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Emrikol posted:The post hoc explanation for the lake chandak visit was that they needed to confront their fears and insecurities because the dream realm they're planning on accessing brings out and attacks one's emotions, and they wanted to prepare themselves before they experienced the real poo poo. How they know this when they haven't done it yet and we're still reading the book about it, I'm not sure. I think I can actually accept that as the idea, but I still suspect that Mookie conceived of it as an event happening on the way to another location, but just gave up and made it the destination because he couldn't think of anywhere else for them to be going to. It's the best explanation I can think of for having them be surprised to encounter the person they'd spent hours traveling to see in the place where she lived. They didn't even confront their fears though! They just moped about them for a few hours!
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Fister Roboto posted:They didn't even confront their fears though! They just moped about them for a few hours! That's not true, they totally confronted their fears! By realizing that their fears and self doubts were inconsequential when held up too poor widdle Snout feeling bad because they didn't go fishing with him. And then they were able to steel their resolve because they felt so proud of him for having nasty swamp sex. Seriously, I love how they really did think this grown rear end man ran away because they wouldn't play with him, and no one in the comic, nor the writer, seem to realize this is a huge issue.
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Pulsarcat posted:no one in the comic, nor the writer These are all the same person. Everyone in the comic is Mookie. Mookie is exceptionally, legendarily bad at having characters think differently from himself. He can fake it for a bit, but eventually all his characters will end up thinking like himself. This is why, when Stonewater explained why he "had" to do what he did to Melna, everyone immediately went "Oh okay yeah that's perfectly reasonable and fine," because Mookie thought it was perfectly reasonable and fine. It's also why anyone who had an issue with what Stonewater did was actually being influenced by demons, it's because Mookie knows what Stonewater did was fine, and the only reason someone could think otherwise is they're being lied to or controlled. It's why all Greg needed to do to stop Snowsong is say "Actually, you're the murderer" and she immediately broke down and cried because she realized that her thinking was wrong the entire time. The idea that Snowsong could have rejected Greg's claim by justifying her killing of them is impossible for Mookie, because that would be the character thinking differently from himself. It's why Dominic's ultimate spell is SEE THE TRUTH because every character is just being tricked/lying to themselves, and when confronted with the true, objectively correct way to think, they are powerless to resist. e: I should also say this isn't unique to Mookie, you can see this in a lot of modern Christian entertainment, like God's Not Dead where the atheist professor admits that he knows Christianity is completely true but is just mad at God because his wife died, or the Chick tract Where's Rabbi Waxman? where a Jewish guy reads the New Testament and immediately comes to the conclusion that Jesus was the Messiah, and finds out that all rabbis know this but are suppressing the truth. The idea that people can genuinely decide "God doesn't exist" or "Jesus isn't the Messiah" is completely foreign to the creators of these works, it has to be that they actually know the truth but are evil and lying to themselves and hiding it from others. Twelve by Pies fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jan 8, 2022 |
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Jan 8, 2022 19:38
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I need to get a laser to burn out the parts of my brain that know anything about Dominic Deegan, they're worse than useless. Knowing about this loving comic is actively detrimental to my overall wellbeing.
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Synthbuttrange posted:I need to get a laser to burn out the parts of my brain that know anything about Dominic Deegan, they're worse than useless. Knowing about this loving comic is actively detrimental to my overall wellbeing. This entire post should be the thread title
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Jan 9, 2022 19:04
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thank you for loving dominic deegan
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Jan 10, 2022 09:02
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the legacy experience
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Jan 10, 2022 09:14
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Mx. posted:thank you for loving dominic deegan death of the reader Bismuth posted:the legacy experience lol
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Jan 10, 2022 09:23
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The boredom is the point
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Jan 10, 2022 09:34
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Even Trotsky would say this is far too prolix.
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Samovar posted:Even Trotsky would say this is far too prolix. Anyway...so the big revelation, quote unquote, is that the secret to the rear end In 'O Path is lucid dreaming? Because I have questions. Because I thought that, for example, everybody already knew it had something to do with lucid dreaming and also hasn't, like, literally every loving member of the party already done lucid dreaming in the dream realm? As in they've used dreams like fuckin' zoom meetings to explain poo poo to Snout, like how to get to Maltak. So l-o-fuckin-l if the big sparkly magic secret is something that literally everybody already has. It's like if Tolkien figured you know what, gently caress it, it turns out that Mount Doom is actually just a particularly large hill in Bag End, boom problem solved. Except I guess for this analogy to work all the elf porn would have to be canonical but w/e.
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Mookie I am begging you to just write a self-help book that none of us will read instead of making GBS threads text onto nearly blank pages of your loving webcomic.
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C'mon Mookie let's see the DreamsDreamsBowl.pdf
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So many words for just Lucid Dreaming Good, Do That Again.
