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I never really saw "closer" as a "horny goth fucks" track. For me it's all self-loathing and how much he hates himself. Re: "The Hand that Feeds" Weren't they slated to play an award thing and he skipped out because they were not allowed to hang a picture of W behind them while it played? actionjackson posted:what would you say is the main reason for these messages in his music? Is it reflecting something that he feels internally, or maybe a reaction to things going on in the world (political etc.)? I'm going to assume he's nonreligious and probably has a leftist political viewpoint (?) As others said, it's all just poo poo going through his head. He wasn't even 30 when he wrote that and it's definitely a product of that angsty early adult hood and the environment and scene where they recorded it. It's gonna get dark.
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hatelull posted:Re: "The Hand that Feeds" Weren't they slated to play an award thing and he skipped out because they were not allowed to hang a picture of W behind them while it played? MTV springs to memory. Edit: yeah, MTV T-Rez posted:"Nine Inch Nails will not be performing at the MTV Movie Awards as previously announced. We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop. Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me. See you on tour this fall when we return to play in America." jtr fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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the hand that feeds is more about opposing conformity in general than politics to me, but yeah, there's definitely some anti-right wing political, anti-war imagery used in their live shows I guess you could even say head like a hole is political polyester concept fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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I don't think Trent is apolitical - more explicitly he is anti-political. He seems to want people to generally have better lives but Year Zero and HTDA are realizing the world isn't going to change and something is going to destroy us, be it the war or the climate or whatever. I think he's just trying to get along in the meantime. I figure he's somewhere between libertarian and entirely disenchanted left-leaning. And definitely anti-religious. Can't blame him for that growing up in small-town Pennsylvania, I know that game. And yeah, The Downward Spiral itself is a concept album about an alienation and self-destruction and self-loathing born from the same sort of rockstar ennui that birthed The Wall when Roger Waters had an "I'm a monster" meltdown. Actually that would make for a super interesting comparison for folks doing media analysis...
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I want to say there were some interviews around the time of The Fragile where Trent himself referenced that album has his spin on The Wall. In typical pissy boommer fashion, he actually had an encounter with Waters and the takeaway was that of course Roger thought it was hot garbage. I could be totally mis-remembering Mandela Effecting that action though.
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https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/393508-trent-reznor-rips-trump-youre-seeing-the-fall-of-the-empire-ofquote:Reznor and his bandmate Atticus Ross have been promoting Nine Inch Nails’ new tour. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/trent-reznor-donald-trump-is-vulgar-grotesque-dope-198779/ quote:Trent Reznor: Donald Trump Is ‘Vulgar, Grotesque Dope’ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trent-reznor-calls-donald-trump-candidacy-absurd-114753/ quote:He [Reznor] offered a reluctant endorsement of Hillary’s campaign. “Since it’s down to two people, there’s no question that 100 percent of my support is going towards her,” Reznor said. “I’ll admit that I was more enthused about Bernie [Sanders] in terms of the sense of upheaval and revolution.”
