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I was reading this article from BBC Mundo about the upcoming elections in LATAM, and I came across this surprising claim:quote:Con el telón de fondo de las enormes protestas callejeras de 2021 y varios retos económicos, la mayoría de las encuestas de intención de voto ponen al frente al izquierdista Gustavo Petro, un economista, exguerrillero y exalcalde de Bogotá que perdió el balotaje de 2018 ante el actual presidente Iván Duque. Summary: if leftist candidate Gustavo Petro, who is leading in polls for the Colombian presidential election, is elected, he will be the first elected leftist president of Colombia in their entire history. E: I guess Cien Años de Soledad was merely mirroring reality with the liberals being forever unable to defeat the conservatives even with violence. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Jan 3, 2022 |
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there have been several liberal presidents of colombia, just no leftists
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https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1478053853304176643?s=20 we all like to joke but seriously why does he keep getting hospitalized? is this related to when he got stabbed like four years ago? I would have guessed cancer but he's been in the hospital so many times for this you'd think he'd be dead by now if that was it
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Jan 4, 2022 02:42
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there's speculation that him getting stabbed was a coverup for an actual colon cancer surgery because cancer is for weak pussies and he's a stronkman lol
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Jan 4, 2022 04:24
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Badger of Basra posted:https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1478053853304176643?s=20 There is an answer, but you may regret reading it. The stabbing plus the Covid complications got him on colossal quantities of opiates, jamming up his digestive system and forcing them to semi-regularly excavate all his compacted poo poo from his overstuffed torso via his nose.
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Darth Walrus posted:There is an answer, but you may regret reading it. The stabbing plus the Covid complications got him on colossal quantities of opiates, jamming up his digestive system and forcing them to semi-regularly excavate all his compacted poo poo from his overstuffed torso via his nose. I never read anything that convinced me to not hope Bolsonaro drops dead until this post.
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Darth Walrus posted:There is an answer, but you may regret reading it. The stabbing plus the Covid complications got him on colossal quantities of opiates, jamming up his digestive system and forcing them to semi-regularly excavate all his compacted poo poo from his overstuffed torso via his nose. just stop taking the opiates my dude!!!
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Too bad native Americans probably suffer the most from bolsonaro not dying from sepsis.
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Jan 4, 2022 06:49
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Fascists do love their drugs.
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i say swears online posted:there have been several liberal presidents of colombia, just no leftists 🤔 was gonna ask if Gaitán wasn't considered a leftist but apparently he got Colosio'd rather than Allende'd
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i should have specified "after '58"  edit oh he wasn't even president lol edit2: also maybe he was colosio'd but was probably guiteau'd i say swears online fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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I think we're all aware of the fact that many developed countries have a problem with aging populations, and supporting said populations with a successively smaller workforce. But could Latin America be on the cusp of a similar problem, and be aging too fast to break into the developed world? From the CAF: quote:Currently, around 8% of the population in Latin America is 65 years of age or older, still well below Europe’s 18%. By 2050, however, this figure is expected double to 17.5%, and to exceed 30% by the end of the century. In Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina, Galeano argues against pushes for family planning and fears of overpopulation on the premise that Latin America doesn't have an overpopulation problem, but rather an underpopulation problem: quote:Page 21 Would Latin America be served by increasing birth rates (or immigration)? E: immigration would help too. E1: me equivoqué en traducir America Inc. fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Jan 10, 2022 00:22
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Underpopulation is something the entire world outside of Africa and South Asia will suffer from during the latter half of the twenty-first century. It will be especially interesting to see how far these "gently caress off we're full!" types will be pushed as their nation's self-extinct themselves.
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proletariando posted:I think we're all aware of the fact that many developed countries have a problem with aging populations, and supporting said populations with a successively smaller workforce. But could Latin America be on the cusp of a similar problem, and be aging too fast to break into the developed world? Brazil is one of the last agricultural frontiers left in the world, where you can still ger arable land for cheap. Several countries are buying up property because of that. A lot of it is not -ideal-, mind, but recent soil correction techniques and other advances can make it work....at least for a while. And yes, the country had massive populational voids. Basically, everyone wants to live in the near-the-coast cities, with other population centers barely hanging on to sustain local production, or maintained by public jobs and infrastructure (as is the case with the capital, Brasilia). So immigration and a higher birthrate, IF coupled with a strong inner-regions development push, could be a great thing. There's food, much of it is is accessible terrain (really, some of our biggest cities are in rather lovely, unconnected spots for in-country logistics, as they were meant to link with Europe, not other brazilian towns).
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punk rebel ecks posted:Underpopulation is something the entire world outside of Africa and South Asia will suffer from during the latter half of the twenty-first century. Check out Japan.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Check out Japan.
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Underpopulation seems like a fake problem. America only had 280 million people in 1990, oh my stars how did we ever survive such dangerous underpopulation
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VitalSigns posted:Underpopulation seems like a fake problem. America only had 280 million people in 1990, oh my stars how did we ever survive such dangerous underpopulation The issue is having a workforce and general society to support the elderly.
