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Looks like Sweden’s chief epidemiologist is considering relaxing the state’s stance on Covid once the current Omicron peak has passed. The rationale is that enough of the population is vaccinated, and consequences are mild enough for those vaccinated, that the epidemic will no longer be a danger to society. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tegnell-sa-kan-reglerna-andras In essence, they would remove quarantine mandates and just call it another strain of the flu. There’s a lot of political pressure from the right to do this mindset shift now. They understand by now that the vaccine passes and boosters don’t prevent spread, and the right wing hates all the other NPIs because they cause economic losses. Nothing seems to have been decided yet so I’m sure this is just a test balloon floating by. In a population with 60% vaccinated, I’m sure the calculus works out differently. It would be straight up murder.
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Jan 14, 2022 10:41
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We just established that “vaccine passes and boosters don’t prevent spread”. Being that that is so, the fraction of the population that is vaccinated doesn’t change the morality of the situation. In the absence of true herd immunity, everyone will be exposed to a deadly virus. Those who mount good immune responses will survive. Those who do not will perish. It’s not straight up murder because it is worse. It is eugenics.
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Jan 14, 2022 10:50
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Looks like Sweden’s chief epidemiologist is considering relaxing the state’s stance on Covid once the current Omicron peak has passed. God if it’s coming from Tegnell, I immediately know to not trust him. Especially if the right wants to speedrun it in. Weird how those rules can be shifted and yet others for more preventative measures cannot. Hopefully the wait time on boosters is shortened by a month because goddamn jab me jab me jab me
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Jan 14, 2022 10:58
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If governments are giving up they should at least give free n95 masks to immunocompromised people or children that can't take vaccines.
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Jan 14, 2022 11:11
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Mu Zeta posted:If governments are giving up they should at least give free n95 masks to immunocompromised people or children that can't take vaccines. Oh no, Sweden is still firmly in “surgical masks are the best we can do” territory. Every time I’ve brought up FFP2 masks in conversation, people have not even known what that means. And these are educated people! You’re practicing wishful thinking there.
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Jan 14, 2022 12:16
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Mu Zeta posted:If governments are giving up they should at least give free n95 masks to immunocompromised people or children that can't take vaccines. governments gave up a long time ago, friend.
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Jan 14, 2022 12:17
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Oh no, Sweden is still firmly in “surgical masks are the best we can do” territory. Every time I’ve brought up FFP2 masks in conversation, people have not even known what that means. And these are educated people! You’re practicing wishful thinking there. I’m lucky in Sörmland if we have “surgical masks are the best we can do”, I’d say it’s ten percent masking at best. Glad I bought auras in the US before the rush. We screwed the pooch on something so simple so early on and here we are now.
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Jan 14, 2022 12:27
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teen witch posted:I’m lucky in Sörmland if we have “surgical masks are the best we can do”, I’d say it’s ten percent masking at best. Glad I bought auras in the US before the rush. We screwed the pooch on something so simple so early on and here we are now. Yes here we are, still screwing that same pooch every day. That poor little pooch.
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Jan 14, 2022 12:51
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Plagueisland is SO over with Covid that it doesn't even make it to headlines while the whole country collectively focused on Bo "Rawdoggin'" Jo Christmas Party row. The self isolation time is reduced to 5 days (releae on 6th day if you have two consecutive negatife LF tests, unless I misunderstood the government blurb) which is kinda  given that there is absolutely zero control over the result reporting of those and entirely based on honor system. I don't see many people abusing that in the UK but still it's just one layer of actual testing (PCR) removed from the equation. I'm sure my Covid denier, anti vaxxer old housemate (who is a middle school teacher) will report her results honestly and diligently lmao
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Jan 14, 2022 13:34
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Galewolf posted:Plagueisland is SO over with Covid that it doesn't even make it to headlines while the whole country collectively focused on Bo "Rawdoggin'" Jo Christmas Party row. The self isolation time is reduced to 5 days (releae on 6th day if you have two consecutive negatife LF tests, unless I misunderstood the government blurb) which is kinda The government is transparently just letting It's what they always wanted
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Jan 14, 2022 13:37
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Welp, Pret can't sell those sandwiches to foxes, isn't it? Back to work, plebs 
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Jan 14, 2022 13:43
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I noticed a couple weeks ago that I kept showing people the wrong page in my vaccine passport, and neither I nor the guy/gal checking noticed. Like the page with the covid shots, this page also has two stickers. But taken years ago for something unrelated. Pretty cool, huh? e: some venues in my country require that you show them your vaccine passport.