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I hedged on disenchanted leftist but yeah that spells it outhatelull posted:I want to say there were some interviews around the time of The Fragile where Trent himself referenced that album has his spin on The Wall. In typical pissy boommer fashion, he actually had an encounter with Waters and the takeaway was that of course Roger thought it was hot garbage. I could be totally mis-remembering Mandela Effecting that action though. https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/roger-waters-interviews/november-2000-revolver-magazine.html e: That's a drat good read - a lot more personal than I thought Trent would have been in interviews at the time, and Waters is as aloof as ever. It's kinda funny that "The Fragile" and "Amused to Death" are both two of my favorite albums and considered underappreciated gems by their makers and exiled from setlists because they didn't move units Add "1.Outside" to the mix for that matter. If someone ever asks me what was it like growing up in the 90s I will just tell them to listen to those 3 albums in release order. Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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hatelull posted:I want to say there were some interviews around the time of The Fragile where Trent himself referenced that album has his spin on The Wall. In typical pissy boommer fashion, he actually had an encounter with Waters and the takeaway was that of course Roger thought it was hot garbage. I could be totally mis-remembering Mandela Effecting that action though. roger waters is kind of a piece of poo poo though, total egomaniac
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I thought it was a funny glimpse behind the image and music of NIN that during the Closure video (I think?) the backstage footage we see of Trent is him playing with his dog and another clip of him and the band singing along to Frank Zappa while getting ready to go on stage. Was a striking difference to when Manson made an appearance to talk about taking lots of drugs and getting wasted while some poor girls are sat there telling some roadie guy or whatever they're his groupies. polyester concept posted:he is a known edgelord, he rented out the house that sharon tate was murdered in to record the album (which makes the piggy references a little sus) and then took the front door to be used as the entrance to his recording studio in new orleans. I read an interview where Trent was asked about this and I've no idea if he was being honest or not, but he claimed he had no idea that it was the house where those murders took place until Tate's sister confronted him at the property and basically asked him "What the gently caress are you doing? Are you trying to exploit my dead sister for shock value?!" and he said he felt like poo poo afterwards and really bad about the whole thing. I think he probably knew but didn't put much thought into what he was doing. The edgelord thing is spot on so it wouldn't surprise me. Good Soldier Svejk posted:And definitely anti-religious. Can't blame him for that growing up in small-town Pennsylvania, I know that game. He has five kids now and we don't know all of their names, but we know one's called Balthazar and another is called Lazarus. I was not expecting Trent of all people to give his children those kind of names and I'm not being judgmental but he is a secretive person, maybe he's become religious?
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SUNKOS posted:I read an interview where Trent was asked about this and I've no idea if he was being honest or not, but he claimed he had no idea that it was the house where those murders took place until Tate's sister confronted him at the property and basically asked him "What the gently caress are you doing? Are you trying to exploit my dead sister for shock value?!" and he said he felt like poo poo afterwards and really bad about the whole thing. I think he probably knew but didn't put much thought into what he was doing. The edgelord thing is spot on so it wouldn't surprise me. right, I remember this now too. I think the response was that he knew it was the tate house, but didn't think further than the shock value aspect. didn't think how it would affect the real people involved with it. he doesn't seem like an rear end in a top hat so I would assume he was being honest. that reminds me, back in the days of the spiral fan club q&a, somebody wrote in with this really hosed up "question" about disgusting black people (I think he even used the word pigs to describe them), and trent put it online with the response "I am only posting this so everyone can see how loving stupid you are" polyester concept fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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SUNKOS posted:He has five kids now and we don't know all of their names, but we know one's called Balthazar and another is called Lazarus. I was not expecting Trent of all people to give his children those kind of names and I'm not being judgmental but he is a secretive person, maybe he's become religious? Mrs. Reznor's ancestors are from the Philippines and the Catholic Church has a pretty large influence there even if you aren't particularly religious so I could see those being some names from her side of the family. Anecdotally I know a guy named Balthazar from Spain and he's not a priest.
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actionjackson posted:what would you say is the main reason for these messages in his music? Is it reflecting something that he feels internally, or maybe a reaction to things going on in the world (political etc.)? I'm going to assume he's nonreligious and probably has a leftist political viewpoint (?) trent was by his own admission in a very dark place throughout most of the 90s. his record label started loving with him and his vision during the production of broken, which led to a very angry album, as well as the production of the broken movie. If you think TDS is hosed up, the broken movie is leagues worse. just look up a synopsis if you're curious, as watching it unprepared is not something i recommend. TDS is absolutely a concept album at it's heart, but he was definitely fighting with a lot of the themes while recording. there's stories of the entire crew crying during the recording of hurt as well as fights over what to include or leave off the album. i believe flood threatened to walk out after discussing plans for a track named "just do it" saying it was completely over the line. just a shitload of anger and misery during production as a whole. he was pretty hosed up all the way through the release of the fragile, at which point he got clean and started on the road to becoming the still perfectionist but slightly mellower cool dad we know today
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SUNKOS posted:He has five kids now and we don't know all of their names, but we know one's called Balthazar and another is called Lazarus. I was not expecting Trent of all people to give his children those kind of names and I'm not being judgmental but he is a secretive person, maybe he's become religious? I mean if you're sufficiently goth you sometimes end up doing something Catholic by accident. As a Christian myself I would love it if one of my favorite artists found God, but it's pretty clear he's nowhere near that. At most maybe agnostic. I know a lot of addiction recovery groups include religious stuff so maybe he was influenced by that a little bit in the mid-2000s, but Bad Witch is almost as nihilistic as TDS. Although certainly "God Break Down The Door" is a far cry from "God is dead and no one cares". So yeah, I'd go with agnostic.
