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False, the deck owns and has demonstrably benefited control bots and hosed over spinners. A good change.
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Jan 14, 2022 04:16
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Horizontal spinners aren't the type of spinners that needed to get nerfed. Vert spinners still run this bitch. The deck didn't help Defender against Ribbot.
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Jan 14, 2022 04:53
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BurntCornMuffin posted:They've had wins, going 1-2 in season 5's quals. Oh I misunderstood the guy, was going to say
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Jan 14, 2022 05:26
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I have no idea what Defender was supposed to do It's definitely a control bot with a lifter arm. But they went up against a pro driving team in Ribbot and really had no chance to ever control anything. Rusty is a pretty awkward sized bot and got some pretty serious airtime from Blip, might be a really fun flipper to watch this year... Also was pretty surprised on Tantrum being an incredibly effective bot! And the shelf does rule.
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Jan 14, 2022 05:42
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It's not very evident until a fight like tonight, but Whiplash is actually a solid control bot with a token spinner on its manipulator. It's different than something like Hypershock or Witch Doctor even if there are some cosmetic similarities. Defender is a different kind of control bot, with a less-experienced driver. Probably a mistake to discount it considering the team/family it comes from. Also, unlikely to be entirely scrapped as a concept even if it doesn't perform this season. The shelf really needs a big spinner on it to wreck your poo poo if you get tossed up there.
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Jan 14, 2022 07:34
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The shelf should be a Robot Wars death pit
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Jan 14, 2022 07:37
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PostNouveau posted:Nah, they didn't move for like 25 seconds before the countdown even started. I think you only get counted out for deliberately staying on the shelf to hide. The standard count out is: looks disabled, ref gives them about ten seconds to show movement, then ten second count after that.
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Jan 14, 2022 07:56
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The shelf should be a Robot Wars death pit gently caress no. that is the last thing this needs
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The shelf should be a Robot Wars death pit Death pits are literally the worst hazard in all of robot combat. The shelf has actually been useful and enjoyable these first 2 episodes.
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Jan 14, 2022 08:19
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Video from the Hijinx team explaining team explaining what happened. The wheel fell off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGak7fGdDMo
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Jan 15, 2022 01:32
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Losing to Mammoth has to be embarrassing, it's like a mixed martial artist losing a match by being slapped into unconsciousness I love it
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This was the first episode my kids watched in full (I only showed them the fights from the first episode.) My oldest went 0-4 on picking the Bot that would win/the one he was going for so completely gave up for the rest of the episode trying to disguise it as "I don't really care who wins, it doesn't really matter".
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Jan 15, 2022 10:32
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Tunicate posted:Losing to Mammoth has to be embarrassing, it's like a mixed martial artist losing a match by being slapped into unconsciousness It's not exactly Rusty. Looking at its stats they've got a better than .500 winnrate
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Tunicate posted:Losing to Mammoth has to be embarrassing, it's like a mixed martial artist losing a match by being slapped into unconsciousness Slapped into unconsciousness by a giant maybe.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Death pits are literally the worst hazard in all of robot combat. I definitely don't want to see anything like Bigger Brother lucking into a win against Hypno-Disc again in my life.
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logikv9 posted:i saw hydra smoking a bit early in that match but then i remembered the factoid about having an oil filter now so for some stupid reason i thought it was simply exhaust Yo, sorry to bring this up from a week ago, but let's talk about metallurgy Steel can be hard, or it can be tough, depending on alloy and heat treatment. Hardness is like a diamond - real strong, but you can smash it up with a hammer. It's very brittle. Toughness is more like what you might see if a car hits a lamppost. The lamppost will bend, but it'll stay in one piece. If you hit it only a little bit, it might deform slightly (like, the top of it might be visibly wobbling) and then spring back. What do you want Tombstone's solid bar to be like? Well, if you anneal it to be really tough, then it'll spin around and will never truly break, but it'll be like silly putty. It'll hit another (hardened) bot, and the bar itself will be all gummy and have chunks of it mash to the side and not really do any damage. If you temper it to be really hard, that's even worse - The whole thing will shatter. This actually happened a few seasons ago, Tombstone's bar split in half. To be the best of both worlds, you want both - An annealed soft bar in the middle, with a hardened business end to gently caress up bot armour. There are two ways to achieve this: You can build a single bar, and harden only the end using some fancy heat treatment process. On something that large and heavy, this is incredibly difficult and expensive. If a bar tip gets slightly hosed up, you also can't really recondition it. You have to toss it and put a new one on. It is also hard to check to see if you've done it right. The other method is to use a soft bar and put hardened inserts on the end. This is what they've done this season, and there are a lot of benefits. The bar is cheap and easy to make, the tips are cheap and easy to make, and there isn't a lot that can go wrong on the build side. It's easy to check that each part is hard/soft as appropriate, and if the tip gets damaged, you just bolt a new one on. This is a similar strategy that professional machinists have been using forever for lathes or mills - They have cheap toolholder and bolt on tiny little disposable carbide inserts on the cutting side. Obviously the issue here is that they didn't bolt the inserts on well enough. So it's a design problem, but not the one you think it is.
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At one point I did the math, and because jade is so insanely tough, replacing steel armor with the equivalent weight of jade seems logistically feasible. Plus it'd be a cool gimmick.
