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buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

For some reason I thought it was gonna be having sex with pillows to increase fun/decrease stress.

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Synastren
Nov 8, 2005

Bad at Starcraft 2.
Better at psychology.
Psychology Megathread




buglord posted:

For some reason I thought it was gonna be having sex with pillows to increase fun/decrease stress.

If it makes you feel better, that is the much less disturbing option of suggestive "things... with the pillow..." that was initially floated.

ShootaBoy
Jan 6, 2010

Anime is Bad.
Except for Pokemon, Valkyria Chronicles and 100% OJ.

It seemed fairly obvious what it was to me :shrug: The whole, 'murder or mercy' thing with a bit person is zombie fiction 101

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
yeah it's not like that doesn't come up in practically every zombie story?

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Oh no Bob's Wife is infected with the zombie plague, I guess we..... cure her and eat sandwiches yay!!

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
imo using a pillow is a lot weirder than just using a shotgun or a crowbar like a normal person

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

Verviticus posted:

how do you level up sneak efficiently? even with inconspicuous, zombies are still turning and seeing me no problem when i've only got a few points in my attempt with that pack

Fwiw inconspicuous doesn’t seem to do much- if they can only see you for a second as you pass by a window it’ll make you a bit less likely to be spotted, but for long term being in their sight or nearby it doesn’t help much.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
Smothering my bitten wife with a pillow... she eats the pillow and bites me. I am now doomed.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

If zombies need to breathe that just raises a shitload of questions about the whole zombie thing generally

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

30.5 Days posted:

Smothering my bitten wife with a pillow... she eats the pillow and bites me. I am now doomed.

in my experience with zomboid, this is the most likely outcome and hopefully they will change the tutorial to reflect this

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

If zombies need to breathe that just raises a shitload of questions about the whole zombie thing generally

Aren't there a lot of questions anyway, especially regarding the actual undead, flesh-rotting-off variants? Better not to think about it anyway.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

If it's just some corpse walking around i can accept that a wizard probably did it but if they have living guy biology going on you actually kinda do need to explain how this isn't just a football riot that dies of exposure in four days

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008
Zomboid with MP is the most fun I've had in a while, this game really lets you pick a playstyle and play it out fully. On our server I'm the mechanic/scavenger/loot organizer and I just spend all my time going out to get loot, sortîng it and fixing the cars. another friend is the gardener/cook and he loves keeping us fed with a big variety of meals and fixing up our clothes.

Another guy got it in his head to chop down a path to the river and build a floor all the way there so we can have a straight line for cars. I just love our little commune :3

We're in early december and so far, winter has been much less of a threat than expected. I thought we would have a ton of snow and constant subzero temperatures by now.
Will that happen?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Tbh the only “zombie” virus that makes any sense is the one from 29 days later.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Colonel J posted:

We're in early december and so far, winter has been much less of a threat than expected. I thought we would have a ton of snow and constant subzero temperatures by now.
Will that happen?

My group is a couple of months into the 'Six Months Later' preset and most of the snow and freezing temps starts around the middle of January. For some reason reason snowfall doesn't fill your outside containers with water so you should make sure you're near a water source.

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

MarcusSA posted:

Tbh the only “zombie” virus that makes any sense is the one from 29 days later.

Care to share with those of us who don't know what that is?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat
I assume 29 days later is the porno version

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!

Bedshaped posted:

I assume 69 days later is the porno version

ftfy

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
In 28 Days Later they're not really supernatural zombies. They're people infected with a virus that consumes them with rage and hatred. They act like zombies because they want to tear you to pieces with their hands and teeth, but they're not really super-strong. They're just impervious to pain because they don't notice it any more. After a few weeks the infected all start to die of starvation because they're out of their minds and can't feed themselves or act rationally. The only thing that doesn't really make sense about the Infected in those films is that they don't attack each other.

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib

Umbreon posted:

Care to share with those of us who don't know what that is?

its like a rabies virus or something, i think

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

Umbreon posted:

Care to share with those of us who don't know what that is?

