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Gripweed posted:Why wouldn't we get another major wave? How do you see this ending anytime soon? Genuinely, what reason is there to believe that Covid won't still be a major problem three years from now other than really wanting it not to be? I'm not sure why you're taking my post that included the word "if" and another "if" embedded within that "if" as an affirmative prediction of anything.
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brugroffil posted:Better almost two years late than never, I suppose They really need to shut the gently caress up with the notion that KN95s/N95s are any more complicated to wear than cloth or surgical masks for anyone who isn't working in a hospital. The worst case for any normal attempt at wearing them is still going to be far better than a neck gaiter. And yes I know a third of Americans will try to wear them sideways Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 16:46
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The number of idiots intentionally lying about their symptoms to get a rapid test “just in case” after sitting in the waiting room for god knows how long is too drat high. Do NOT go to doctor’s offices in person if you can help it. You WILL be exposed by half-vaxed or anti-vax people with just a little sore throat and rhinorrhea who say they’re there for a suspiciously early annual exam.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:16
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Mellow Seas posted:We're not even halfway to 2 million; we've obviously botched the gently caress out of this wave but "hopefully" it should only take a couple hundred thousand more. If the fallout from omicron results in a better public health response - disallowing large events, encouraging respirators (oh hey, some good news on that!), universal masking - then we can stay well under 2 million. FWIW the CDC estimated that total COVID deaths were something like 920k in early September 2021. Going off their projections, we're past 1M now and we've got ~15 more months to hit another 1M. It's not guaranteed but man, things still look pretty grim. e: guess they're still sitting at 942k excess deaths as of today: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Still, the fact that we're staring down many more weeks of 2k+ daily deaths is abhorrent. e2: why on earth do you think public health response is going to get better and not continually worse? brugroffil fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 17:25
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PostNouveau posted:I had no idea this hadn't happened already They quietly changed their 'do not wear N95s' recommendation to 'do not wear specially labeled “surgical” N95 respirators' some time last year. Also, buried deep in the page on different types of masks is: CDC posted:Individuals who want to use a respirator for personal use should follow the user instructions exactly. Clear as mud, see?
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Jan 11, 2022 17:30
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Gripweed posted:I'm sure before we get to that point they'll have separated from Covid and with Covid and all official numbers will be completely useless. Well actually the numbers are useless now because they haven't been separated into deaths with covid and deaths of covid, so it's too early to conclude whether the mild omicron variant is killing anybody or not
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Jan 11, 2022 17:47
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Uk Omicron case wave may have peaked. 17% fall on the 7 day average. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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Jan 11, 2022 17:51
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VitalSigns posted:Well actually the numbers are useless now because they haven't been separated into deaths with covid and deaths of covid, so it's too early to conclude whether the mild omicron variant is killing anybody or not There's really no way to prove that omicron even has any symptoms, it might be a fully asymptomatic disease and a lot of people are coincidentally getting the flu at the same time.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:53
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Weasling Weasel posted:Uk Omicron case wave may have peaked. 17% fall on the 7 day average. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ Watch this end up causing another spike as folks and leaders act loving stupid.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:59
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Tiny Timbs posted:They really need to shut the gently caress up with the notion that KN95s/N95s are any more complicated to wear than cloth or surgical masks for anyone who isn't working in a hospital. The worst case for any normal attempt at wearing them is still going to be far better than a neck gaiter. How do you get informed enough to know N95 is what you want, while doing that stupid poo poo.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:04
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dwarf74 posted:I saw a lady yesterday wearing an N95 with her nose poking out the top. A family member bought the mask for her maybe?
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Jan 11, 2022 18:11
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My gf has been feeling pretty lovely for a few days now. Very slight fever, dry cough, and a little headache. We got PCR tests yesterday, so we'll find out in a couple of days. So far I felt a little off last night, but feel totally normal this morning. Could it be my time? Tune in to find out!
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Jan 11, 2022 18:14
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How are u posted:My gf has been feeling pretty lovely for a few days now. Very slight fever, dry cough, and a little headache. We got PCR tests yesterday, so we'll find out in a couple of days. So far I felt a little off last night, but feel totally normal this morning. Could it be my time? Tune in to find out! A/V/C???
