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"straight up pro USSR Poland ball memes" Lmao oh no the horror
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Jan 11, 2022 19:37
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DiscountDildos posted:I don't even understand what's supposed to be fascinating about this lol. Trumpchud turned China Watcher posts a video of Chinese workers in PPE because he know it makes the idiot hogs who follow him squeal. Wtf is the "Russia connection" supposed to even imply that the right wingers are very xenophobically trying to turn us against china at the behest of their lord and master putin who seeks to subjugate us to the will of his slavic hordes
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Jan 11, 2022 19:41
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FishBulbia posted:Goddamn, would you be so forgiving to say, joe biden's covid response? where ideology prevented the solutions from being considered and greatly exacerbated deaths. The two are actually remarkably similar. “I do not think that Joe Biden deliberately murdered 800,000 Americans out of malice because as his political opponents, they deserved to die. his handling of COVID is terrible but it isn’t terrible on purpose just to own the chuds”. there are? I did it. I did genocide denial for Biden
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Jan 11, 2022 19:45
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eSports Chaebol posted:“I do not think that Joe Biden deliberately murdered 800,000 Americans out of malice because as his political opponents, they deserved to die. his handling of COVID is terrible but it isn’t terrible on purpose just to own the chuds”. there are? I did it. I did genocide denial for Biden You repeatedly claiming, in contradiction of provided evidence, and with no evidence of your own, that the executive is doing nothing, let alone that it is actively malicious, doesn't make it true. You repeatedly conflating the different parts of the government and ignoring the specifics of how different parts and individuals function doesn't obligate the rest of us to share in your bad faith.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:46
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FishBulbia posted:So just to clarify, you think it would be wrong to judge Biden's policy choices? you will never have more facts about the situation than Biden personally did so how can you possibly know Biden is a capitalist who's lifetime goal is taking as much money from bankers as possible. I assume he has all the information, and is using it to accomplish this goal
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Jan 11, 2022 19:47
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FishBulbia posted:So just to clarify, you think it would be wrong to judge Biden's policy choices? you will never have more facts about the situation than Biden personally did so how can you possibly know Joe Biden has completely fumbled the covid response especially given the context of what he knows about communicable diseases and the American healthcare system. Cpt_Obvious posted:Post on your main, coward.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:48
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:smells like Brahminsplaining The brahmin filled CPI and CPM did the land redistribution. Meanwhile the biggest dalit party in India essentially complains that the left is too casteist and puts statues of ambedkar while landless dalit women are regularly raped by upper caste thakur landlords. mila kunis posted:he's talking about the exploitation of caste divisions during the raj, those faultlines absolutely existed then and still exist today in places like maharashtra where shiv sena/bjp shitheads routinely harass and attack dalits, ambedkarites and others Thats more of a marathi problem and even in the last election that got the maharashtra nazbol government in power the divisions in rural maharashtra were explicitly linguistic. The Shiv Sena ran on a platform of Uddhav and Balasaheb Thackeray as the marathi speakers while the BJP was the gujarati party of capital. The BJP literally can't help inflame these divisions because their entire platform up until now has been plastering modi's face everywhere and saying VOTE.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:48
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Rutibex posted:Biden is a capitalist who's lifetime goal is taking as much money from bankers as possible. I assume he has all the information, and is using it to accomplish this goal right so basically anything is justifiable if you agree with the ends; what ever, this IS tedious.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:50
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if you think about it, biden is currently doing at least 4 genocides ( #1 covid mostly killing poor POCs, free bombs for yemen and palestine, stolen money resulting in famines for afghans), while xi is doing a cultural genocideas a lesser evil voting person i know who i'm supporting
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Jan 11, 2022 19:54
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Truga posted:if you think about it, biden is currently doing at least 4 genocides ( Far more than 4 imo https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/sanctions-programs-and-country-information
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Jan 11, 2022 19:56
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FishBulbia posted:right so basically anything is justifiable if you agree with the ends; what ever, this IS tedious. I mean isn’t this the reasoning in the first place? the ends: opposing communism. the means: support for literal nazis is not only justified, but necessary
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Jan 11, 2022 20:03
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charge all doctors who perform amputations with assault. “the patient would have died otherwise” is a cop out. the ends don’t justify the means. deliberately mutilating human beings is immoral