28 days later - it’s called the rage virus and makes you super aggro. Some scientist was trying to make a pill to reduce aggression, but decided to use the Ebola virus as a vector to transmit it. The virus mutates while being tested on a monkey and instead of inhibiting aggression magnifies it. Animal rights activists try to break the chimps out and get infected, resulting in the infection spreading more and more.

People basically just sprint at everyone to attack them once they have the rage virus. Eventually they do starve tho after a few weeks, not clear why dehydration didn’t kill them tho . It definitely seems a bit more built out/thought through than some zombie viruses, but still not super plausible 🤷🏻‍♂️

28 days later and its sequel are some of the best zombie movies imo though, so I’d super recommend them.

tildes fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 16, 2022

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

tildes posted:


28 days later and it’s sequel are some of the best zombie movies imo though, so I’d super recommend them.

Absolutely and I’m a little surprised we didn’t get a 28 months later especially with how the second one ended.

They are both really good.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
My sister has heterochromia and it's nice to know she will be the carrier that ends the world someday.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



I read somewhere that irl apocalyptic viruses aren't really as scary as in movies, bc viruses are either incredibly deadly which means they kill the host before they spread worldwide or they're mild enough not to kill the host but they spread further.

I would've believed it until COVID 19 came along bc thats a virus that can gently caress you up AND spread worldwide.

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

We’re also finally getting data about a host of medical problems being caused by viruses, so a society ending pandemic is probably going to be more “most of the people now cannot function without help and society buckles in trying to continue with them”

Although it also means we might actually have a cure for MS, so :toot:

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
Me and some friends are going to play project zomboid tonight. Is sleep worth having on a multiplayer server, or is it just a pain?

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008

Typical Pubbie posted:

Me and some friends are going to play project zomboid tonight. Is sleep worth having on a multiplayer server, or is it just a pain?

You can have sleeping enabled but not required, that works out fine for us.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
So in that case players will get tired, but we don't all need to sleep at once? Does that mean we'll have to watch our characters sleep for 5-10 minutes?

Sab Sabbington
Sep 18, 2016

In my restless dreams I see that town...

Flagstaff, Arizona

Bedshaped posted:

My group is a couple of months into the 'Six Months Later' preset and most of the snow and freezing temps starts around the middle of January. For some reason reason snowfall doesn't fill your outside containers with water so you should make sure you're near a water source.

Interestingly, I've found if you set the weather to Very Rainy while doing an otherwise vanilla Sandbox start it's already nonstop blizzards in July, which is both very funny and creates some super interesting situations. I haven't tried to reproduce it with another save because I'm enjoying it, but I'm wondering if it's just rng, some of the mods that I'm running, a bug, or some combination of everything.

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

Typical Pubbie posted:

So in that case players will get tired, but we don't all need to sleep at once? Does that mean we'll have to watch our characters sleep for 5-10 minutes?

It basically allows you to take advantage of the sped up time property (if everyone sleeps at the same time) without your character actually experiencing the tiredness mechanic.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
Gotcha. Thanks!

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Kvlt! posted:

I read somewhere that irl apocalyptic viruses aren't really as scary as in movies, bc viruses are either incredibly deadly which means they kill the host before they spread worldwide or they're mild enough not to kill the host but they spread further.

I would've believed it until COVID 19 came along bc thats a virus that can gently caress you up AND spread worldwide.

smallpox killed an estimated 95% of the Americas, the black plague had plenty of people at the time convinced it was the apocalypse, virus just can't be so lethal victims die before they can infect someone else

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



oh yeah im not saying it was true

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Kvlt! posted:

I read somewhere that irl apocalyptic viruses aren't really as scary as in movies, bc viruses are either incredibly deadly which means they kill the host before they spread worldwide or they're mild enough not to kill the host but they spread further.

I would've believed it until COVID 19 came along bc thats a virus that can gently caress you up AND spread worldwide.