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Jan 11, 2022 18:16
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dwarf74 posted:I saw a lady yesterday wearing an N95 with her nose poking out the top. I gave my mom an n95 and she immediately said “it’s too hard to breath in!” So I’m guessing it’s that. To their credit, I don’t recall any kind of official guidance from CDC on proper use of mask (even though it’s pretty obvious).
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Jan 11, 2022 18:20
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lil poopendorfer posted:I gave my mom an n95 and she immediately said “it’s too hard to breath in!” These have directions right on the packaging.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:26
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As a glasses wearer, headband style N95s were a revelation. Before I switched I'd been wearing cloth masks with ear loops and I couldn't keep my glasses from falling off constantly. Having to shave was a small price to pay for added safety and comfort.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:29
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I will never shave for this virus. Bury me in my beard, if you have to.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:35
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Gripweed posted:Why wouldn't we get another major wave? How do you see this ending anytime soon? Genuinely, what reason is there to believe that Covid won't still be a major problem three years from now other than really wanting it not to be?
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Jan 11, 2022 18:41
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VitalSigns posted:Well actually the numbers are useless now because they haven't been separated into deaths with covid and deaths of covid, so it's too early to conclude whether the mild omicron variant is killing anybody or not Gripweed posted:There's really no way to prove that omicron even has any symptoms, it might be a fully asymptomatic disease and a lot of people are coincidentally getting the flu at the same time. These reductive comments don't really serve to foster discussion. One of the biggest problems wrt Covid spread is that yes, many people do have it with no symptoms and are spreading it regardless. Also separating incidental asymptomatic Covid infections from people who are being treated for Covid is not the same thing as writing off Covid deaths as being caused by something else, as was being done in March 2020. I realize you are using typical goon hyperbole here but this is just straight up threadshitting.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:49
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CSM posted:Vaccines and infections build immunity in populations and viruses sometimes mutate into less severe variants like Omicron. That's how this stuff ends. Like previous pandemics have ended in history. Vaccines and infections built lots of immunity until omicron came along. How much more immunity-evading space does SARS-CoV-2 have?
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Jan 11, 2022 18:50
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CSM posted:Vaccines and infections build immunity in populations and viruses sometimes mutate into less severe variants like Omicron. That's how this stuff ends. Like previous pandemics have ended in history.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:01
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lil poopendorfer posted:I gave my mom an n95 and she immediately said “it’s too hard to breath in!” Official CDC guidance has been "why bother, those morons won't wear them properly anyway", so technically correct but utterly useless as many of their public communications.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:16
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CSM posted:Vaccines and infections build immunity in populations and viruses sometimes mutate into less severe variants like Omicron. That's how this stuff ends. Like previous pandemics have ended in history. The vaccines and infections don't seem to be doing a great job building immunity in populations so far, considering that reinfections happen, the different variants don't confer as much resistance to each other, and the vaccination resistance drops off significantly in only a few months. And I thought the argument that Omicron was mild was based on the idea that a vaccinated person with Omicron was statistically likely to have a much easier time than an unvaccinated person with original Covid. Which is not a useful use of the term mild in this discussion. And you should look into what happened with the Black Death after the big kill off. It didn't go away. There were localized flareups throughout Asia and Europe for centuries afterwards. And that was with actual quarantines and without cars and airplanes.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:16
