OwlFancier posted:

To be honest I don't buy at all the notion that "echo chambers" are a thing, I don't believe there are actually people who voluntarily hang out with people they don't at least broadly agree with. Who the gently caress wants to spend time with people you just have constant arguments with?

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Conversely there is very little space for any variant to out-compete Omicron, which is already considerably more contagious than any other respiratory disease, and a huge reason for that efficiency in spread is where it most likes to reproduce, which limits its deadliness.

The more likely bad outcome, especially given the massive worldwide pool it can try out new stuff in, is a variant closer in transmissibility and deadliness to Delta, but completely immune-evading, putting us right back to square 1 (or in fact square zero because a *lot* of vaccines were rolled out before Delta hit, and also people were much more willing to go along with NPIs). This is still relatively unlikely (the immunity evasion bit, anyway - between vaccines and Omicron a massive amount of the population have an immune system that is a lean, mean, coronavirus killing machine) but at the same time just 3 months ago we were all starting to breathe a sigh of relief that Delta seemed to be on its way out and thinking maybe it was all over.

ThomasPaine posted:

I mean we put up with pissflaps for a long time

winegums posted:

This whole "labour lost all their membership data" thing feels like it should be a bigger deal than it is. Am I missing something?

1) why didn't the company storing the data have multiple backups?
2) if above, who the gently caress signed a contract with no backups?
3) what are they going to do in terms of coordinating any sort of membership activity, or tracking payments to ensure members paying dues are legally allowed to (ie people's DD's aren't coming from illegible sources).

Any word on the debate the NEC were having about letting corbyn back in? I suspect if there is a snap GE they'll let him in as their finances and election workforce are going to be hosed. Plus if he's let in in the run up to a GE nobody will have space to debate whether helping labour is good or not (it's bad folks).

winegums posted:

1) why didn't the company storing the data have multiple backups?
2) if above, who the gently caress signed a contract with no backups?

Prole posted:

For better or for worse, internet forums tend to be an organic entity. A thread may start off with an eclectic mix of opinions and views from a range of backgrounds, but through sheer group dynamics you find they congeal into a sort of bubble of similar opinion. Either people get swayed by the opinions of others or those with what we might call "dissenting opinion" find it better for their brain to slide off elsewhere. I'd hazard a guess that almost everyone in here is a working class/emergent wc person aged between 25 and 50 with broadly "hard left" views and a penchant for poking the bees nest in terms of debate. Among ourselves, disagreement is still a thing, but it's more about the nuances.

winegums posted:

This whole "labour lost all their membership data" thing feels like it should be a bigger deal than it is. Am I missing something?

1) why didn't the company storing the data have multiple backups?
2) if above, who the gently caress signed a contract with no backups?
3) what are they going to do in terms of coordinating any sort of membership activity, or tracking payments to ensure members paying dues are legally allowed to (ie people's DD's aren't coming from illegible sources).

Any word on the debate the NEC were having about letting corbyn back in? I suspect if there is a snap GE they'll let him in as their finances and election workforce are going to be hosed. Plus if he's let in in the run up to a GE nobody will have space to debate whether helping labour is good or not (it's bad folks).

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Conversely there is very little space for any variant to out-compete Omicron, which is already considerably more contagious than any other respiratory disease, and a huge reason for that efficiency in spread is where it most likes to reproduce, which limits its deadliness.

The more likely bad outcome, especially given the massive worldwide pool it can try out new stuff in, is a variant closer in transmissibility and deadliness to Delta, but completely immune-evading, putting us right back to square 1 (or in fact square zero because a *lot* of vaccines were rolled out before Delta hit, and also people were much more willing to go along with NPIs). This is still relatively unlikely (the immunity evasion bit, anyway - between vaccines and Omicron a massive amount of the population have an immune system that is a lean, mean, coronavirus killing machine) but at the same time just 3 months ago we were all starting to breathe a sigh of relief that Delta seemed to be on its way out and thinking maybe it was all over.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

My local MP (David Lammy) recently apologised for nominating corbyn for leader. Last straw for me, voting green from now on I guess

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

We could get a completely new virus nothing to do with covid though.
Friend who works in a GP practice said that during the height of people taking precautions especially hand-washing, there was a very sharp drop in flu, cold, cystitis. One type of flu went completely out of existence. But now people are going back to their old hygiene habits cystitis for one thing is on the sharp increase! (Doesn't bear thinking about what can be inferred from that!)
I'll probably continue to mask during the winter months even when this is 'over'. Apart from anything, it keeps my chin warm in freezing fog.

Prole posted:

(Sorry, this is a bit of a pet topic)

The general consensus, given that they still haven't even named the third party that suffered the data breach, is that the company involved is either Blackbaud - which suffered a similar hack regarding labour data in 2019/20 - or David Evans' consulting firm. If it's the former then why on earth were they still using the firm? If it's the latter then Evans is really in the poo poo. Either way, it's very embarrassing for the party. They should've had backups but these are absolute clowns we're dealing with here so it doesn't surprise me if they didn't. You'd think that a massive data breach like this - nearly 400,000 people's information affected, maybe more given that some people who left the party long before the breach (including me), and even YEARS before, have received emails saying their info was potentially taken - would be headline news.

Clearly the party is lying about not knowing how many members they have due to the hack. Direct Debits would give you a rough number, as I've mentioned previously. I wonder where they got everyone's email addresses from to notify them of the hack if the breach was so devastating that they not only don't know who's info was robbed but don't even know what info was affected.

I reckon they know what's been taken and aren't too worried about it (so presumably not bank details etc). They also know that they can't admit to having farmed members' data out to a) a company with a record of losing it, or b) a company owned by the General Secretary. So they have to play dumb and hope it goes away. The press don't care, most members have forgotten about it. I hope the legal action that's being organised will shed some light on it all.

But yeah, you'd expect it to be taken more seriously than this, regardless of the ins and outs. Crazy that it is basically a non-story to most.

Lungboy posted:

The 3rd party that had the breach has been named now iirc.

E: yep: " LabourList has now learnt that the third party is digital agency Tangent, which ran Labour’s online members’ centre, and that the “cyber incident” in question was a ransomware attack."

Lungboy posted:

“cyber incident”

WhatEvil posted:

https://twitter.com/lulu_nunn/status/1482396740431003649?s=20

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

We could get a completely new virus nothing to do with covid though.
Friend who works in a GP practice said that during the height of people taking precautions especially hand-washing, there was a very sharp drop in flu, cold, cystitis. One type of flu went completely out of existence. But now people are going back to their old hygiene habits cystitis for one thing is on the sharp increase! (Doesn't bear thinking about what can be inferred from that!)
I'll probably continue to mask during the winter months even when this is 'over'. Apart from anything, it keeps my chin warm in freezing fog.

WhatEvil posted:

https://twitter.com/lulu_nunn/status/1482396740431003649?s=20

fuctifino posted:

That third patch was used by the Home Army resistance during the Nazi occupation, so I don't understand where the 'anti communist' stuff comes from. The original tweet's since been deleted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Army

Nonsense posted:

Get rid of all who betrayed Corbyn.

Mebh posted:

Snoods are pro tier winter clothing, superior to a scarf in every way (except maybe fashion, and I'm a goony goon so who cares)

Prole posted:

BUF on his back. Kotwica on his chest, alongside the thin blue line flag and a poppy pin. Madness. Just worn proudly.

smellmycheese posted:

fuctifino posted:

https://twitter.com/stephen15099225/status/1482418069922328578

There's a high chance they were inspired by the old BUF logo (though the bolt is different), but it just indicates that the officer is trained to use a taser.