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Vandar posted:Lexx owned. Lexx was not a good show, but it was a great show.
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Vandar posted:Lexx owned. 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's a strong vibe that Whedon gets off on the abuse and considers that a necessity for a female protagonist to 'earn' the right to be strong. It just came off as feminist at a time when most shows had female protagonists clearly begrudgingly to get their asses kicked and be saved by the male ones. I don't think Whedon invented the concept or anything, the rape revenge subgenre has been around since at least the 1970s, but he certainly helped to popularize certain aspects like the visual emphasis on bodily harm and strength through suffering of his leads. To the point where I think a lot of people are still incredulous to the idea of a female protagonist who's just naturally gifted, strong or talented in the same way that men are allowed to be, they're total Mary Sues until overpowered and violated by a (usually) stronger man.
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exquisite tea posted:I don't think Whedon invented the concept or anything, the rape revenge subgenre has been around since at least the 1970s, but he certainly helped to popularize certain aspects like the visual emphasis on bodily harm and strength through suffering of his leads. To the point where I think a lot of people are still incredulous to the idea of a female protagonist who's just naturally gifted, strong or talented in the same way that men are allowed to be, they're total Mary Sues until overpowered and violated by a (usually) stronger man. Predators and abusers speak a shared language.
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Jedit posted:Not as angry as I am that Terminator: SCC got cancelled in favour of Dollhouse. didn't it also get cancelled because the rights went up in price due to that christian bale movie?
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Was Whedon responsible for the Buffy plot line where a a lesbian turns evil after her girlfriend is murdered, but is saved by the love of a man?
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I only really remember the first 4 seasons of Buffy, but I really don't know what you're referring to about Buffy getting beaten up for two hours. I can remember Giles being kidnapped and tortured...
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The United States posted:Since it has been mentioned I am now obligated to post this
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The United States posted:Since it has been mentioned I am now obligated to post this I’m shocked this wasn’t the scene of Sarah Connor’s gangster friends explaining 9/11 to her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPzzYhuhOxo
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Martman posted:Pointing out that people's opinions are subjective is in fact the most eye-rollingly tedious You say that like it's obvious but I honestly think a lot of goons struggle to understand the concept.
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I AM GRANDO posted:I’m shocked this wasn’t the scene of Sarah Connor’s gangster friends explaining 9/11 to her. That is the best scene in the history of cinema, the fact that it's just a VO with ominous music in the background while two gangsters make hand puppets of planes crashing into buildings.
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FightingMongoose posted:I only really remember the first 4 seasons of Buffy, but I really don't know what you're referring to about Buffy getting beaten up for two hours. I can remember Giles being kidnapped and tortured... There was the episode where Giles drugged her and then set a vampire after her so she would be forced to kill it without being able to use her "specifically for fighting and killing vampires" powers, because the Watcher Council thought that was a good way to test Slayers.
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christmas boots posted:You say that like it's obvious but I honestly think a lot of goons struggle to understand the concept. How dare you. I am the protagonist, my thoughts are the correct ones.
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The most annoying thing is that people sometimes seem to think that strong necessitates physical power, when complex combinations of motivation are what people mean by strong characters. A strong female character is not just someone who can beat up vampires, it's characters like the head of Programming in the movie Network - she has crawled to a high ranking position in the TV studio she works at and now proposes new shows and controls what makes it to air. However in doing so she hasbecome obsessed with programming to an unhealthy level, resulting in her losing any connection with real people other than as something she can exploit for views, leading to more and more extreme decisions like turning a news anchor's mental breakdown into a regular primetime show as he is allowed to rant about whatever he wants (with no one noticing or caring that his mental health is collapsing) and eventually signing exclusivity contracts with literal terrorists for coverage of their misbehaviour so that she can scoop the other channels. This collapse into her obsession results in her relationship with the former head of news programming, who's job she kind of took over, also collapsing as he realises that he is the only real thing left in her life with everything else being just white noise designed to entrance people into giving the station money. So he leaves that relationship, leaving her clutching at straws because the situation she has created has spiralled out of control because of her creation ranting about something that her superiors didn't want him ranting about, so she's stuck, alone trying to keep the plates spinning as all of her terrible decisions come home to roost, eventually deciding on a final resolution to her problem. All her remaining empathy and humanity is by that point stripped from her and she is just a machine making decisions purely to boost ratings and protect her company, leading her to coldly decide that it's time the crazed anchor was taken off the air. In a way designed to pull in viewers, a public execution in the middle of his show disguised as an assassination. THAT's a strong character. Spoilered because it's a movie from the 70s that a lot of people might not have seen.
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The United States posted:Since it has been mentioned I am now obligated to post this That's one of the best scenes from the entire franchise, and one of the smartest way to do a big action piece without blowing your budget.
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Network is an incredible movie everyone should watch it.