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Jan 16, 2022 01:36
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Obviously they should make the bar out of whatever the black box is made of
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Jan 16, 2022 01:43
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Tombstones been bolting teeth on to the bar for as long as it's existed. Before laser cutting got so cheap it was pretty common and it's generally worked out. Except for that one time with Nightmare.
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Great Beer posted:Tombstones been bolting teeth on to the bar for as long as it's existed. Before laser cutting got so cheap it was pretty common and it's generally worked out. Except for that one time with Nightmare. Yeah, checking, it looks like they have both varieties. They lost their bar in S4 vs. Bite Force, and it was the solid tool steel bar. Makes sense. They've also chipped a tooth a few times. In short, mechanical engineering is a land of contrasts
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ante posted:Yo, sorry to bring this up from a week ago, but let's talk about metallurgy cool poo poo to know thanks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPOd-DxTbcc Shatter! vs. SubZero - Bonus Fight
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Pararoid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPOd-DxTbcc loving L O L @ SubZero's flipper firing for the first time about half a second before the fight ends
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https://www.botsfc.com/home/battlebots-2021-post-fight-report-1-shatter-vs-subzero-breaking-the-ice-on-a-new-season Botsfc write-up on the fight, some damage pictures, and changes to shatter for the season. Also has some explanation on what was wrong with subzeros flipper.
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It does my heart good to see a hammer doing some real work.
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Tunicate posted:Losing to Mammoth has to be embarrassing, it's like a mixed martial artist losing a match by being slapped into unconsciousness Mammoth is basically designed as a giant control bot whose only real moves are to shove other bots around and sometimes punish spinners by making their weapon hit the box or walls. And it honestly owns. If a bot can't over come this most basic hurdle, then it might be time to rethink things when it comes tome to face an actual control bot.
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Mammoth's upgrades this year with the sturdier flipping arm and extra drive chain might make it a pretty interesting bot going forward. It's never going to win the Giant Nut or anything, but it's certainly able to gently caress over and spoil some other bots from making it.
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flippers and mammoth got nerfed a bit this year now you can't flip / endlessly slap bots out of the ring huh
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No, because you can flip them onto the upper deck thing. And then hope they can't get off for some reason. Or something, I'm not really clear what the rules are with it.
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The Upper Deck gives flippers a little extra power against the bots that can't self right. Otherwise it doesn't do too much. But although it was a way for the flippers to get a win, most of their game plan wasn't about getting the perfect flip and getting a bot outside the arena. It's to just gently caress up the bots with the flips and control the match. A lot of bots are really not made for being flipped high up into the air... Especially if they land on their spinning weapon. A 250 pound bot getting a few feet into the air and falling... that's a lot of loving force getting sent through all the internal parts.
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logikv9 posted:flippers and mammoth got nerfed a bit this year now you can't flip / endlessly slap bots out of the ring huh For sure. The upshot is control bots now get some smaller boxes in the arena they can corner their opponents in and smash them around.
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To be fair they've been also nerfing spinners as well. Tombstone and Minotaur used to spin 300+ mph before they reduced the tip speed and now the Deep Six rule they added prior to this season means SOW in its current form can no longer compete (tho its been retired anyways).
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halokiller posted:To be fair they've been also nerfing spinners as well. Tombstone and Minotaur used to spin 300+ mph before they reduced the tip speed and now the Deep Six rule they added prior to this season means SOW in its current form can no longer compete (tho its been retired anyways). Have they done anything to nerf vertical spinners? Those were already dominant, and a smaller box that a control bot can shove them around in doesn't hurt a vertical spinner as much as a horizontal one. They even talked in that segment they did on weird bots that break the meta about how the optimal bot at the moment is wedge-front 4WD vertical spinners.
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The tighter corners are great for control bots until the vertical spinner it's pushing around spools back up and it gets thrown into orbit because it can't escape.
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time to give walker bots a bigger buff 1000 lbs of pure murderous metal
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Finally got caught up on the first two episodes. Whiplash is amazing. I was worried about it going in, but it dominated Blood Sport from bell to bell. No one can drive like Matty and there was not one second of that fight that he wasn't in total control. Watching Mad Catter annihilate Yeti was also a lot of fun. Everyone always underestimates Catter until it destroys something. Free Shipping should have won his match. Kraken is so great. He's a wonderful underdog who's never going to win it all, but he never has a boring match.
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I think if Kraken was able to clamp down faster, he'd actually be a potential contender, for at least the final 4. Kraken is pretty capable of being a solid control bot and in seasons past has been able to penetrate bots, and from their prefight interview they seem to have increased the power of the bite for the season... I think maybe they just need a 2 stage system for the clamp down, one to just clamp down quick, and the other to put the pressure on and bite in.
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Great Beer posted:https://www.botsfc.com/home/battlebots-2021-post-fight-report-1-shatter-vs-subzero-breaking-the-ice-on-a-new-season Apparently SubZero had set the pressure in their main tanks higher in this fight than their earlier testing - this may have caused some faults in their regulator system leading to no pressure downstream. They believed the system had a small leak - allowing it to bleed off pressure during the fight and eventually reaching a low enough level that the flipper was able to work at the end. 
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lol after watching this poo poo i fell down the robot battle youtube hole but i did find this very funny video of small Huge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM6nOQI2xf8&t=2478s this whole video has a lot of funny poo poo in it
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