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ExcessBLarg! posted:It's not clear that there's any real selection pressure towards "less severe" variants, other than maybe some causal relationship between the pressure towards "more transmissive" variants resulting in greater upper-respiratory manifestation that spares the lungs. Anecdotally we may be seeing that with omicron. Certainly this is going to be an interesting area for research over the next few years, but I don't think anything can be conclusively stated right now. There is very strong evidence that Omicron mutated and adapted to spreading in mice. In order to spread in mice it has to be "mild" enough, at least in terms of heart and lung symptoms, to not kill them too quickly. Mice are super easy to kill. When infected with previous COVID variants in a laboratory setting mice tend to die in the span of a couple days, whereas with Omicron they remain infectious for a week or more and often recover. Future strains will likely need to be able to spread via mice to be competitive with Omicron and so the pressure may be there to be less severe. Gripweed posted:And you should look into what happened with the Black Death after the big kill off. It didn't go away. There were localized flareups throughout Asia and Europe for centuries afterwards. And that was with actual quarantines and without cars and airplanes. Youth Decay fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Professor Beetus posted:These reductive comments don't really serve to foster discussion. One of the biggest problems wrt Covid spread is that yes, many people do have it with no symptoms and are spreading it regardless. Also separating incidental asymptomatic Covid infections from people who are being treated for Covid is not the same thing as writing off Covid deaths as being caused by something else, as was being done in March 2020. I realize you are using typical goon hyperbole here but this is just straight up threadshitting. I disagree with the idea that separating with Covid from from Covid will produce any positive or useful results. We know Covid is hardest on people with comorbidities. So there is enormous gray area where deaths can be attributed to Covid OR the pre-existing comorbidities. And we are seeing that there is a lot of political pressure to downplay or ignore the dangers of Covid. So separating out with Covid from from Covid would just be an excuse to massively underreport Covid cases and deaths for political purposes.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:22
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The entire idea that viruses evolve to be less deadly comes from the idea that, if you're severely ill or dead, you probably aren't doing much vaccine spreading. All variants of COVID so far have shown plenty of ability to transmit without an infected person showing immediate symptoms, so that probably won't apply here as much. Provided people are able to go out and spread the virus well before it becomes debilitating, there's not a huge selection pressure for the virus to become less severe.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:23
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Gripweed posted:I disagree with the idea that separating with Covid from from Covid will produce any positive or useful results. We know Covid is hardest on people with comorbidities. So there is enormous gray area where deaths can be attributed to Covid OR the pre-existing comorbidities. And we are seeing that there is a lot of political pressure to downplay or ignore the dangers of Covid. So separating out with Covid from from Covid would just be an excuse to massively underreport Covid cases and deaths for political purposes. If you have evidence that Covid deaths are currently being underreported or undercounted, and not just separating asymptomatic incidental cases from those being treated for Covid, go ahead and share it. e: Anyway your follow up is fine and you certainly can have an opinion on whether categorizing cases with vs from Covid has any merit, I just want to cut down on shitposting because of the explosion this thread had a couple weeks ago. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 19:26
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Gripweed posted:I disagree with the idea that separating with Covid from from Covid will produce any positive or useful results. We know Covid is hardest on people with comorbidities. So there is enormous gray area where deaths can be attributed to Covid OR the pre-existing comorbidities. And we are seeing that there is a lot of political pressure to downplay or ignore the dangers of Covid. So separating out with Covid from from Covid would just be an excuse to massively underreport Covid cases and deaths for political purposes. I get it dude, nuance is hard (this has been explained ad nauseam over the last few pages)
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Jan 11, 2022 19:27
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Gripweed posted:The vaccines and infections don't seem to be doing a great job building immunity in populations so far, considering that reinfections happen, the different variants don't confer as much resistance to each other, and the vaccination resistance drops off significantly in only a few months. I'm not an epidemiologist but iirc a significant difference with plague is that humans aren't the reservoir species, rodents are. The idea that SARS-CoV-2 will gradually adapt to human hosts and become less virulent might not apply the same way to plague, because long-term the reservoir for the bacteria that causes plague isn't humans, it's rodents. I'm waayyyy out of my league talking viral evolution and whether SARS-CoV-2 should naturally get "milder" or not, I'm not making that claim. That's something to go to evolutionary virologists and epidemiologists about. Just pointing out the difference in reservoirs between plague and SARS-CoV-2.
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MadJackal posted:The number of idiots intentionally lying about their symptoms to get a rapid test “just in case” after sitting in the waiting room for god knows how long is too drat high. Now just imagine all these fuckers coming to the Ed because they want tested.
