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Tesseraction posted:the "We're Not Nonces" Party Borrovan posted:raising a lot of questions already answered by &c
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Tesseraction posted:the "We're Not Nonces" Party Does it work on the same rules as the "No Homers Club"?
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Jan 11, 2022 16:16
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Failed Imagineer posted:Alliance of Socialist Solidarity For the United Kingdom 
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Jan 11, 2022 16:19
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keep punching joe posted:lmao forgot about RISE, what a fine example of massive galaxy brain egos squandering all of the genuine momentum of the radical independence campaign. The RIC was very cool and imho pre-empted much of the same energy in Scotland Corbynism did in the UK as a whole. RISE could I think have been a decent party and some of the people involved (e.g. Cat Boyd) were on paper pretty cool. Unfortunately I get the impression the org as a whole was dominated by the most obnoxious kind of middle class book group lefties. A friend of a friend was big into them and certainly fit the bill - zero sense of humour, sent us all to sleep by waffling on about Gramsci in the pub when we just wanted to drink pints and talk poo poo, extreme holier than thou energy. My partner was involved with some other left-wing groups at the time and apparently RISE were burning bridges left and right by essentially adopting the SWP playbook and trying to make every drat event about them + trying to insist they had some right to overall leadership of the whole pro-indy socialist scene. The whole thing reeked of a bunch of people seeing Syriza and trying to cargo-cult the aesthetics of that without even remotely taking the time to adapt their strategy or even consider what had been successful in Greece and why. It's a shame, there was a lot of energy in the RIC and it could have gone places.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:26
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TACD posted:Counteract negative media coverage by calling it "The bit.ly/xxxx Party", where the shortlink goes directly to a summary of the party's main views IIRC URLs are specifically banned from party names by the Electoral Commission, possibly to make it slightly harder to pull off the biggest goatseing since Menshn shut down.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:28
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goddamnedtwisto posted:IIRC URLs are specifically banned from party names by the Electoral Commission, possibly to make it slightly harder to pull off the biggest goatseing since Menshn shut down. Jel Shaker posted:is lemon party taken
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Jan 11, 2022 16:32
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RISE could have succeeded as a party if theyd just focused on local elections. They certainly had enough motivated support to return candidates in low turnout areas. Instead they focused on ideological purity, attacking the SNP/Greens, and were ground under the heels of Sturgeon in the Scottish Parliament elections (as was always inevitable).
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Jan 11, 2022 16:34
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Failed Imagineer posted:Does it work on the same rules as the "No Homers Club"? Are you asking if you can join?
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Jan 11, 2022 16:41
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Hmm... so web URLs are out... but they don't say anything about other protocols, gonna set up a party on a MUD and register the name with an anonymous Telnet link and there's nothing they can do to stop me.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:41
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Just realised there are *definitely* more people playing on MUDs via telnet right now than members of CUKTIG at its height.
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How Do I Join Your Party? First you'll need a VT100 compatible terminal emulator, set the data rate to 9600, 8N1 parity, remember to turn flow control off... ThomasPaine posted:Unfortunately I get the impression the org as a whole was dominated by the most obnoxious kind of middle class book group lefties. Guavanaut posted:Erica Lagalisse has some good essays about how that often works out. Specifically 'good politics' as an analog of 'good manners' and 'good taste' in that they function mostly as bourgeois gatekeeping while allowing the holder of them pretend that it's just about being decent.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:45
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Tesseraction posted:Are you asking if you can join? lol owned
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Regarde Aduck posted:i'm sure it's going to be difficult for any new left wing party. Being leftist is the hard mode of politics already. But I kinda feel people are carefully constructing scenarios where nothing works so why bother and it's kinda coming off like learned helplessness. I agree that the chances of a new party getting anywhere in the next decade are slim but I think it's worth a shot. The status quo is obviously not working for us so why not try something? I think it's easy for people not used to dealing with depression to fall into poisonous thought patterns that they don't readily recognise as bad and this is one of those times. We literally have nothing to lose. Left labour is dead and Starmer is trying his best to rush to the right of the tories. Is there a better time for trying a new thing? To inject a little chaos into british politics? Yeah, exactly: the current situation is poo poo, so why not try something different? I miss the feeling of hope that I had during Corbyn's time as leader and I'd love to have that energy again working with a new left-wing party. You never will get anything better if you start from the premise that all you can ever hope for is more of the same.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:58
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There's a million posts about how the as yet entirely notional Corbyn party can never ever ever sustain a worldwide proletarian revolution but what are the actual downsides today? -He's going to be running as an independent anyway; -he's going to get hosed over by the PLP/media whether he's an independent or a 'P&J party' member; -if it turns into a CUKTIG fiasco it dies with him. It might not have all the answers right now but that's not a reason to pass on the idea; most of labour's remaining safe seats are in constituencies that are very susceptible to a party espousing Corbynite values. Put the wind up a few of them! We can worry about majoritarian drift if and when he's won 300 seats and is vying to be the party of government. Mainly it would be good to do something! Nothing ever gets off the ground if every time a new party or approach is mooted people fall out of the woodwork with here's why it'll fail. You can always continue to vote for the labour party/not vote if it doesn't pan out! I don't think he'll do it because he's only outside the labour party becasue they kicked him out; he didn't leave after iraq and after 50years I think he really does believe wholeheartedly.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:00
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Why not all just join the E&W Green party en masse and kick out all the Tories and Terfs? Seems less effort than starting yet another flavour of 'electoral vehicle for the left that will be igored by 99% of the population'.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:03
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+ we can get a sneaky peek at which commentators currently talking big talk about the labour party being not fit for purpose have "with a heavy heart we must vote for keith to get the tories out" posts queued up for the second the short campaign kicks off
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Jan 11, 2022 17:06
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smellmycheese posted:I see Keith’s finally grown enough balls, or consulted enough focus groups, to call Johnson a liar Did he actually use the word liar? Dodds was on the news early steadfastly refusing to say liar and repeatedly saying "failure to tell the truth".
