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Would be interesting to see how many votes they'd get if they ran candidates who didn't have to worry about getting deselected or towing the party line and just went all in on calling the current MP a bellend at every hustings
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Bobby Deluxe posted:But the other problem is I can only imagine how absolutely insane the takes would get if Corbyn started any party with the word socialist in the name. Even that's no guarantee - Europe is littered with centrist and centre-right "socialist" parties. You could probably start the wildly successful "Hang Landlords from Lampposts, Yes We Do Mean Literally Party" and within a few decades find your MPs arguing how the party has a long, proud tradition of supporting renters by ensuring a strong buy-to-let market and flexible housing contracts.
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I see Keith’s finally grown enough balls, or consulted enough focus groups, to call Johnson a liar
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The joke from the Simpsons about the 'No Luke Akehursts' club.
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New party should be called Red Wall, both in reference to Labour's base and also where the bourgeoisie will meet their fates.
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Jan 11, 2022 14:11
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Jan 11, 2022 14:14
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As the inheritor of the great liberal traditions, acting as a bulwark against neoliberalism from the States, I think he should go for the Western Wall party
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Guavanaut posted:If Die Linke, Levice, Levica, Lewica, La Sinistra, Déi Lénk, and La Izquierda are good enough for Europe then why not just The Left? It feels the most correct and we'd be in good company except for 1. Our very Tory press, and 2. The fact "left" in English also means the past tense of "leave" They'd have a field day with it on the headlines and it doesn't... *shudder* brand well. Although, if they could get out in front of it it might work. Sort of, "Labour abandoned its socialist base. So, we Left"
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The reason we had a notionally left wing party in the first place is because it grew from the mass engagement of the working class You need to do it that way round, mass engagement -> party, not party -> mass engagement. Not sure that's ever worked anywhere (for the left I mean, the right loving love unifying around a strong authority figure) How to get the mass engagement is anyone's guess.
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ThomasPaine posted:I agree, just 'the left' would be fine Die Left, Die It's german for the.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Die Left, Die But enough about Labour.
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Alliance for Green Socialism Breakthrough Party Communist League Left Unity Socialist Equality Party Socialist Labour Party Socialist Party of Great Britain Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC) Workers Party of Britain Workers' Revolutionary Party Socialist Party (England and Wales) Socialist Party Scotland Socialist Workers Party Communist Party of Britain Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee) New Communist Party of Britain Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain (Marxist–Leninist) Scottish Republican Socialist Movement Scottish Socialist Party Northern Independence Party Defunct parties: Solidarity RISE – Scotland's Left Alliance Black Unity and Freedom Party Common Wealth Party Democratic Left (Great Britain) Labour Independent Group National Democratic and Labour Party One Love Party People's Justice Party (UK) Pirate Party UK Respect Party Respect Renewal Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1944) Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1978) Wirral Independent Network Democratic Labour Party (UK, 1998) Fellowship Party Independent Labour Network Independent Socialist Party (UK) Labour Union (UK) Left List London Socialist Alliance Manhood Suffrage League Red Front (UK) Red Party Republican Labour Party Scottish Labour Party (1888) Scottish Labour Party (1976) Socialist Green Unity Coalition Socialist People's Party (Furness) Socialist Union (UK) Solidarity (UK) United Socialist Party (UK) British Socialist Party Colne Valley Labour Union Communist Party of Great Britain Jersey Communist Party Appeal Group Committee to Defeat Revisionism, for Communist Unity Communist League (UK, 1932) Communist League of Great Britain Communist Party of Scotland Democratic Left (Great Britain) Fife Socialist League Revolutionary Marxist–Leninist League Workers' Socialist Federation Communist League Workers' Institute of Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought Working People's Party of England International Marxist Group League for Socialist Action (UK) Socialist Unity (UK) Scottish Militant Labour Communist League (UK, 1932) Communist League (UK, 1990) International Socialist Group International Socialist Group (Scotland) Marxist Group (UK) Marxist Party Militant Group Permanent Revolution Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1938) Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1957) Revolutionary Socialist Party (UK) Revolutionary Workers' Party (Trotskyist) Workers' International League (1937) Workers' International League (1985) Workers' Power (UK) Workers' Socialist League Northern Ireland Labour Party Tower Hamlets First Aspire (political party) People's Alliance of Tower Hamlets Independent Labour Party Scottish Socialist Party (1932) Socialist Party of Northern Ireland Socialist Labour Party (UK, 1903) Socialist League (UK, 1885) The Socialist Propaganda League The Social Science Association The Movement for Social Integration I didn't have much to do today! I'm sure there are plenty on there that aren't strictly parties, or aren't really left wing. Also, I'm sure there's loads I've missed. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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lmao forgot about RISE, what a fine example of massive galaxy brain egos squandering all of the genuine momentum of the radical independence campaign.