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Jan 14, 2022 13:58
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Galewolf posted:Plagueisland is SO over with Covid that it doesn't even make it to headlines while the whole country collectively focused on Bo "Rawdoggin'" Jo Christmas Party row. The self isolation time is reduced to 5 days (releae on 6th day if you have two consecutive negatife LF tests, unless I misunderstood the government blurb) which is kinda Were those people isolating and testing in the first place, anyway? I don't mean this to defend the five-day period which is crazy capitalist death march talk, but if someone didn't give a gently caress about covid and were asymptomatic or mild, I doubt they were testing or isolating properly. I mean, the best case scenario is that it knocks them on their rear end and confined to bed, in that case maybe?
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Jan 14, 2022 14:15
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Disco Pope posted:Were those people isolating and testing in the first place, anyway? I don't mean this to defend the five-day period which is crazy capitalist death march talk, but if someone didn't give a gently caress about covid and were asymptomatic or mild, I doubt they were testing or isolating properly. Well, yeah,um, sort of. I mean maybe in Murica you have more cavalier anti-vaxxer / deniers but seems like (from anecdotal evidence) even the anti-vaxxers here sort of abide by the rules [citation needed]. That being said, there is absolutely no way to know if someone reported a negative lf test while being positive so Jesus is at the wheel on that one.
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Jan 14, 2022 14:19
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Galewolf posted:Well, yeah,um, sort of. I mean maybe in Murica you have more cavalier anti-vaxxer / deniers but seems like (from anecdotal evidence) even the anti-vaxxers here sort of abide by the rules [citation needed]. That being said, there is absolutely no way to know if someone reported a negative lf test while being positive so Jesus is at the wheel on that one. Yeah, true. I guess the able to be jabbed but unvaccinated range from a sort of oblivious and feckless to a more malicious and obstinate, so there's going to be a gamut of reactions from "oh gently caress, this is a real thing, I better take it seriously" to "its a cold! Off to Wetherspoons to lick the handrails" As an example, my partner has a young, slightly dim, staff member who believes in the virus, wears masks and sanitises, but has doubts about how quickly vaccines were produced. My partner was able to bring him round on some things and as far as I know he'll be getting jabbed. And I'm not mad at him, but he's exactly who the real fruitcakes want to convince through their campaign of...uh, stickers of Bill Gates with devil horns on lampposts. Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jan 14, 2022 |
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Jan 14, 2022 14:24
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Disco Pope posted:Yeah, true. I guess the able to be jabbed but unvaccinated range from a sort of oblivious and feckless to a more malicious and obstinate, so there's going to be a gamut of reactions from "oh gently caress, this is a real thing, I better take it seriously" to "its a cold! Off to Wetherspoons to lick the handrails" I had two recent examples: I was out for an event and we decided to go to a bar and a nightclub afterwards. There was this sleeve tatooed slightly aggro guy ranting about lockdowns and gave me a poo poo for wearing a mask. He was "you were in a cramped pub with lots of people and going to a club without a mask on but you're wearing one in the cab" flavour ad I told him the cabbies are human beings and the cabbie was like "I ain't wearing one!" (Goddammit people smdh). Anyway, when we reached to the club they asked for Covid passes and he wasn't able to bring one because he wasn't vaccinated. He brought a negative LF test notification but I mean, god knows if it was legit or not. Another one happened during a date, she basically went on a Joe Rogan rant about vaccines but also was okay taking a LF test before the date. I mean, at that point what I can HOPE is yes they are twats but at least actually took the tests.