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Jan 11, 2022 20:06
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eSports Chaebol posted:I mean isn’t this the reasoning in the first place? the ends: opposing communism. the means: support for literal nazis is not only justified, but necessary I don't get how saying collectivization sure killed a lot of people is the same as supporting nazis
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Jan 11, 2022 20:06
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For Promise Li, a young member of the Democratic Socialists of America born in Hong Kong, China’s crackdown was personal. “I have contacts and friends who are either imprisoned or under threat right now,” said Li, a cofounder of the Lausan Collective, which runs a site highlighting left-wing activist voices in Hong Kong. During the unrest, Li proposed that DSA’s International Committee put out a statement condemning the shuttering of Hong Kong’s largest independent labor organization. But the effort was rejected after a straw poll spanning the IC’s subcommittees. According to Anlin Wang, an American-born Chinese DSA member and cochair of the Asia and Oceania subcommittee, there was an overwhelming three-to-one consensus against saying anything. “We tried our hardest to make sure that this was as maximally democratic as possible,” said Wang. “I think there are strong arguments on both sides.” To Li, the incident reflects the influence within the DSA of “tankies,” a derogatory Cold War–era term for defenders of authoritarian communist regimes, which is often used now to call someone a China apologist. “There’s a big group of people who aren’t exactly tankies but see the tankie side as equally valid and try to preserve the unity of the left,” Li said. For his part, Wang acknowledges that such views circulate on Twitter, but he said he’s never seen them in his subcommittee Slack. “When we started the subcommittee, I was very committed to making sure that it didn’t devolve constantly into ideological fights where one side gets called ‘tankies’ and the other side gets called ‘liberal sellouts,’” Wang said.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:07
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FishBulbia posted:I don't get how saying collectivization sure killed a lot of people is the same as supporting nazis saying that the Ukraine famine was a planned famine is used as an origin myth for Ukrainian neo nazis. and it’s pretty suspicious to be so insistent that the best outcome for the Soviets, Russian, Ukrainian, et al would have been to put the brakes on industrialization in the lead up to WW2. there was a country in WW2 run by nazis that wanted to kill all the Slavs! and again nobody is denying Stalin did plenty of heinous poo poo and people have posted examples itt. so it’s the insistence on the Holodomor that is all about ideology and not material circumstances
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Jan 11, 2022 20:12
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Atrocious Joe posted:For Promise Li, a young member of the Democratic Socialists of America born in Hong Kong, China’s crackdown was personal. “I have contacts and friends who are either imprisoned or under threat right now,” said Li, a cofounder of the Lausan Collective, which runs a site highlighting left-wing activist voices in Hong Kong. During the unrest, Li proposed that DSA’s International Committee put out a statement condemning the shuttering of Hong Kong’s largest independent labor organization. But the effort was rejected after a straw poll spanning the IC’s subcommittees. According to Anlin Wang, an American-born Chinese DSA member and cochair of the Asia and Oceania subcommittee, there was an overwhelming three-to-one consensus against saying anything. “We tried our hardest to make sure that this was as maximally democratic as possible,” said Wang. “I think there are strong arguments on both sides.” lol owned
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Jan 11, 2022 20:13
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Tankbuster posted:The hell is he talking about. Caste has always taken a second place to ethnolinguistic identity in India. How the gently caress do you smash caste in places like West Bengal or Kerala where the left redistributed land a generation ago and the primary faultlines are either ideological or religious. Obviously the answer is targeted market based reforms
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Jan 11, 2022 20:15
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his subcommittee Slack
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Jan 11, 2022 20:16
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find a more useless left org than DSA i dare you
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Jan 11, 2022 20:18
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Atrocious Joe posted:For Promise Li, a young member of the Democratic Socialists of America born in Hong Kong, China’s crackdown was personal. “I have contacts and friends who are either imprisoned or under threat right now,” said Li, a cofounder of the Lausan Collective, which runs a site highlighting left-wing activist voices in Hong Kong. During the unrest, Li proposed that DSA’s International Committee put out a statement condemning the shuttering of Hong Kong’s largest independent labor organization. But the effort was rejected after a straw poll spanning the IC’s subcommittees. According to Anlin Wang, an American-born Chinese DSA member and cochair of the Asia and Oceania subcommittee, there was an overwhelming three-to-one consensus against saying anything. “We tried our hardest to make sure that this was as maximally democratic as possible,” said Wang. “I think there are strong arguments on both sides.” You can always tell who is far too online with their liberal use of the word "tankie".