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Alliance of Socialist Solidarity For the United Kingdom
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I've thought about this and I think the only chance you'd have to actually get a new party working is if you had at least 20+ Labour MPs split and all simultaneously resign and trigger by-elections. It would mean they could fight a mini-election on their terms and it not be about anti-tory tactical voting, while gaining huge amounts of news coverage to embed themselves in the public consciousness and shift the overton window a bit. It'd be a hugely risky strategy and you'd have to time it right. But given how right wing our media is I just don't know if you could get it to work. Edit: and you probably wouldn't want to put "socialist" in the name because then it's begging for disingenuous media coverage and most average voters just wouldn't see past it.
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What's going on with NIP anyway, it seemed to have a heady social media campaign earlier in 2021
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Still trucking along. They've been a bit quieter recently cos Twitter locked them out of their account but they have it back now.
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The Your Granddad's Labour Party
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Isn't the issue with many smaller left-wing UK parties that they are horrifically transphobic?
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Apparently they learned a lot from their first by-election, pod James has talked about it a bit on PraxisCast. I'm sure they said they're quietly plotting and building strength for their next opportunity.
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Skull Servant posted:Isn't the issue with many smaller left-wing UK parties that they are horrifically transphobic? Also the larger ones too OP
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Counteract negative media coverage by calling it "The bit.ly/xxxx Party", where the shortlink goes directly to a summary of the party's main views Also make real loving sure nobody can hijack the bitly link
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Call it "The Left Party'); DROP TABLE Voters;--" to screw with other parties voter registration tables. Please note I don't know how to into SQL, and I don't care to learn
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keep punching joe posted:Also the larger ones too OP Oh yeah of course. Meant more that it's difficult to move to a smaller party for solidarity when they are just as transphobic as the larger ones.
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Isomermaid posted:It feels the most correct and we'd be in good company except for New campaign poster for The Left: 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Call it "The Left Party'); DROP TABLE Voters;--" to screw with other parties voter registration tables. Are Unicode characters allowed? pre:"The Left Party ☑️"
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TACD posted:Are Unicode characters allowed? Lol
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i'm sure it's going to be difficult for any new left wing party. Being leftist is the hard mode of politics already. But I kinda feel people are carefully constructing scenarios where nothing works so why bother and it's kinda coming off like learned helplessness. I agree that the chances of a new party getting anywhere in the next decade are slim but I think it's worth a shot. The status quo is obviously not working for us so why not try something? I think it's easy for people not used to dealing with depression to fall into poisonous thought patterns that they don't readily recognise as bad and this is one of those times. We literally have nothing to lose. Left labour is dead and Starmer is trying his best to rush to the right of the tories. Is there a better time for trying a new thing? To inject a little chaos into british politics?
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Comrade Fakename posted:Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 1978) Skull Servant posted:Oh yeah of course. Meant more that it's difficult to move to a smaller party for solidarity when they are just as transphobic as the larger ones. A mass line party like Momentum tried to build in Labour during Corbyn's leadership will have some number of racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, antisemites, and so on, because it is a reflection of a general population that has those. It's also more likely to have a mechanism to get those people to shut the gently caress up at meetings, unless it reaches the point where the grievance procedure is itself captured. Small parties inevitably become cliquey or personality projects or just toxic as hell as compaction cycles for wrongthought and a complete lack of grievance procedures other than "leave then" manage to cement all the worst thought right in the middle. Erica Lagalisse has some good essays about how that often works out.
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The media love to play whack a mole with every left politician and policy that pops up, combined with the voting Right's ability to form fasc-voltron at every election has put a lot of people off I think, maybe for good. It doesnt help that the left still struggles with ideological purity and the resultant crab bucket mentality. e: while checking my crab based reference I learned that in people this behaviour is called 'tall poppy syndrome' kecske fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Skull Servant posted:Isn't the issue with ... UK ... that they are horrifically transphobic?
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kecske posted:e: while checking my crab based reference I learned that in people this behaviour is called 'tall poppy syndrome'
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The best hope for the English (and therefore British) left right now is if Andy Burnham wins a byelection and ousts Starmer before the next GE. And even then Burnham is poo poo but at least he seems to be able to connect to normal human beings.
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keep punching joe posted:The best hope for the English (and therefore British) left right now is if Andy Burnham wins a byelection and ousts Starmer before the next GE. And even then Burnham is poo poo but at least he seems to be able to connect to normal human beings. Which is a poo poo situation to be in, but here we are
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Surely given media bias the answer is to not have left or socialist in the name. Maybe just the "decent human beings party" or the less subtle "not elitist entitled jerks party" More seriously, any party trying to get past the British media in order to engage with the voting public probably has to steer away from leftist or socialist labels and that is the problem because in doing so you end up back at Keith and end up centre right at best. In order for this to work the fisrt thing that needs to happen is for the media to be held to account and no. I have zero idea how you do that.
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Boris Johnson is a loving oval office Party of England and Wales
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