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Jan 11, 2022 17:09
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keep punching joe posted:Why not all just join the E&W Green party en masse and kick out all the Tories and Terfs? we tried that tactic with Labour and, erm, it didn't work so well
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Jan 11, 2022 17:11
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keep punching joe posted:Why not all just join the E&W Green party en masse and kick out all the Tories and Terfs? Seems less effort than starting yet another flavour of 'electoral vehicle for the left that will be igored by 99% of the population'. sounds like a good plan, lets do both
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Andoman posted:Surely given media bias the answer is to not have left or socialist in the name. Maybe just the "decent human beings party" or the less subtle "not elitist entitled jerks party" I know you didn't mean it like that, but 'decent human beings' is a phrase that usually chills my blood to hear because of who's usually saying it.
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Julio Cruz posted:we tried that tactic with Labour and, erm, it didn't work so well Labour is incredibly and uniquely antidemocratic and armoured against entryism, though.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:17
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If in your heart of hearts you're going to trudge down on election day and vote for keith as the least worst option come what may then fine, but own up to it now and stop pissing into other peoples tents. If you're truly not going to vote or will vote for some other no hope joke party what have you got to lose!
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Jan 11, 2022 17:18
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Lungboy posted:Did he actually use the word liar? Dodds was on the news early steadfastly refusing to say liar and repeatedly saying "failure to tell the truth". https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1480836060703776776?t=Sb6n9ZWcIhC5IR3UUWgNXA&s=19
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TACD posted:Counteract negative media coverage by calling it "The bit.ly/xxxx Party", where the shortlink goes directly to a summary of the party's main views And be sure to bag all relevant twitter handles, website names etc BEFORE announcing existence of the party! Didn't CUKTIG also fk that one up? Or was it some other useless bunch?
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Common Sense Party. You know this to be true. Call themselves that and keep talking about common sense and having fully costed policies and ideas with logical progression and keep calling it common sense and it all miraculously ends with socialist policies. But they're okay because they're not socialist, they're just common sense.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:You have clearly never met the kind of Christian who has managed to bend the definition of 'love' to cover 'discriminate and hound them into misery, for their own sake.' It'd be repurposed by Daily Mail readers within a week. Its a fair point and a retract my suggestion.
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I feel similarly iffy about Peace & Justice as a party name because of the whole '& Justice' bit being ruined by the likes of PiS (flaps). Hopefully the project and the party have different names if that's the way Corbyn's circle want to go.
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The Fight For Your Rights To party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk
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Bobby Deluxe posted:https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1480836060703776776?t=Sb6n9ZWcIhC5IR3UUWgNXA&s=19 this is so dumb, even if johnson says 'hell yeah I was shotgunning special brew in the no.10 garden' what's the next step? there's not going to be any followup or accountability for any of it imo e: 379 deaths today kecske fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Andoman posted:Surely given media bias the answer is to not have left or socialist in the name. Maybe just the "decent human beings party" or the less subtle "not elitist entitled jerks party" I agree with this unironically. My first thought was that being called "The Left" and getting any level of base recognition immediately causes problems for "moderates" like Streeting: "Starmer and the rest of the left need to oppose this!" "lol starmer isn't in the Left, he's in Labour" But it's not worth it. It would make it difficult for those ghouls who know their politics don't align but want the label so that people don't realise they're cunts. The cost is that people who agree with left wing policies but recoil from "the left" reflexively after decades of propaganda are definitely not going to vote for that party. And just look at those surveys that compare support for Corbyn's manifesto with and without knowing who it was coming from. No Dignity posted:A Corbyn founded party would be doomed from the outset regardless of the name imo, he should just lean into it and run on a Peace and Love Alliance For Feeding The Ducks platform So really you end up here. The name has to be closely attached to a position or a policy, not just an identity. Labour as the party name didn't force the PLP to argue they were in favour of policies that help the working class, it just forced them to argue that their parents were working class. Unfortunately you can't even use something like the Living Wage Party since Osborne hosed that already.