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Jan 14, 2022 14:46
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Galewolf posted:I had two recent examples: I was out for an event and we decided to go to a bar and a nightclub afterwards. There was this sleeve tatooed slightly aggro guy ranting about lockdowns and gave me a poo poo for wearing a mask. He was "you were in a cramped pub with lots of people and going to a club without a mask on but you're wearing one in the cab" flavour ad I told him the cabbies are human beings and the cabbie was like "I ain't wearing one!" (Goddammit people smdh). he kinda got your rear end tho lmfao
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Jan 14, 2022 15:07
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:he kinda got your rear end tho lmfao Well, no? Current government rules are "masks on" for the public transport and shops/markets/whatever (nightclubs and restaurants are considered exempt). I know in practice it's pretty lol but "you weren't wearing it in the pub, why you are wearing in the cab?" is like basically not considering cabbies or transport/service people as not humans. What part do you think I got owned?
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Jan 14, 2022 15:10
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IDK maybe the part where you're out partying in a fuckin bar and then start clucking and fussing like anyone else is the rear end in a top hat here
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Jan 14, 2022 15:12
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Looks like Sweden’s chief epidemiologist is considering relaxing the state’s stance on Covid once the current Omicron peak has passed. i'm pretty confident something similar will happen in many other countries after the peak. it's too tempting to say 'well now that everyone just got infected this is as protected as we're going to get so might as well open'er up'
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Jan 14, 2022 15:18
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:IDK maybe the part where you're out partying in a fuckin bar and then start clucking and fussing like anyone else is the rear end in a top hat here You are projecting way too hard, I'm giving an example on how you cannot know if someone is an anti vaxxer but still show some sort of responsibility by at least taking a LF test (well, allegedly) which was the discussion. So, by your rhetoric, anyone stepping outside from their house for socializing should just go all the way and not wear masks at all because that's hypocritical? What are you exactly trying to prove here?
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Jan 14, 2022 15:21
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I think the "the cabbie is a human!!!" argument is pretty funny since apparently nobody was thinking "the bartender is a human!!!" "the doorman is a human!!!" "the waitress is a human!!!" I get it's legal but it's absolutely 0% logical
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Jan 14, 2022 15:48
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Looks like Sweden’s chief epidemiologist is considering relaxing the state’s stance on Covid once the current Omicron peak has passed. I mean, with 90% vaccinated and the vaccine reducing transmission and severity, what other solution then to open'er up while masking is there? Apart from redoing last year's spiel of imposing lockdowns until cases are down and jabbing everyone with the omicron-vaccine once it's out, I don't really see any option. Genuinely asking, personally I am triple vaxxed, still masking everywhere and I'll take any booster thrown my way, but I'm also sick of all the restrictions and I notice that it is starting to take a toll on my mental well-being. Edit: I'm still in favour of quarantining anyone with a positive Covid test of course
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Jan 14, 2022 15:49
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I think doing any kind of unnecessary indoor event during a covid wave is probably being at least a bit selfish even if you're vaxxed/masked (and especially if not for either of those two things)
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Jan 14, 2022 15:52
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I went to bed last night thinking "I feel kind of okay actually maybe the booster won't be as bad!" Then a couple hours later I was in the roasting/freezing/roasting etc phase of a fever and now my whole body hurts too much to move without making a bunch of stupid noises and gasping lmao. Bunch of muscle spasms in my legs and my eyes are doing weird focusing poo poo I can't really explain but it's making the walls kind of look like they're breathing or flexing.
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Jan 14, 2022 15:55
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Galewolf posted:nightclubs and restaurants are considered exempt [...] is like basically not considering service people as not humans. What part do you think I got owned? heres your disconnect. they're telling you the rules are inconsistent bullshit and you're like "but i followed them! im a good person!"