I always like Romero zombies just because it was "literally anyone who dies, for any reason, comes back as a zombie". Basically just "magic" but it also explains how it became such a worldwide problem. Zombies as a viral infection just never quite makes sense because it's never clear how it goes from one zombie somewhere to "the entire world is infected", especially since so much of zombie fiction, the infection only spreads from being bitten by a zombie, which as far as transmission vectors go is one of the less effective ones.

Although I suppose a big difference between zombies and real life pandemics is that a lot of what makes real life pandemics happen is social models that heavily benefit viruses - there's a reason why so many of the worst diseases in history only really exploded when they got to big cities. A good way to survive a viral pandemic in real life is to just not live very close to anyone else, but zombies are a virus that specifically hunts you down.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



The spread by bites route makes more sense with fast zombies, but PZ itself has a good solution, with airborne spread that about 10% of people are immune to but bites are 100% infectious.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
I got too into the weeds here for the survival thread but my impression is that the idea is basically true for modern epidemics- Covid kills like ~4% and leaves many asymptomatic for awhile/the whole time. So it kills a lot, but much less than in movies and not obviously. But something like rage virus which kills 99% of people but takes awhile to kill and makes the infected highly motivated to spread the disease seems sort of plausible as a real apocalyptic infection.

Hopefully once Zomboid hits year 20 of development they will have fully modeled the entire US during all stages of the infection and we can experience it firsthand 👍🏻👍🏻

(It also seems like in zomboid it required social breakdown and non infected storming barricades for things to really break down? I haven’t listened to that much of the radio early on tho)

lordfrikk
Mar 11, 2010

Oh, say it ain't fuckin' so,
you stupid fuck!

The Cheshire Cat posted:

A good way to survive a viral pandemic in real life is to just not live very close to anyone else, but zombies are a virus that specifically hunts you down.

If the pandemic killed everyone in the cities, what are the odds you'd survive by yourself in the country? Unless you went fully off-the-grid and already lived like that before, I think you'd just die later when you'd realized everything you needed to survive was manufactured by the people who lived in the cities :v:

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


lordfrikk posted:

If the pandemic killed everyone in the cities, what are the odds you'd survive by yourself in the country? Unless you went fully off-the-grid and already lived like that before, I think you'd just die later when you'd realized everything you needed to survive was manufactured by the people who lived in the cities :v:

We're off on a tangent here but this is what intrigues me and my friends about Zomboid. We're all basically as city folk as can be. Most of us have been on a farm or had relatives out on the country when we were kids, but if a zombie apocalypse started or I had to survive on my own outside the grid or even in the wild, I'd be totally lost.

The mood of the game starts to get really grim once the electricity goes down, water supply stops and winter comes around. I dunno if adding an endgame of NPC's or other survivors is good or bad, I guess we'll see?

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

lordfrikk posted:

If the pandemic killed everyone in the cities, what are the odds you'd survive by yourself in the country? Unless you went fully off-the-grid and already lived like that before, I think you'd just die later when you'd realized everything you needed to survive was manufactured by the people who lived in the cities :v:

you'd be dead of thirst unless you stayed by a water source (probably tainted and would give you the shits), and almost nobody would be able to find food on their own, even outdoorsy people would be completely hosed. basically no survival games out there really try to simulate how hard it is to find food and water unless you really REALLY know what the gently caress you're doing, practically all the TV "survival" shows are extremely fake. just making a fire without tools is incredibly hard. attempting and failing all that poo poo costs calories and you wouldn't have time to learn before you are too sick/weak to continue. zomboid is a little bit harsher than most games but you can still scrape worms out of the dirt and just live off raw worms, which is dumb as poo poo lol.

e: practically any injury, even a minor cut, can become very dire if you are alone and have no medicine or clean water

Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Jan 17, 2022

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Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG
I have no doubts if the apocalypse happened I'd certainly be like Zombie #437 or just immediately dead.

Survival games let me pretend I'm not a fragile, useless bag of meat!

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