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They could go with The Hard Left just to answer that age old question
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Scikar posted:Unfortunately you can't even use something like the Dead Pig Party since Cameron hosed that already.
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Darth Walrus posted:Labour is incredibly and uniquely antidemocratic and armoured against entryism, though. they only started putting up that armour when it looked like the Tories and terfs might start getting deselected, though I strongly doubt the Greens would turn out to be any different
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SMF: The Tolerant Left
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Rustybear posted:There's a million posts about how the as yet entirely notional Corbyn party can never ever ever sustain a worldwide proletarian revolution but what are the actual downsides today? He's still in the party, he just hasn't had the whip restored, which he is currently trying to challenge. And Starmer is doing his best to stall it because he knows he has no case and it's going to make him look bad. Corbyn is a decent person with good principles who has consistently stood up for the oppressed, and at this point the least he deserves is not to let the right rewrite his record. We already know he's much better at doing the right thing than he is at convincing others to do the same, it's almost cruel to pin more hopes and expectations on him that he might somehow challenge the establishment better this time around if he's head of a different party.
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Szmitten posted:Common Sense Party. I actually quite like this idea. And it has subtle double-meaning a bit like The Left (left-wing/we left) - Common Sense in the Wetherspoons/QT audience way and 'it is sensible to look out for all, like holding stuff 'in common/the original meaning of commonwealth' ' way
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Szmitten posted:Common Sense Party. Words don't mean anything any more. You'd literally have to call it the "Labour 2017 manifesto party" and put in the charter that if you don't advocate for the policies and values contained within that manifesto you can gently caress off, and someone would still rules lawyer their way into selling the NHS off the back of it.
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I really don't think a Corbyn-led party would get anywhere electorally. I was talking to my boss (a self-confessed centrist) and said I admired Corbyn and she said 'Everything I've read about him makes me hate him.' I mean where do you even start! Like so many other 'reasonable, socially conscious' folk she reads the Guardian and so if the so-called 'left' Guardian kicked the poo poo out of Corbyn he must be a bad person. I think she is probably far more typical of the average unhappy-with-tories electorate than we are here. I told her I'd had dealings with him in the 90s when I worked in the NHS (which I did - and 'we' were not in his good books as it were with what was going on - estate related not medical - and I admired his tenacity, concern for people affected by what 'we' were up to etc. She was really surprised (mind you she would have been not even 10 years old at that point) and had absorbed the right wing bollox that he is some sort of lazy arse, back-bench, do nothing, no 'real life' experience, obsessed with Israel/Palestine,careerist nut job
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I really don't think a Corbyn-led party would get anywhere electorally. Yeah, my first response to that would be to ask if they read about him campaigning against apartheid and being arrested for it, and if that was included in things they hate him for.
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Scikar posted:Yeah, my first response to that would be to ask if they read about him campaigning against apartheid and being arrested for it, and if that was included in things they hate him for. Almost certainly not unless the Guardian published an article about it in the last 5 years! People just don't read around - I'm wary these days of saying "do your own research" as it gets used by the anti-vaxxers etc so much these days! It's just a skim of the headlines and whatever is on the News at 10. Eg my friends who think JK Rowling "she seems like a nice lady and is getting an undeserved kicking" because 'women should be allowed to say what facilities women can use' for example (so I did try and argue about that one but it was like talking to a brick wall) - but has never read JKR's twitter feed (most people I know across the age groups don't read twitter at all.) or another friend who thinks that there is not enough housing to go round so we should stop refugees/asylum seekers etc and 'look after our own' despite the fact there IS enough housing to go round it's just not necessarily well-served with basic infrastructure or jobs which is something political will could resolve. I know the response of some on here will be 'stop being friends with people like that' but when you get to your 60s and people have been exceptionally good friends over the years, and it seems only since brexshit that these huge divisions have appeared 'out loud' anyway, and some have modified their opinions after discussions (and you never know which friends are going to modify their opinions!) Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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