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Mx. posted:thank you for loving dominic deegan no more
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SubG posted:Anyway...so the big revelation, quote unquote, is that the secret to the rear end In 'O Path is lucid dreaming? Because I have questions. Because I thought that, for example, everybody already knew it had something to do with lucid dreaming and also hasn't, like, literally every loving member of the party already done lucid dreaming in the dream realm? As in they've used dreams like fuckin' zoom meetings to explain poo poo to Snout, like how to get to Maltak. Well, the most likely options were either that someone else would do it for Snout, or that it would turn out that he didn't actually need to do it after all. "You could already do this all along" is the latter, with the addition of revealing that the effort he did put towards a goal was a foolish waste.
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Jan 10, 2022 15:32
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No Pepsi sacred geometry this time, just words? Lame!
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So is Snout reading a section, not comprehending a single goddamn word, then moving on to the next section with zero knowledge attained? Is that how learning works?
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Snout not understanding anything at all feels extremely fake when part of it makes clear reference to lucid dreaming, which is something he is interested in. When you are reading a hard text and something you recognise shows up that's something that start using to poke at the rest of the text with and try to figure out an interpretation - that is, unless you don't care to put the thought into it and figure it out and you are just forcing yourself to go through with it. Given that this is all about Curious Snout and his Curious Quest... But I am not surprised. This still tracks with how mookie treats the pursuit of knowledge.
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Happy Landfill posted:The boredom is the point 
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Oh wow this is so esoteric I can see why Snout struggles with "Lucid dream and also have that mindset while you're awake and a Cool Magic Thing might just happen" that's such a hard and incomprehensible thought oh woweezowee. Is this like some philosophy Mookie recently came across and, like how when he went to a cabin and the story became about a cabin, is this just, Mookie had a cool idea and decided he's gonna write his 36 Lessons now and Snout's just at the mercy of whatever Mookie's current mood is? When Mookie plays RDR4 is Snout going to get a horse and revolver?
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I'm just gonna replace all this with the actual text of the 36 Lessons in my brain and have a much better time.
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YF-23 posted:Snout not understanding anything at all feels extremely fake when part of it makes clear reference to lucid dreaming, which is something he is interested in. When you are reading a hard text and something you recognise shows up that's something that start using to poke at the rest of the text with and try to figure out an interpretation - that is, unless you don't care to put the thought into it and figure it out and you are just forcing yourself to go through with it. Given that this is all about Curious Snout and his Curious Quest... I also think it's just kinda weird how there's really nothing about this big important McGuffin of a book by Dominic Himself Deegan that actually telegraphs its Dominic-ness, if that makes sense. Like say you read through the original comic and then here you encounter these extracts from the book in Legacy. If you didn't know who the author is supposed to be it isn't like you'd be going oh poo poo that sounds like Dominic based on the prose style or whatever. And you wouldn't be guessing it was connected to Dominic because dream magic and Dominic are intrinsically linked in the original comic, or anything like that. Like in a better narrative you'd start wondering if the book was a forgery or pseudepigraph. And if the comic didn't go out of its way to insist certain things about Snout, you'd conclude he was meant to be seen as a not particularly bright, profoundly incurious bumpkin who has no attention span and exhibits childish intransigence when bored. Like not in a tee-hee I'm going to develop a wild contrarian reading of the comic sort of way. But as in a this appears to be the plain meaning of what's presented sort of way. It's like Mookie wanted to tell this story about this guy that everybody underestimates because he's deaf and dresses like an extra on Hee Haw but he, Mookie, has gotten bored and confused by his own comic and has forgotten that the message is supposed to be "appearances can be deceiving" or whatever, and is slowly sliding into depicting Snout as actually being the superficial thing he, as a character, was originally designed to subvert.
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Midnight Voyager posted:I'm just gonna replace all this with the actual text of the 36 Lessons in my brain and have a much better time. Same but it’s the lyrics of 36 Chambers
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Maybe Mookie has been reading Kill Six Billion Demons and liked the faux philosophy, folklore, and ancient texts Abaddon inserts in the news section for many updates, and decided to take a crack at it himself. Except, you know, he's real bad at it.
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Snout's entire reason for being on this quest is curiosity. His curiosity is what's driving him to learn about DD's legacy. But he apparently hates actually learning anything about it. It's would be like wanting to be a great artist, but you hate taking art classes.
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Fister Roboto posted:Snout's entire reason for being on this quest is curiosity. His curiosity is what's driving him to learn about DD's legacy. So, Mookie
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Fister Roboto posted:It's would be like wanting to be a great artist, but you hate taking art classes. I've known a lot of people like this - they like the idea of being something, but don't actually put the work in to get there. If that were an actual character trait that Snout had, it could be interesting - Mookie's convention panel about writing characters included a segment about writing what you know and giving your characters your own least-cool characteristics and flaws. Because people like that aren't necessarily just lazy - oftentimes they have depression or ADHD or something else going on that makes it much more difficult to do the things they want. Especially in a setting that isn't as advanced as ours (ignoring the ink spaceships), exploring a character who is curious and wants to learn about things, but also has to overcome a disability to do it would be an interesting ongoing conflict that's probably relatable to a lot of people. Yeah Snout's deaf, but all it's ever used for is when he pouts about not being included on conversations, and then has everything explained to him in a text dump anyway.