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Jan 11, 2022 20:19
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quote:Multiple interviewees mentioned the Qiao Collective, a cryptic organization that emerged seemingly as a counterpoint to Li’s Lausan Collective in early 2020. In an e-mailed statement, the Qiao Collective—which said it reaches decisions collectively and did not identify any individual members by name—described itself as “a group of students, artists, researchers, and young professionals in the US, UK, and Canada who contribute as volunteers in our spare time. Our members all belong to the broader Chinese diaspora, with family connections to mainland China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and throughout Southeast Asia.” It further said it is funded solely through Patreon and has no formal ties to any political party, including the Chinese Communist Party, but did not respond to queries regarding the size of its membership, how it is governed, or who specifically is responsible for organizing it. https://twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1480584515336605699?s=20 Wait, is this person a child https://twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1480277961131663362?s=20
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Jan 11, 2022 20:20
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Raskolnikov38 posted:find a more useless left org than DSA i dare you CHAZ
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Jan 11, 2022 20:22
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Raskolnikov38 posted:find a more useless left org than DSA i dare you even the feds don't bother infiltrating it because all they do is get people to vote democrat lol
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Jan 11, 2022 20:26
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1480584515336605699?s=20 can you call them the r word on twitter? thank you
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Jan 11, 2022 20:28
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eSports Chaebol posted:saying that the Ukraine famine was a planned famine is used as an origin myth for Ukrainian neo nazis not everyone who thinks the famines were exacerbated by Soviet policy supports the national framework.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:30
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Cpt_Obvious posted:CHAZ I feel like anarchists are either cheating or didn't count cause they're liberals
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Jan 11, 2022 20:32
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FishBulbia posted:not everyone who thinks the famines were exacerbated by Soviet policy supports the national framework. right. but also you realize that 1. I agree with this characterization and 2. it is GENOCIDE DENIAL
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Jan 11, 2022 20:33
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1480584515336605699?s=20 Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the world Scouting movement, writing in his personal diary in 1939: "Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc." he was a big fan of Mussolini too, and actually traveled to Italy to meet the man himself
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Jan 11, 2022 20:33
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/promiseli_/status/1480584515336605699?s=20 
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Jan 11, 2022 20:34
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Cpt_Obvious posted:CHAZ CHOP
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Jan 11, 2022 20:34
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eSports Chaebol posted:right. but also you realize that 1. I agree with this characterization and 2. it is GENOCIDE DENIAL what
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Jan 11, 2022 20:40
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FishBulbia posted:what saying that Soviet mismanagement of agriculture and grain allocation exacerbated the impact of an inevitable famine, rather than saying that Stalin planned a famine to deliberately cause the deaths of Ukrainians en masse as collective punishment for resistance to agricultural collectivization in Ukraine, amounts to a denial of the Holodomor, a putative genocide
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Jan 11, 2022 20:46
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Tankbuster posted:The brahmin filled CPI and CPM did the land redistribution. Meanwhile the biggest dalit party in India essentially complains that the left is too casteist and puts statues of ambedkar while landless dalit women are regularly raped by upper caste thakur landlords. Tankbuster posted:The hell is he talking about. Caste has always taken a second place to ethnolinguistic identity in India. How the gently caress do you smash caste in places like West Bengal or Kerala where the left redistributed land a generation ago and the primary faultlines are either ideological or religious. would you mind expanding a bit more? I dont find any problems with Vijay Prashads point regarding the smashing of cast system as a necessary project for any communist future in South Asia and that project being the complete opposite of 'cultural genocide'.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:52
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eSports Chaebol posted:saying that Soviet mismanagement of agriculture and grain allocation exacerbated the impact of an inevitable famine, rather than saying that Stalin planned a famine to deliberately cause the deaths of Ukrainians en masse as collective punishment for resistance to agricultural collectivization in Ukraine, amounts to a denial of the Holodomor, a putative genocide Do you disagree with this characterization: The Great Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine (Holodomor), took from 7 million to 10 million innocent lives and became a national tragedy for the Ukrainian people. In this regard, we note activities in observance of the seventieth anniversary of this Famine, in particular organized by the Government of Ukraine. Honouring the seventieth anniversary of the Ukrainian tragedy, we also commemorate the memory of millions of Russians, Kazakhs and representatives of other nationalities who died of starvation in the Volga River region, Northern Caucasus, Kazakhstan and in other parts of the former Soviet Union, as a result of civil war and forced collectivisation, leaving deep scars in the consciousness of future generations.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:55
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FishBulbia posted:Do you disagree with this characterization: see I need more context. I could be okay with a memorial to American Civil War dead for example, even confederates, but I would want to know if there is an agenda
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Jan 11, 2022 21:04
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Mister Bates posted:Robert Baden-Powell, founder of the world Scouting movement, writing in his personal diary in 1939: "Lay up all day. Read Mein Kampf. A wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc." ok but im sure he was very upset about all the people stalin murdered in the holodomor so i think we should cut him a little slack on flirting with nazis
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Jan 11, 2022 21:06
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eSports Chaebol posted:see I need more context. I could be okay with a memorial to American Civil War dead for example, even confederates, but I would want to know if there is an agenda see I don't think children and civilians actually equate to confederates though
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Jan 11, 2022 21:07
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Raskolnikov38 posted:find a more useless left org than DSA i dare you ISO Well, before they imploded anyways
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Jan 11, 2022 21:09
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Also the DSA international committee is actually good, and their decision not to make a statement on HK is further proof of that
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Jan 11, 2022 21:13
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ughhhh posted:would you mind expanding a bit more? No the caste system has to be dissolved. Its just that you have to make the lives of people materially better. The political project in India for fixing caste based disparities is explicitly for the PMC class with affirmative action. At the same time you actually have to completely transform the way people relate to the means of production. The farmer's movement is a big deal for this reason. Its full of people who are acutely aware of their regional, religious and caste differences but are willing to work together for a better collective deal for the agricultural sector as a whole. One of the biggest demands that the farmers have in their manifesto is increasing the make work program (started by the so called neoliberal INC) salaries higher for landless laborers and more government intervention in the agricultural economy to increase the value of the produced goods. The BJP has been beating the drum on zero capital farming but it's actual policies are to privatise the large government warehouse system put in place to prevent another british style famine. These assholes are playing with fire during the time of climate change. The non BJP governments in the punjab essentially responded to the BJP's strongarming by letting farmers take over private warehouses owned by the BJP's corporate backers.
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Jan 11, 2022 21:16
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