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Jan 14, 2022 16:00
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Picnic Princess posted:my eyes are doing weird focusing poo poo I can't really explain but it's making the walls kind of look like they're breathing or flexing. Tfw when you forgot you took a bunch of shrooms
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Jan 14, 2022 16:03
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Anne Whateley posted:I think the "the cabbie is a human!!!" argument is pretty funny since apparently nobody was thinking "the bartender is a human!!!" "the doorman is a human!!!" "the waitress is a human!!!" I am not objecting to the illogical part of any of this, I'm well aware of the irony of being in a club and wearing a mask in a cab while the cabbie himself is not wearing one.
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Jan 14, 2022 16:03
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Picnic Princess posted:I went to bed last night thinking "I feel kind of okay actually maybe the booster won't be as bad!" I'm sorry, but you have actually gone to Hell. Turns out the breathing walls are like the only key difference.
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Jan 14, 2022 16:04
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Galewolf posted:I am not objecting to the illogical part of any of this, I'm well aware of the irony of being in a club and wearing a mask in a cab while the cabbie himself is not wearing one. It's not ironic, you're just an rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 14, 2022 16:16
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Ginette Reno posted:I think doing any kind of unnecessary indoor event during a covid wave is probably being at least a bit selfish even if you're vaxxed/masked (and especially if not for either of those two things) I agree.
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Galewolf posted:I am not objecting to the illogical part of any of this, I'm well aware of the irony of being in a club and wearing a mask in a cab while the cabbie himself is not wearing one.
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Jan 14, 2022 16:22
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After I was done with my superspreader event I wore a little bit of cloth on my face while cramming in a tiny enclosed space with some poor schmuck, to recognize his humanity. It's like rain on your wedding day!
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Jan 14, 2022 16:26
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Got a headache last night and still had it this morning so I took a rapid test - negative. My booster appointment was this morning so I notified the screening staff and nurse giving me the shot about my headache and they just went 'OK!' and away we went. They gave me the choice of booster and said that Moderna booster with a Pfizer vaccination has a slightly better immune response so I went with the Pfizer x 2 and Moderna booster.
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Jan 14, 2022 16:59
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I think the "wear a mask to protect others" messaging is over and done with. I wear a KF94 for my own protection, not the public's, and no one else I know who masks cares about the protection of others either. I'm well aware of the limited effectiveness for myself vs filtering on behalf of others but not infecting anyone else is a passive side benefit I don't care about.
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Vernii posted:I think the "wear a mask to protect others" messaging is over and done with. I wear a KF94 for my own protection, not the public's, and no one else I know who masks cares about the protection of others either. Yeah, I have a healthy number of KN95s, but I'm considering getting a valved mask for my own comfort before CDC changes their recommendation and everything gets backed up for months. Feels selfish after all the messaging in 2020, but 
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Jan 14, 2022 17:22
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Finally was able to get scheduled for a 2nd booster this coming Friday. So just gotta stay safe til then.
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Disco Pope posted:I liked that phrase about life not being a movie and you (the reader) not being a star. I sometimes wonder if part of the reason for Coronavirus denial and apathy is because its not a particularly cinematic disease - the early footage of people collapsing in the street or being boarded up in apartments definitely had zombie movie energy, but it hasn't been people in hazmat suits carrying foaming corpses or violently puking black bile or cars piling into each other on intersections. Its been Zoom meetings and a pain in the rear end to get toilet paper and a patina of things being poo poo but tolerable for a lot of us. quote:I said it in another thread about boomers, but the reason most of them seem to lust for the apocalypse is because they think they'd be able to still go out for brunch the Sunday after. Turns out the apocalypse is a hell of a lot more boring, eating dried provisions loving sucks and airborne viruses don't care how white or cool you think you are, nor how many guns you have.
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I am booked for my booster next Friday, and it is looking like I will have to go in to work for the first time in ages on Wednesday AND Thursday because even though we have record high new cases right now it's a perfect time to start relaxing restrictions for no reason whatsoever. Can't wait to pointlessly catch COVID the day before my booster. In other news, I need the goon mask experts to settle a debate: Is a poorly fitting N95 actively worse than a surgical mask? Or is it simply no better than a surgical mask because of the gaps?
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Oracle posted:viruses don't care how white or cool you think you are, nor how many guns you have. Captain Janeway would disagree with you there.
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