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LesterGroans posted:Yeah, not a fan. I would have expected James Gunn's sensibilities to work in a Suicide Squad film but it really rubbed me the wrong way, like when a Matthew Vaughn movie doesn't get the tone right. The vibes were hosed. That's kind of my issue with it. It's tricky to nail down any individual thing that didn't work for me, but the whole thing has a really lovely vibe. Mean spirited was the term that sprang to mind at the time. Tonal whiplash, too, without the tones ever meshing or reinforcing each other. I haven't revisited it. I have no real desire to.
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Mordiceius posted:The other day I re-watched Batman 89, having not seen it in about 20 years. Fun fact: it’s still loving good. I wish comic book movies had the sensibilities of that film. Maybe if infinity war had been inspired by Batman 89, we would’ve gotten the Thanos copter. Think what struck me most about that film, is that it didn’t feel ashamed to be a comic book movie. I feel like most marvel films, and majority of the DC films, feel ashamed that they are adapting comic book characters. Batman 89 revels in that. Same. I got 89, Returns, Forever and B&R real cheap as a package dvd for my son for xmas since he'd never seen any of them. (I think I posted his one sentence reviews on each upthread little.) We watched 89 on xmas day and Returns on xmas night. I was 22 years old when Batman 89 came out and remember feeling slightly let down when I saw it but nothing could have lived up to that hype and, on my first re-watch in forever, I found a lot of new things to like about it. The weakest part of it remains the script IMO, which is a tough hurdle to overcome but, man, Nicholson and Keaton loving owned the hell out of it, the cinematography was great and I don't think I've seen a better Gotham City. I also love Prince so that album was a neat little bonus at the time even though it really didn't fit the film and is far from his best work.
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Timby posted:It has its weird moments (there's a ten-minute span in there that just loving draaaags), but Batman '89 is a really drat good take on the late-'80s version of the character. I just appreciate that the films don't seem to be ashamed of the source material. The Joker's goons have Joker patches on their jackets. The helicopter that comes to rescue the Joker at the end has a giant Joker face on the side. The Batmobile gets no introduction. It's just there and can do anything he wants it to. Oh suddenly he's flying the Batwing! No explanation, that's just how he shows up. It's an audacity that modern cape films shy away from. Even despite all the magic and poo poo, they're too serious. I mean, gently caress man, Michael Keaton's Batman kills people and fucks. He's not some hulking wall of muscle. He's a dude - and kinda dweeby at that. Basically - Infinity War/Endgame would have been better if the Thanos-copter made an appearance. But like, there is no world where that makes sense in the films they've created. Meanwhile, majority of Thanos' goons in Infinity War looks like they're from a video card box or video game trailer. BiggerBoat posted:The weakest part of it remains the script IMO, which is a tough hurdle to overcome but, man, Nicholson and Keaton loving owned the hell out of it, the cinematography was great and I don't think I've seen a better Gotham City. I also love Prince so that album was a neat little bonus at the time even though it really didn't fit the film and is far from his best work. It is because the film is greater than the sum of its parts. The film has loving heart. I'll never argue that it is an amazing film, but it is a film where you're not going to have a bad time.
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Timby posted:I believe the backlash against Keaton was because he was almost strictly known as a comedic actor, best known for stuff like Johnny Dangerously, Mr. Mom and Beetlejuice. That was part of it, but a large chunk of people complained that he was too scrawny and ugly to be Batman or date Kim Basinger. quote:The casting of Keaton, the comedic star of Mr. Mom and Beetlejuice, is objected to by fans because the actor fails to match the stalwart, square-jawed physique of the '40s comic book crime fighter. Supporting their man, Warner Bros. publicists cite the rave reviews Keaton got for his dramatic performance in last summer's Clean and Sober. Nevertheless, fans are said to be have started a protest-letter-writing campaign. quote:"Treating Batman as a comedy is like The Brady Bunch going porno," wrote a fretful fan, one of the tens of thousands who swamped comics fanzines with disapproving nerd mail. The common refrain among disbelievers: Keaton has no chin, not enough hair; he's too scrawny, too doughy, too short, too glib, too distracting. quote:Michael Keaton is no Batman. Or so a vast sector of the bat community has vehemently asserted. Upon learning last year that Michael Keaton would, indeed, be Batman - the definitive cinematic Batman, no less - batheads were disconsolate. He's a wimp and a a smirky wisenheimer. He's not the hulking and grim Gotham Knight. quote:Yet even before shooting began at London's Pinewood Studios last fall, ''Batman'' generated more anger than anticipation among the comic book hero's fans - the hard-core audience for any film such as this. In a massive letter-writing campaign, objections were raised over the studio's emphasis on this high-concept Batman and the refusal to make a serious square-jawed film out of one of the most popular - and psychologically complex - comic book characters.