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BioEnchanted posted:The most annoying thing is that people sometimes seem to think that strong necessitates physical power, when complex combinations of motivation are what people mean by strong characters. "Strong" doesn't, or shouldn't, mean powerful or influential even. To me, it means a character with a strong sense of self and will to actualize their goals. I recently rewatched Fargo and was struck by how strong a character Frances McDormand's Marge Gunderson is. She never physically engages anyone but just through will, tenacity, and intelligence manages to solve the case while still being very much a pregnant woman. So often "strong" women characters are portrayed as having traditionally masculine traits like aggressiveness, jocularity, and a lack of caring for others. There are other kinds of strength that rarely get explored. It was also a bonus that Marge's husband is this easy going dude that low key recognizes how strong his wife is without being threatened by her in any way. Movie aged well imo
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Zaroff posted:Was Whedon responsible for the Buffy plot line where a a lesbian turns evil after her girlfriend is murdered, but is saved by the love of a man? Love is a man is stretching it...much more of a platonic love of long-term friendship? The whole "magic is drugs" angle (again, season 6 was bad, and I tend to think 7 even worse) was terrible.
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Watching Cas Anvar on the first five seasons of The Expanse during my recent rewatch was a bit weird, especially since Alex was (and remains) one of my favorite characters on the show.
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Alhazred posted:That is probably the most overused song in tv and movie history. I dunno if it was more overused, maybe it just seemed that way because I watched a lot of Scrubs, but I had a dream a few weeks ago I was hanging out with my friends but we were all wearing scrubs. Then suddenly Fray's "How to Save a Life" started playing and I was all "oh poo poo, everybody ok? Check all the rooms somethings going down someones dying."
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800peepee51doodoo posted:"Strong" doesn't, or shouldn't, mean powerful or influential even. To me, it means a character with a strong sense of self and will to actualize their goals. Yeah following up on my somewhat unfocused one am post lol, this is what I meant by "Normal Again" being a gross episode. Buffy is arguably defined by that strong sense of self/ability to actualize her goals more than her physical strength. That is what I'm talking about when I say she's powerful. That episode took away that sense of self and ability to overcome terrible hardship in a pointless, incredibly exploitative way.
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Everyone knows that a Strong character means they have at least a 16 Str score on a D&D character sheet
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https://twitter.com/LisaMichelleEu1/status/1482659837284544513?s=20 This came out recently and already aged badly.
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I wonder if that's better or worse than this thing https://youtu.be/2DS0DssvTjc
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bobjr posted:This came out recently and already aged badly.
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Zaroff posted:Was Whedon responsible for the Buffy plot line where a a lesbian turns evil after her girlfriend is murdered, but is saved by the love of a man? I don't know how much influence/control he had over the show at that point but that (like a bunch of other questionable stuff) was in season 6 after Whedon had handed over the reins to Noxon. She doesn't stop being a lesbian but it's a lovely plotline in a season full of them.
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It was the season ender, even after he handed day to day off he was still writing the season close story arcs.
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Volcott posted:What if buffy had a gun. She had a rocket launcher in that one episode and then never again Feel like she should have kept that around
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It was the season ender, even after he handed day to day off he was still writing the season close story arcs. He didn't write that one because that was when he was doing Firefly.
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docbeard posted:Watching Cas Anvar on the first five seasons of The Expanse during my recent rewatch was a bit weird, especially since Alex was (and remains) one of my favorite characters on the show. I knew nothing about the actors and was falling off in season 5 anyway but uh... Well that explains why they killed him off.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Lexx was not a good show, but it was a great show. Lexx was trash, but it was unpredictable trash that 100% unironically believed in what it was trying to do, even when what it was trying to do was incredibly stupid. For that, at least, it's incredibly refreshing as a piece of media.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I don't know how much influence/control he had over the show at that point but that (like a bunch of other questionable stuff) was in season 6 after Whedon had handed over the reins to Noxon. It was a lovely plotline including an egregious fridging (although it did introduce me to Laika so it wasn't all bad), but it didn't play out the way anyone is describing it. Willow was already sinking long before and it had nothing to do with her being LGB. Nor is she "saved by the love of a man" except in the most technical sense, and certainly not in the "cured by dick" way that is being implied.
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Great timing on Joss Whedon chat, because today, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, his rehabilitation has begun. And he went with the bold strategy of "No actually Ray Fisher's skin is too dark and he's a liar and bad actor." https://twitter.com/Uber_Kryptonian/status/1483069900629422090?t=-m8QZsMaeBX39xVbEnJ25g&s=19
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Reminder, sexual abuser Joss Whedon wasn't allowed to be alone in the room with teenage Michelle Trachtenberg.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Great timing on Joss Whedon chat, because today, Martin Luther King Jr. Day, his rehabilitation has begun. And he went with the bold strategy of "No actually Ray Fisher's skin is too dark and he's a liar and bad actor." What loving garbo. Even if Fisher's acting was "bad" you are the director. It is your job to tutor him up. Cause you are the leader on set you loving jackass.
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It's definitely an "even if" hypothetical because he gives the best performance in the entire film (the real version, I mean, not Whedon's)
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Barry Foster posted:It's definitely an "even if" hypothetical because he gives the best performance in the entire film (the real version, I mean, not Whedon's) I didn't see it because you know, DC.
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