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Seems like SARS viruses have plenty of non human hosts though
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Fritz the Horse posted:I'm not an epidemiologist but iirc a significant difference with plague is that humans aren't the reservoir species, rodents are. The idea that SARS-CoV-2 will gradually adapt to human hosts and become less virulent might not apply the same way to plague, because long-term the reservoir for the bacteria that causes plague isn't humans, it's rodents. See my post above. Relevant studies: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8702434/ https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1211792/v1 brugroffil posted:Seems like SARS viruses have plenty of non human hosts though
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Jan 11, 2022 19:35
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OddObserver posted:Official CDC guidance has been "why bother, those morons won't wear them properly anyway", so technically correct but utterly useless as many of their public communications. They didn't want to bother with an education campaign of any sort, at any point in the pandemic. Even the crappy cloth mask compromise guidance they put out would have benefitted from a nationwide education push.
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StratGoatCom posted:Watch this end up causing another spike as folks and leaders act loving stupid. (e: I guess we should worry about leaders dropping their half-assed efforts to no-assed, which is bad - now is the time to start preparing for the next wave, if just to flatten the curve and take heat off hospitals, but I'm sure many will think it's time to relax again.) How are u posted:I will never shave for this virus. Bury me in my beard, if you have to.  So I took an antigen test in a rejection of my negative PCR result from the saliva test. It is positive, but god drat is it barely positive. An example positive (left), my test (right):  Make sure you look really close at your test strip! Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Professor Beetus posted:I just want to cut down on shitposting because of the explosion this thread had a couple weeks ago. Explosive poo poo is a known symptom of omicron. Just sayin' it should get tested. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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PT6A posted:The entire idea that viruses evolve to be less deadly comes from the idea that, if you're severely ill or dead, you probably aren't doing much vaccine spreading. All variants of COVID so far have shown plenty of ability to transmit without an infected person showing immediate symptoms, so that probably won't apply here as much. Provided people are able to go out and spread the virus well before it becomes debilitating, there's not a huge selection pressure for the virus to become less severe. Like a swine flu or bird flu influenza aren't intrinsically more dangerous than a human one, they've just had many generations of antigen drift without human exposure, so previously built human immunity doesn't work well. With a human influenza, most people will have a crappy-but-much-better-than-nothing immune response ready to do damage control right away (it takes about 2 weeks to start spinning up something brand new). The same thing is happening/likely to happen with COVID. A variant may avoid immunity enough to infect, but having no adaptive response for 2 weeks vs having a mediocre one for that time is pretty different
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CEO with COVID came to work anyway. Two more people came up positive from yesterday's onsite test. Literally everyone here could work from home, but they won't close the office. If the CEO insists on keeping the office open there's no way we don't all get this disease. EDIT: Goddamn CEO who usually spends all day in his office keeps circulating around the place, crowing about how he's the safest person to be around because he already had COVID and couldn't possibly be contagious. I emailed my boss and HR and told them that I want to work from home. Curious to see how they respond. Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Meanwhile we're under a "shelter in place" order. All non-essential business and tribal gov't services are closed and schools remote for one week, might be extended. I don't think they're going to do a longer term "lockdown" but we'll see. Cases have been spiking and they're trying to give the testing/tracing task force time to catch up. Unfortunately yesterday was also EBT day so the grocery stores (one of the few businesses open) were packed.
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Dick Trauma posted:CEO with COVID came to work anyway. Two more people came up positive from yesterday's onsite test. Literally everyone here could work from home, but they won't close the office. If the CEO insists on keeping the office open there's no way we don't all get this disease. Do you already have VPN/the ability to work from home? If there's one thing I've come to realize during this pandemic, it's that leadership is GOING to fail you, repeatedly, on almost every level. For myself, I've decided that I'll go back into the office when I'm comfortable in doing so, and stop going into the office when I become uncomfortable. I'm not really asking for permission on this; if I get called on it, then I'll say "sorry, didn't realize I needed to be there" and then figure out what I'll do from there. Not sure what your situation is, and if you could quietly just stop going in without too many people noticing, but I will say that I'm just absolutely flabbergasted at how entirely useless every "leader" has been. I know what the right answer is (work remote, stay safe, keep everyone else safe), but for some reason the people who style themselves as "having vision" or whatever the gently caress take longer to see it than I do. Absolutely disappointing.
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Zarin posted:Do you already have VPN/the ability to work from home? Just like my last workplace I have everyone set up with a laptop and VPN. Still waiting to hear if I'll be allowed to bail out.
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