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Fister Roboto posted:It's would be like wanting to be a great artist, but you hate taking art classes. Well, yeah. Only bad guys ever need to work for anything. Good guys get what they want dropped into their laps, fully formed.
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Robot Style posted:I've known a lot of people like this - they like the idea of being something, but don't actually put the work in to get there. Yeah, for sure, this is a pretty decent premise, and in the hands of a writer who actually wanted to tell a good story, it would be the impetus for character growth. But Snout never has to grow as a character, because when his poor widdle brain gets full, mommy or daddy or some other character will come along to coddle him and tell him he's perfect and just explain everything for him.
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Pseudoscorpion posted:Well, yeah. Only bad guys ever need to work for anything. Good guys get what they want dropped into their laps, fully formed. That actually gets mentioned in Mookie's panel too - he doesn't like the trope of warrior characters constantly training for their upcoming battles at the expense of character development, so he seems to have overcompensated to the degree where characters who do any degree of preparation are coded as villains. Mookie posted:Going back real fast to quirks and such. And the big brawling baddasses that we just love to root for. In my experience they don't seem to have a whole lot of interesting quirks. They don't seem to have the human hook that I really can relate to. It's always the same thing to me - they always seem to be training:
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Training for the fight that is my destiny. The fight that will save everyone. And I must fight because the fight is everything and I must train.
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I'm honestly not sure what he's going for. Either the text is meant to be difficult and indecipherable and Snout's reaction is valid, or it's meant to be a coherent expression of how magic works/a valid clue to what will happen. If the former, the text is way too simple, if you can parse the average zen koan this is nothing. If the latter, your protagonist is stupider and/or lazier than the average reader. I mean obviously, reading this formally, the only interpretation is that Snout is dumber than a box of hair. But does Mookie know this?
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Robot Style posted:Yeah, he acts it out onstage and everything. God, I just…I don’t have the words. I cannot explain how stupid this is.
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YF-23 posted:Snout not understanding anything at all feels extremely fake when part of it makes clear reference to lucid dreaming, which is something he is interested in. When you are reading a hard text and something you recognise shows up that's something that start using to poke at the rest of the text with and try to figure out an interpretation - that is, unless you don't care to put the thought into it and figure it out and you are just forcing yourself to go through with it. Given that this is all about Curious Snout and his Curious Quest... Mookie himself doesn't read probably anything more advanced than ya lit and never will. He completely doesn't understand how philosophy, science, engineering, math, etc are written (or that the writing differa depending on the context and audience)
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I'm pretty sure the only genre of action/adventure story Mookie would be exposed to where the main characters are constantly training is shonen manga. But something like Dragonball is usually pretty interested in its characters' outsized comic quirks, and the fact that it's a martial arts story means a lot of those quirks come out in training. Or HunterxHunter, which has some of the weirdest character portraits out there, and often expresses this through their bizarre training and combat styles. I get the sense Mookie isn't a very good author.
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Midnight Voyager posted:I'm just gonna replace all this with the actual text of the 36 Lessons in my brain and have a much better time. brb going to purposefully fail to achieve CHIM so I am erased from existence and never think of this comic again.
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Robot Style posted:That actually gets mentioned in Mookie's panel too - he doesn't like the trope of warrior characters constantly training for their upcoming battles at the expense of character development, so he seems to have overcompensated to the degree where characters who do any degree of preparation are coded as villains. loving hell Mookie, most training sequences ARE about character development. Exactly what media is he watching or reading where this is that big of a problem? That entire panel is so loving bizarre. I'd listen to the whole thing again and pick it apart if I could stand to listen to him talk long enough to actually transcribe it. It's all very specific and very weird tropes that, for the most part, don't really exist or don't make sense. Like your example above, or his weird rant against farmboys as protagonists, in which you come to the conclusion that he only likes protagonists that are unlikely... WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF A FARMBOY BEING A PROTAGONIST. It's unlikely! But he very specifically hates it when it's a farmboy - guards or seers? Great! Farmboys? gently caress that. Edit: here's a quote from when I did try to watch it: "Take the masks off the cannon fodder and get characters. If you put the spotlight on the usual 'unlikely heroes' like 'farm boys' *waves his hand like he's grossed out*, put it on the information brokers, the guys who build the weapons for the mercenary heroes, the seers, the squires, the working class, the guards for god's sakes! Put the spotlight on them, that is step 1 for making a hero that is REALLY unlikely." Mookie.... How are farmboys not "working class"? How are they not the DEFINITION of "cannon fodder"? And also... Robot Style posted:Yeah, he acts it out onstage and everything. ... Most of the panel is him theatrically acting stuff out to kill time. He has a whole several minute long sequence of acting out (what he considers) a dumb meathead action sequence that contributes 0 to the overall point. It's peak cringe. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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