everyone "You'll never believe what I saw today! We were researching in a new area of London, and we came across a new type of human. A "poor". They lived in lovely homes, and ate lovely food, and had lovely kids and lived lovely lives. Fascinating! How would everyone like to cosplay as a poor for the next several years, eh? Could be fun!"
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Maybe the Weaselys were cosplaying as poors. I would assume all wizards can just wizard up some cash, so since they can be rich as poo poo and live for hundreds of years, sometimes they just want to faff about for a few decades trying things out. Arthur's more of a human fetishist - he doesn't care how Muggle poo poo works, he just acquires it and merges them with weird spells to see what will happen. If he were really a researcher he'd have enrolled into a Muggle university on some kind of engineering course after Hogwarts so that he could learn how we did poo poo without magic and report back.
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BioEnchanted posted:Arthur's more of a human fetishist - he doesn't care how Muggle poo poo works, he just acquires it and merges them with weird spells to see what will happen. If he were really a researcher he'd have enrolled into a Muggle university on some kind of engineering course after Hogwarts so that he could learn how we did poo poo without magic and report back. It's hilarious how dumb wizards are in Harry Potter. They all have more power than a nuclear bomb and also never learned basic multiplication. We're gonna teach you how to kill hundreds of thousands of people all at once, we aren't gonna teach you about how to pay your gas bill.
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Skwirl posted:It's hilarious how dumb wizards are in Harry Potter. They all have more power than a nuclear bomb and also never learned basic multiplication. We're gonna teach you how to kill hundreds of thousands of people all at once, we aren't gonna teach you about how to pay your gas bill. The best example of that is in Half-Blood Prince - Harry finds a random spell that he's never heard of, but because he never thought to learn any root words or naming conventions, or research it to see what it could do, he uses it in Draco in a bathroom in anger and it blows his face off like a shotgun. Hermione probably cornered him after that incident and just went "What did you think would happen? Think about the name idiot! Sectumsempra. SECTUM! You could have bisected the loving kid!"
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I would assume all wizards can just wizard up some cash
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BioEnchanted posted:The best example of that is in Half-Blood Prince - Harry finds a random spell that he's never heard of, but because he never thought to learn any root words or naming conventions, or research it to see what it could do, he uses it in Draco in a bathroom in anger and it blows his face off like a shotgun. Hermione probably cornered him after that incident and just went "What did you think would happen? Think about the name idiot! Sectumsempra. SECTUM! You could have bisected the loving kid!" Harry weren't you in "Greak, Laddin, & Classykal Roots" with me? You should know all the hosed-up lovely Latin roots we misuse by now. Honestly.
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Like how in star trek they want to have a post scarcity utopian society with no money so replicators are a thing, but they also sometimes want to tell stories where money is a factor, so they have latinum which cant be replicated and is money if the story needs a character to be motivated by money.
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I think latinum is specifically a ferengi thing, and they like it specifically because it can't be replicated and they are supposed to be the loony capitalist aliens who fetishize things entirely because of their rarity. Latinum is NFTs.
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OwlFancier posted:I think latinum is specifically a ferengi thing, and they like it specifically because it can't be replicated and they are supposed to be the loony capitalist aliens who fetishize things entirely because of their rarity. I just imagine their society getting turbofucked every time the last "rare" element they pegged currency to turns out to be abundant in the galaxy, until finally they're down to the ones which are hard to syntheforge in a replicrucible. Ugly, horrible metals that just happen to need novas worth of energy to form. Really just pathetic poo poo
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OwlFancier posted:I think latinum is specifically a ferengi thing, and they like it specifically because it can't be replicated and they are supposed to be the loony capitalist aliens who fetishize things entirely because of their rarity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrbDWq64BNg
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Skwirl posted:It's hilarious how dumb wizards are in Harry Potter. They all have more power than a nuclear bomb and also never learned basic multiplication. We're gonna teach you how to kill hundreds of thousands of people all at once, we aren't gonna teach you about how to pay your gas bill. It's almost like the books are for children
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Regy Rusty posted:i deeply regret reading these Me too. Jeez.