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Sir Lemming posted:I mean if you're sufficiently goth you sometimes end up doing something Catholic by accident.  Sir Lemming posted:As a Christian myself I would love it if one of my favorite artists found God, but it's pretty clear he's nowhere near that. "I am forgiven, I am free" - trent reznor (burning bright [field on fire], 2016) :P
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https://youtu.be/wJvq0N89LJc This short interview clip contains a few thoughts from Trent on the topic of religion.
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Critical posted:trent was by his own admission in a very dark place throughout most of the 90s. his record label started loving with him and his vision during the production of broken, which led to a very angry album, as well as the production of the broken movie. If you think TDS is hosed up, the broken movie is leagues worse. just look up a synopsis if you're curious, as watching it unprepared is not something i recommend. hmm ok, i saw the video for pinion, that was pretty weird
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hatelull posted:Report back when you catch the video for "Happiness in Slavery" yeah i watched the whole thing, it's on archive.org, i'm kind of desensitized already (though I wouldn't watch it again)
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I only recently learned that Pinion samples It's No Game by Bowie and I went back listening for it and  Apparently it's more audible live but I don't think they played it before coming out when I saw them. Wish there was a good quality live recording of Now I'm Nothing leading into Terrible Lie floating around  Speaking of controversial videos, I'm still amazed that the FBI or whoever thought that the video for Down In It was a genuine snuff movie. I imagine that must have been part of the inspiration for the Broken movie.
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SUNKOS posted:I only recently learned that Pinion samples It's No Game by Bowie and I went back listening for it and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-arvfoY0Q
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e: wrong thread But trent's love of viscera makes me wonder how much Tetsuo the Iron Man he watched in the 90s
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Thanks for this. I've been trying to track down something from earlier for how Trent's voice sounded and having more of the electronic stuff audible but god drat at the note he hits on that final nothing is Good Soldier Svejk posted:But trent's love of viscera makes me wonder how much Tetsuo the Iron Man he watched in the 90s Not a clue but he did contribute the main theme to the final movie in the series, Tetsuo: The Bullet Man, and it's amazing. Here it is if you haven't heard it before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu9bm-RJMWM Also Trent collaborated with Shinya Tsukamoto on a commercial for MTV Japan. It's exactly what you would expect  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK5XgMjORHc Edit: Question for anyone who might know since I've always wondered how this was vocal effect was done and listening to Broken recently reminded me that Trent has used it as well. I'm talking about this freaky fishbowl/underwater vocal effect that Al would use for a lot of Ministry records, and Trent seems to use the same effect for the starting vocals of Gave Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVpw1SwJRBI I don't know if this was a subtle "gently caress you" to Al since it was around the time their relationship soured (liner notes for Pslam 69 and Broken seem to take pot shots at each other) but this sounds identical to whatever Al would do to his voice for a lot of Ministry material and I've always wondered what it is and how it's done, if anyone knows? I think everyone's familiar with the monstrosity that is auto-tune and I know there's pitch-altering stuff but I would love to know how this vocal effect is achieved. The music video for Gave Up seems to be a live recording as well like the March of the Pigs video, so it must be something that works real-time? Watching Ministry's Sphinctour reveals the same as Al will talk normal into the mic and then start singing with this exact same effect. SUNKOS fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jan 14, 2022 |
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I found an old thread on a gear forum with some educated guesses for Ministry’s effect And yeah, it seems reasonable Trent would have seen how it’s done and borrowed the idea
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SUNKOS posted:Edit: Question for anyone who might know since I've always wondered how this was vocal effect was done and listening to Broken recently reminded me that Trent has used it as well. I'm talking about this freaky fishbowl/underwater vocal effect that Al would use for a lot of Ministry records, and Trent seems to use the same effect for the starting vocals of Gave Up: sounds kinda flanger-like to me - delay time quite low; depth and rate both cranked way up. maybe some tremolo somewhere in there too nurmie fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jan 14, 2022 |
