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Guavanaut posted:Isn't there some precedent from when the king did a bunch of war crimes and then got impeached and tried and then his head fell off repeatedly, or did everyone just pretend that didn't happen?  didn't come up on my UG course, literally no idea if that even counts as precedentWikipedia's got this quote from some guy I never heard of that's pretty much the same as (if a bit broader than) the 19th century poo poo I remember though: "[the Court proposed that] the King of England was not a person, but an office whose every occupant was entrusted with a limited power to govern 'by and according to the laws of the land and not otherwise'." e: 1653 is when the Protectorate was established, four years after killing Charlie. That's only just two-thirds of a Brexit, smdh Borrovan fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I dunno was she 17 when she was in England? Who knows what the age of consent is on a private paedo island, you'd imagine they'd set it quite low. I've heard this argument in real life and the answer is that you can't take someone across a border to a jurisdiction with a lower age of consent in order to have sex with them. So you couldn't fly a 14 year old from Britain to Italy for sex even though that's the age of consent there. Giuffre wasn't paying her own airfare at 17, so when Epstein/Maxwell brought her to the UK with the intention of having her 'massage' those wealthy, powerful middle-aged men, she was being trafficked.
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Fascinating seeing the pressure building: will it reach that magic tipping point where suddenly everyone rushes at once to ditch him?
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Pistol_Pete posted:Fascinating seeing the pressure building: will it reach that magic tipping point where suddenly everyone rushes at once to ditch him? No. I say this because I'm usually wrong when I predict things
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keep punching joe posted:As long as she's the monarch she is covered by Crown immunity in UK, and Sovereign immunity worldwide.
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so have you figured out a term for when boris fucks off? I'd be slightly disappointed if it ends up being 'borixit'
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:so have you figured out a term for when boris fucks off? I'd be slightly disappointed if it ends up being 'borixit' Boris Goneson
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Borexit Floppy johnson's withdrawal oval office shunting time Convex fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Borrovan posted:
This view implies that there's no precedent from the Stuart trial in a common law sense because the High Court of Justice was not established by a real Act, lacking both the Lords and (oddly) the King's assent, so any judgement is the same as if any random bunch of people had thrown a court together rather than a real trial, but also that there is a very real precedent in a constitutional sense that post-Restoration the person of the monarch can be impeached by Parliament in a not-dissimilar way than any American public official can, by proof of what happens when they don't cooperate. quote:The trial and execution of the King demonstrated vividly that the office-holder was, after all, a mere human being whose head could in the end quite easily be struck from his body. The notion of the Crown and its permeating influence in the law is something rather more difficult to expel. It is not the same notion as the monarch. It is not the same notion as the state. It is not exactly equivalent to the people. I guess any post Restoration (or moreso post Glorious Revolution) could be impeached if both Houses agreed (or would that be the Supreme Court now instead of the Lords?) and would be more likely to cooperate, and also nobody really knows what a Crown is other than that laws come out of it somehow (maybe it has a hole in the back).
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Lady Demelza posted:I've heard this argument in real life I am in real life!
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The hole in the crown is obvious, the monarch goes in one end, laws come out the other end, it converts monarchy into laws. If you invented a machine that rapidly stuffed monarchs through a crown, you could legislate at close to the speed of light.
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Alternatively by putting laws in the top of the crown you could make a larger monarch.
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You'd have to make a loop, or else kill each monarch as soon as it went through so that the one following would be the monarch after it. We could repurpose CERN and fire royal babies around it I suppose.
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Borrovan posted:As with most things in constitutional law, it's all very theoretical & very complicated, basically. Luckily it'll never become important, because no copper will ever try to nick 'er maj. They wouldn't try to nick Brenda, but she is 95 and the heir apparent is far less charming, nowhere near as universally beloved, and has a penchant for testing some of the limits of theoretical royal powers. Might be the question becomes significantly more relevant in the coming years!
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I call the high speed legislator an Article Accelerator.
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OwlFancier posted:I call the high speed legislator an Article Accelerator. lol someone helped you with that, lmao
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Guavanaut posted:Interesting stuff OwlFancier posted:I call the high speed legislator an Article Accelerator. 
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OwlFancier posted:If you invented a machine that rapidly stuffed monarchs through a crown, you could legislate at close to the speed of light. Crownception
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I am in real life! Pics or you aren't happening 
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The discussion of the Eric Gil statue business on Twitter is hilarious. Just statue nonces desperately trying to work out how to square hating any attempt to damage a statue with trying to not defend a famous paedo. And you've also got the added sauce of the BBC as well. Just incredibly entertaining and I applaud the mad lad with the hammer for setting it all off.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:The discussion of the Eric Gil statue business on Twitter is hilarious. Just statue nonces desperately trying to work out how to square hating any attempt to damage a statue with trying to not defend a famous paedo. And you've also got the added sauce of the BBC as well. Just incredibly entertaining and I applaud the mad lad with the hammer for setting it all off. nah
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OwlFancier posted:If you invented a machine that rapidly stuffed monarchs through a crown, you could legislate at close to the speed of light. Simply liquidise the monarchs.
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Going to a place, putting on a white coat and getting your picture taken while everyone around you thinks you're a complete berk is basically the entire job of PM tbf
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The hammer guy is a guy called David Chick, and he's a Tommy Robinson supporting far-right twat https://twitter.com/browe2324/status/1481390473050742788 I guess this is the same guy: Superhero defendant threatened to kill dog, court hears  quote:A man who previously came to court dressed as several different superheroes was sentenced today for harassing his former landlady by threatening to kill her dog Elsa during a row over an unpaid debt.
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Guavanaut posted:Boris Johnson also visited a drugs manufacturer before PMQs. no need to make that a bad thing pal
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NotJustANumber99 posted:take his ladder away Thought as much
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Just incredibly entertaining and I applaud the mad lad with the hammer for setting it all off. fuctifino posted:The hammer guy is a guy called David Chick, and he's a Tommy Robinson supporting far-right twat You do not have to hand it to him, etc, etc
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fuctifino posted:The hammer guy is a guy called David Chick, and he's a Tommy Robinson supporting far-right twat Maybe that's what is behind it all. Gill hosed a dog and Chick threatened to murder one so they are arch-rivals? Just a theory
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So I haven't followed UK politics since Corbyn got trounced -- what is finally making everyone turn on Boris? I mean its obvious that the party is just an excuse Feldegast42 fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Feldegast42 posted:So I haven't followed UK politics since Corbyn got trounced -- what is finally making everyone turn on Boris? The media got tired of him
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Feldegast42 posted:So I haven't followed UK politics since Corbyn got trounced -- what is finally making everyone turn on Boris? He's played his part, and it's time for him to be ushered off the stsge
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Feldegast42 posted:So I haven't followed UK politics since Corbyn got trounced -- what is finally making everyone turn on Boris? My own theory is that he pissed off Rupert Murdoch. Johnson has always been as he is now, it's just that the papers are reporting it in a negative light now.
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