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Respect to Robert Pattinson for apparently not following a particularly strict exercise regime for The Batman
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Having lived through the late 80s and 90s, so many were dead set on actors looking exactly like their comic counterparts for visual match. Not so much as today where there’s understanding of wanting good performance and despite a lot of BS when it comes to casting women for heroine roles, it doesn’t feel as bad today as I recall then. So many character matches went to pro wrestlers and poo poo.
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Yeah, Wizard was big on this back in the day. Their 1995 Avengers cast included pre-Broken Arrow Howie Long as Captain America, and Fabio as Thor.
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Lots of batman 89 is predicated on the fact that the joker is horny for at her absolute peak kim basinger. Just saying that modern superhero films would be better with such believable villain motivations
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Gatts posted:Having lived through the late 80s and 90s, so many were dead set on actors looking exactly like their comic counterparts for visual match. Not so much as today where there’s understanding of wanting good performance and despite a lot of BS when it comes to casting women for heroine roles, it doesn’t feel as bad today as I recall then. So many character matches went to pro wrestlers and poo poo. I feel this way about Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier. I think Stewart is a treasure and I love him in just about anything he’s in. But did they just sit around and think Hm who is already bald? He gives me exactly zero of the vibe of comics Xavier.
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Xmen is weird on that. Huge nerd controversy at the time cause hugh jackman was way too tall for wolverine who is canonically as short as a real life wolverine and yet those two are the most enduring performances of the franchise
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BiggestBatman posted:Xmen is weird on that. Huge nerd controversy at the time cause hugh jackman was way too tall for wolverine who is canonically as short as a real life wolverine and yet those two are the most enduring performances of the franchise Yeah. Part of me wonders what would have happened with Glen Danzig as Wolverine though, lol. Knowing what his legendary movies are like.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:wrote a fretful fan, one of the tens of thousands who swamped comics fanzines with disapproving nerd mail Good to know that extremely online idiots managed to somehow exist well before the Internet went wide.
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2house2fly posted:Respect to Robert Pattinson for apparently not following a particularly strict exercise regime for The Batman 
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He was clearly already in good shape, he just did no/less steroids than has become expected. He also loves to play up the byronic, bohemian counter-cultural persona, so of course he's downplaying it all.
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Oh of course, he was already plenty in shape. And I'm sure he worked harder at bulking up than he'd let on. Still, I like him making a minor news story out of not being as in shape as he could be
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Finally now that Eternals is on Disney + I was able to watch it and I have to say it wasn't bad. However the ending was kind of a huge cliffhanger after cliffhanger expose.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The first thing that comes to mind when I think of the older Batman movies is when Batman and Robin came out and there was a huge controversy about Alicia Silverstone being too fat to play Batgirl. 90s body image standards were pretty badly hosed. It's called 'Heroin chic' for a reason. Gatts posted:Having lived through the late 80s and 90s, so many were dead set on actors looking exactly like their comic counterparts for visual match. Not so much as today where there’s understanding of wanting good performance and despite a lot of BS when it comes to casting women for heroine roles, it doesn’t feel as bad today as I recall then. So many character matches went to pro wrestlers and poo poo. I feel a lot of that was since there'd been so very few comic book movies and adaptations that no one really knew what they 'should' look like, and going for closest physical resemblance is the easiest thing when you needa fill magazine pages with speculation.
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Also, pro wrestling was booming and very cartoonish so pro wrestlers seemed like a natural fit for superhero roles.