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I don't think explicitly bad writing should be excused just because it's for children. It works alright in the first book because wizarding society is explicitly this loony weird thing and things are taking to absurd extremes as part of the writing style, like, Harry isn't just neglected and abused, he's stuck under the cupboard, etc. As the books try to get more mature tho, I think it becomes more clear that Rowling isn't actually good at examining serious themes. A YA book series I'd like to contrast with that is Diane Duane's Young Wizards, where wizards (gender neutral) are essentially magical tech support and troubleshooters of the universe, and when they're younger they've got the raw power to force the Lone Power into direct confrontations of Good vs Evil because that's how kids are more likely to think and have the convictions to support, but as they get older and more experienced the raw power fades because they don't need it as much as they get better with the technical aspects and the problems they're assigned to fix tend to get more complicated and less black-and-white. How do you talk your mother's cancer into dying willingly? What if the problem you're dealing with isn't an evil villain but another teenaged wizard who's well-intentioned but also just an arrogant rear end in a top hat? EDIT: Cats being one of Earth's fully sapient species and only wizards knowing this is pretty horrifying, though.
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I dont want my childrens books written by terfs
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Diane Duane is the superior writer of children’s books about child wizards, fite me irl.
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PetraCore posted:I don't think explicitly bad writing should be excused just because it's for children. It works alright in the first book because wizarding society is explicitly this loony weird thing and things are taking to absurd extremes as part of the writing style, like, Harry isn't just neglected and abused, he's stuck under the cupboard, etc. As the books try to get more mature tho, I think it becomes more clear that Rowling isn't actually good at examining serious themes. I'll take the opportunity to plug the Shrieking Shack podcast, which I'm still working through the backlog of because I'm an infrequent podcast listener and started really late, but yeah this is about it. The first few are wacky and have a sort of snarky brand of humour, and the hosts go through the books chapter by chapter, this is funny, this is kind of hosed if you look at it too close, this is neat too bad it never goes anywhere. The first few books are not great literature by any means but they can be entertaining. I'm partway through their Deathly Hallows read and they are losing their minds with how bad it is. Anyway the Young Wizards books have been on my list for "things I would like to reread at some point" because I read like. One. A billion years ago. It was a library book and I never had the chance to read more. And i barely remember them now except that I did enjoy it. And yeah, I do firmly believe that good children's media should be enjoyable by adults too, and the difference should be content, not quality.
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I think what made Harry Potter so popular despite ultimately mediocre writing (at its best) was that it presented a fantasy world that was really easy for kids to slot themselves into and imagine themselves magic powers, especially with the whole "which is your house?" thing.
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https://twitter.com/KateKizer/status/1479555596584202245
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As any boomer will tell you, THEY grew up POOR and THEY bootstrapped THEMSELVES and deserve to keep ALL of what THEY and ONLY THEY have earned. Nevermind all of the completely different societal changes since 1970 OR the fact that they had a father that could sustain a household with 1 income AND got an amazing pension AND social security in retirement PLUS housing costs being reasonable and it was very feasible to own your property within 15 years of mortgage. So it is easy to see why a poorer kid is reluctant to give up money to help those in need.
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dialhforhero posted:As any boomer will tell you, THEY grew up POOR and THEY bootstrapped THEMSELVES and deserve to keep ALL of what THEY and ONLY THEY have earned. EDIT: Like in Harry's defense the Weasleys are never portrayed as wanting for food and the curriculum at Hogwarts doesn't seem to change very much so reusing school supplies isn't a huge deal, but there's definitely a few points where 'making do' turns into 'there's an unexpected expense and we're NOT making do'. PetraCore has a new favorite as of 18:20 on Jan 8, 2022 |
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yeah but then you lose out on the comedic stylings of Ron's personal armament, with the capacity to shotgun people's face off or level cities if misused, backfiring and shooting a forest slug in his face lmao there's a mollusk in his nose because his family is poor
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It's also worth mentioning that Mrs. Weasley cannot possibly get a job to help because all married women in Harry Potter turn into housewives. I don't think there are any working mothers in all the books.
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I think Hermione's parents both worked, so maybe it's just wizards.
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P sure the wizards are all trad
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The bits where Harry could very easily help the Weasley's are all odd, too, because he always thinks something like "they would be insulted at the offer and not take the money anyhow", but...he never actually asks them. He just assumes they wouldn't take the money and never actually offers it. Which really sounds like Rowling's own reasoning once she had money bleeding through.
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Tenebrais posted:I think what made Harry Potter so popular despite ultimately mediocre writing (at its best) was that it presented a fantasy world that was really easy for kids to slot themselves into and imagine themselves magic powers, especially with the whole "which is your house?" thing. Also it really invited readers to imagine themselves in Harry's position, as the young genius bound for greatness just by being who he is, but bullied by dumb MEAN BULLIES at school who just don't understand you and mistreated by UNFAIR PARENTS who give harsh rules. Every kid feels that way.
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AlbieQuirky posted:Diane Duane is the superior writer of children’s books about child wizards, fite me irl. (unsheathes my Diana Wynne Jones sword) Have at thee, rogue!
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