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punk rebel ecks posted:The issue is having a workforce and general society to support the elderly. That's more of a distribution problem in modern industrial society, but yeah sure if you want to care for the elderly and also make sure Bezos and Musk have a few trillion in play money to launch yachts to the moon then yeah I guess you would need a massive force of exploited wage slaves
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VitalSigns posted:That's more of a distribution problem in modern industrial society, but yeah sure if you want to care for the elderly and also make sure Bezos and Musk have a few trillion in play money to launch yachts to the moon then yeah I guess you would need a massive force of exploited wage slaves Quoting Galeano again: quote:Los dispositivos intrauterinos compiten con las bombas y la metralla, en el sudeste asiático, en el esfuerzo por detener el crecimiento de la población de Vietnam. En América Latina resulta más higiénico y eficaz matar a los guerrilleros en los úteros que en las sierras o en las calles. Galeano argues that a larger population of young proletariats heightens the chance of revolution, as opposed to nations full of people too old to fight or lose what they have. If we look at developed countries and their graying populations, can we say the historical trend suggests they are more likely to overthrow capital, if at all? America Inc. fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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VitalSigns posted:That's more of a distribution problem in modern industrial society, but yeah sure if you want to care for the elderly and also make sure Bezos and Musk have a few trillion in play money to launch yachts to the moon then yeah I guess you would need a massive force of exploited wage slaves
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Another conclusion you could draw from what I've been saying is that for Latin America, the time for revolution is now or never, because in between climate change and demographic decline it's only going to get harder to defeat capital. E: it doesn't escape me that I'm essentially arguing Third Worldism America Inc. fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Grouchio posted:Or robot caretakers for the elderly? https://youtu.be/j4IFNKYmLa8
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proletariando posted:Quoting Galeano again: Pursuing the mid 20th century conception of growth at the expense of the earth and society is just as nearsighted and harmful whether it comes from capitalistic ideals or socialist ideals.
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:Africa has a gigantic population of young proletariat. Are they showing the revolution you expect? Fair enough, with climate change it's probably best to avoid increasing population in general. As I said before though, the demographic decline adds an extra reason for urgency.
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proletariando posted:Fair enough, with climate change it's probably best to avoid increasing population in general. As I said before though, the demographic decline adds an extra reason for urgency. I mean climate change and population aren't as linked as you think they are. The Earth could easily handle more people. There are easily enough resources to feed, house, and power the world. The issue boils down to how those resources are distributed and what energy is used to run those resources. Declining populations will help, but not in a world where humans keep thinking of dumb ways to increase energy output in the worst ways possible. Like continuing to use more and more oil in order to power NFT servers.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Underpopulation is something the entire world outside of Africa and South Asia will suffer from during the latter half of the twenty-first century. Self-extinct? More like the globalists enacting the Great Replacement! Miscegenation caused this!!! I'm going to take my anger out on some black people, with my gun  There's your vision of the future.
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CUBA: ... RUSSIA: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1481602625586008067
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Grouchio posted:I wouldn't say Japan is going to self-extinct itself. Rather it's population growth will stagnate and decline a little until it breaks even again, in a few decades (without immigration). Then it's truly stable. Also, to break even again would require birthrates to rise significantly, right? I don't think that'll just happen by itself, you'd need policy or cultural changes.
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Cicero posted:Will stagnate and decline a little? Japan's population has already started declining. And continuing to ask the question of why the young people who have no money, no stability, and no hope aren't having kids, and refusing to listen to the answers.
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proletariando posted:Quoting Galeano again: This assumes that the current generations will automatically inherit more stable and secure living situations as they age, of course. Part of the problem with the modern gerontocracy is that it's pulling up the ladder after itself.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:CUBA: ... If the Cubans and Venezuelans accept who could blame them?
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Nucleic Acids posted:If the Cubans and Venezuelans accept who could blame them? I don't think the Cubans actually want this, is my point.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:CUBA: ... I doubt this is a surprise the Russians just threw on Cuba and Venezuela, they've probably talked about this before. It seems like Russia's overextending too much though, they're already in Ukraine and Tajikistan never mind a deployment on the other side of the planet. E: now that I think about it, if we look at China and its ability to build alliances and infrastructure from Africa to Central Asia to Latam without aggression vs Russia's aggressive, military-dependent strategy I get the impression that Russia is in a bad position and this aggression is coming from weakness. If it weren't for Russia's military what hard or soft power would they have? But that's a different topic. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 14, 2022 |
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I think it's just Russia threatening to redo the Cuban Missile Crisis to get countries off of its back for its preparation to invade Ukraine again. I don't imagine stationing troops would do Cuba or Venezuela any favors. Might do Ukraine some favors to have some lesser amount of Russian troops on its borders ready to invade.
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proletariando posted:I doubt this is a surprise the Russians just threw on Cuba and Venezuela, they've probably talked about this before. It seems like Russia's overextending too much though, they're already in Ukraine and Tajikistan never mind a deployment on the other side of the planet. If we're talking about naval bases, they have had one in Tartus, Syria forever now. And I suppose that would be a good selling point to some governments, given how much Russia helped Assad... (still it would be overextending, but then Russia needs overseas bases to be a serious global sea power which Russia is destined to be :peterthegreatcry:
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proletariando posted:I doubt this is a surprise the Russians just threw on Cuba and Venezuela, they've probably talked about this before. Except it wouldn't make any sense for Cuba to agree to this, given that most Americans outside of Florida don't really give a poo poo about them and even the part of the Cuban exile community that does care is aging out of relevance. The only thing Russian troops in Cuba would do is needlessly annoy the US without giving Cuba itself any actual benefits because it isn't as if Putin's going to send boatloads of foreign aid money with his little green men.
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I admit, it'd be pretty on point for 2022 to begin with a reprise of the Cuban Missile Crisis that promptly concludes when the Admiral Kuznetsov sails into the Caribbean and explodes of its own accord. 
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Grammarchist posted:I admit, it'd be pretty on point for 2022 to begin with a reprise of the Cuban Missile Crisis that promptly concludes when the Admiral Kuznetsov sails into the Caribbean and explodes of its own accord. The kuznetsov explodes and crashes into a US destroyer sparking ww3 on the pretext that Russia tired to break the blockade. The comedy option
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A race to see whose boats can explode first.
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