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Hollismason posted:Finally now that Eternals is on Disney + I was able to watch it and I have to say it wasn't bad. However the ending was kind of a huge cliffhanger after cliffhanger expose. It's pretty wild that the movie has two semi-romantic pairings with Ma Dong-seok/Angelina Jolie and Barry Keoghan/Lauren Ridloff but instead focuses on the boring couple played by worse actors.
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I watched Eternals it was ehh, whatever. Half-baked villain poo poo with an ok set piece at the end. The scale/scope put on display is really the ony thing the movie had going for me. It definitely was hard to get into; I think maybe like and hour and half into the movie I was finally invested when they loving killed the Train to Busan guy  because I was really annoyed/mad about that lol.LesterGroans posted:It's pretty wild that the movie has two semi-romantic pairings with Ma Dong-seok/Angelina Jolie and Barry Keoghan/Lauren Ridloff but instead focuses on the boring couple played by worse actors. Yeah this was annoying tbh. Richard Madden and Gemma Chan are both stupid good looking though, so makes sense.
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LesterGroans posted:Barry Keoghan/Lauren Ridloff Felt like someone had asked for Robert Sheehan and settled.
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Robot Style posted:Yeah, Wizard was big on this back in the day. Their 1995 Avengers cast included pre-Broken Arrow Howie Long as Captain America, and Fabio as Thor. Timothy Dalton Iron Man is legitimately good
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Eternals was a pretty great tech demo for my OLED! super boring though
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2house2fly posted:Respect to Robert Pattinson for apparently not following a particularly strict exercise regime for The Batman I heard they had to use CGI to add definition to his abs, I hope that's true lol
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I don't think that's true at all. That's just people on twitter tripping. He does have a refreshingly realistic and achievable physique in that shot from the trailer which is cool.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Tons of movies have that done - if Lola is working on something, then you can guarantee someone's getting a facelift or tummy tuck somewhere. Apparently some actors have it in their contract to have post-work done on them in every movie (I remember hearing Angelina Jolie does, and Brad Pitt seems to as well based on how many of his movies they've worked on). A lot of it comes from the studio though, and it can be super creepy. I haven't worked for that company specifically, but I have worked on shows where the studio asked to have an actress' thigh gap increased or ankles smoothed.
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“Sorry brazilianpeanutwar but your beach body scene had to be cut because no amount of software can fix…..that”.
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Robot Style posted:I haven't worked for that company specifically, but I have worked on shows where the studio asked to have an actress' thigh gap increased or ankles smoothed. Lmao that's gross as hell
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Robot Style posted:I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. Tons of movies have that done - if Lola is working on something, then you can guarantee someone's getting a facelift or tummy tuck somewhere. What does it mean to have one’s ankles smoothed?
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DeimosRising posted:What does it mean to have one’s ankles smoothed? It’s a mafia term “ey’ joey,go get me the ankle grinder,this fuckin’ mooks gonna look a million dolla’s when ahm done wit im”.
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Dick too big to be CGI'ed away.
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Grendels Dad posted:Dick too big to be CGI'ed away. That's how we got someone in this thread probated!
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I worked with someone who would occasionally moan that their career-best work was doing an unspecified (non-penis) modification to the body of a prominent male actor and the NDA meant it could never go in their showreel.
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josh04 posted:I worked with someone who would occasionally moan that their career-best work was doing an unspecified (non-penis) modification to the body of a prominent male actor and the NDA meant it could never go in their showreel. Tom cruise height adjustment? Nahh Nic cage ghost riders abs? Hmm Some action movie star wanting bigger biceps? A fatter arse? A not fatter arse? Moob removal? So many possibilities.
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Now i want a comedy movie where the actors sabotage the face tweaking software out of spite and go from looking like airbrushed freaks to crackheads inbetween shots.
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Now i want a comedy movie where the actors sabotage the face tweaking software out of spite and go from looking like airbrushed freaks to crackheads inbetween shots. Every movie gets a scene like Mulholland Drive? Sign me up.
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Gatts posted:Having lived through the late 80s and 90s, so many were dead set on actors looking exactly like their comic counterparts for visual match. Not so much as today where there’s understanding of wanting good performance and despite a lot of BS when it comes to casting women for heroine roles, it doesn’t feel as bad today as I recall then. So many character matches went to pro wrestlers and poo poo. Pro wrestlers are still landing parts though.
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