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Thanks for the replies, it's interesting and seems like a lot of people have been trying to figure it out for a long time. That thread I was linked to also introduced me to Killing Joke which I'm probably the last person in this thread to hear but holy poo poo does that track sound influential as hell, I can't believe that's from 1980 Someone in that thread mentioned that Al rented his vocal effect setup to another band (who were classed as nu-metal but I can't think of any that put out a track with that sound at all) and now I'm wondering if it was Rob Zombie, because before he went solo I think I'm Your Boogieman was one of White Zombie's final releases? His vocals on that sound like he's using whatever Al uses, just dialed up more, and given Al mentioned Rob copying him (apparently he first came to know of Rob Zombie from some guy punching Al because he thought he was Rob) I could see Rob wanting some middle party to say it's being used for some nu-metal band or something. Weird conspiracy theory but reading that he rented out to someone immediately made me think of that White Zombie track. I wonder how Al did that stuff on tour though? Was reading old interviews where he and Paul talked about building a studio for one album (I think it was Filth Pig) and they kept using so many compressors that stuff was catching fire and equipment was breaking constantly which slowed them down a lot. It was clear that they really knew what they were doing in a studio, though. Ya know, when stuff wasn't on fire.
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SUNKOS posted:Thanks for the replies, it's interesting and seems like a lot of people have been trying to figure it out for a long time. That thread I was linked to also introduced me to Killing Joke which I'm probably the last person in this thread to hear but holy poo poo does that track sound influential as hell, I can't believe that's from 1980
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sticklefifer posted:Give 1994's Pandemonium a listen too. It's Killing Joke's most 90s industrial-sounding album, and it was released within a few months of TDS. KJ and NIN are mutual fans and influences in that way (same with Gary Numan), where their old stuff influenced early NIN, but NIN influenced their later works. Seconding this recommendation; it's a great album. Some of the vocals (including the title track) were recorded inside the Great Pyramid of Giza, because Jaz liked the acoustics lol
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Molestationary Store posted:Pretty sure it's been mentioned that there's a thread on what's now called gearspace that details a ton of production stuff of NIN with many people who were involved chiming in here and there. I had no idea they changed the name of the place; that’s great. I was lucky enough to get one of the TDS-era Zoom processors they used back when Trent was selling off all his gear, and it has a bunch of the settings they used for recording still on it. For that vocal sound, you want a tremolo with a high rate and deep depth as a starting point. (And yes, the first thing I did when I powered it up was find the Ruiner guitar tone and bang out the solo.) blue.eyed.ash fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jan 15, 2022 |
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man this pic owns https://twitter.com/rob_sheridan/status/1483524257392914433
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Rageaholic posted:I gotta rewatch my copy on Saturday! don't forget about the easter eggs on the dvd. quote:Most of the eggs are available via a hidden menu on Disc Two. In order to get to it, during "Head Like A Hole" at around the 11:20 mark, hit 7 on your remote. You will then be dropped into the secret menu called "Beneath The Surface" where the following eggs appear:
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NonzeroCircle posted:KoRn's "Deuce" dvd from 2002 had so much weird Eastereggy stuff in it, and you had to navigate the menus like some weird Outlast/point n click hybrid to find a lot of it. Thankfully as it was primarily menu based it was possible to "find" everything using a PS2 controller. As for standard music releases, I'm glad "hidden" content has mostly fallen out of vogue. It was exciting 30 years ago but now I just groan when I realize there's a bunch of silence at the end of the "last" track.
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polyester concept posted:Not music related but the Memento dvd let you watch the movie in chronological order if you navigated to a secret menu, it was pretty sick Nolan should have put a hidden feature on the blue ray of tenet that actually let you hear the dialogue. Heyooo!
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