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NotJustANumber99 posted:like some youtube millionaire that has endless videos of him pushing matchbox cars across the floor. It's an absolute bag of shite. Apart from songs from Encanto (which are good and i will fight you but are only there because it just came out), it's all absolute poo poo. Just a generic face on the thumbnail looking shocked as they 'react' to someone else's content. Like who the gently caress are these people? Why do people watch them? It's like if you search for a clip of something you're more likely to find someone talking over clips of the thing cut down to avoid the content filter, a hello fresh placement halfway through and a whole bunch of subscription filler on either side. And it still can't work out that if you watch a leftist video explaining why Jordan Peterson is a twat, that is the opposite of wanting your recommendations infected with darkenlightenment1488's videos on "Dr Peterson DESTROYS libtard cuck with 12 weird tricks." poo poo as paid TV channels may be, they've got nothing on algorithm led user content platforms.
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Mine only recommends me other lefties, it's great. Endless hose of media analysis mixed with varying degrees of decent politics takes.
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I feel like at this point the Tories killing off the BBC is one of the last things that could ever possibly get through to a certain kind of person that maybe they’re not the party of “traditional British values” they claim to be. But it won’t, of course, it’ll be blamed on woke immigrants and antisemitic leftists and millennials, and they’ll nod and agree
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To counterpoint Owly a bit, I'm basically the opposite. I like watching dramas, comedies, movies of all varieties - the sort of stuff that takes a lot of money and a huge collaborative effort basically, and essentially never watch anything on Youtube outside of a few specific people who don't post much. I think just frittering all that money away to everyone who fancies making something would just leave us with a similar standard to the best of what Youtube can do now, just a lot more of it and a LOT more shite. Sometimes you need a well funded professional cast, crew, post-production team, etc. to make the sort of thing some people are gonna want to watch. Netflix or BBC, I don't mind overly from purely an entertainment stand point as both seem to be able to produce good stuff, but if all entertainment was suddenly YouTube standard that would be my version of AV hell.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1482846215209467910 Aaaaand another one.
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OwlFancier posted:My enduring memory of new labour was blair jumping ship the minute it looked like all the poo poo he'd been doing might catch up with him and then seemingly non stop poo poo coming up the entire time brown was in charge, so low rent tory boy club is exactly what I expect from this lot. You'd think Blair leaving how/when he did and bequeathing Gordy a poisoned chalice would have coloured his acolytes opinions of him a bit. Fairly clear he'd have taken a kicking in 2010, maybe worse than Brown did. As it is, the mystique of the three-time winner prevails.
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Worked for Cameron, hell even seems to be working for May to a degree, having the good sense to gently caress off before the poo poo hits the fan does wonders for a political career.
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Prole posted:I truly believe every democratic society should have a good public service broadcaster. Unfortunately I no longer believe the UK is a functioning democracy, nor that the BBC can be thought of as broadcasting in the public's service. It's become a propaganda machine for an authoritarian soft dictatorship... By this logic, if the BBC still exists but as an explicitly commercial broadcaster then its news coverage will also still exist and be at best as bad, if not worse, than it currently is. Which is a fun thought. There's going to be strong "don't know what you've got until it's gone" vibes when the BBC is a fully commercial broadcaster with all that entails.
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Jakabite posted:I think just frittering all that money away to everyone who fancies making something would just leave us with a similar standard to the best of what Youtube can do now, just a lot more of it and a LOT more shite. Sometimes you need a well funded professional cast, crew, post-production team, etc. to make the sort of thing some people are gonna want to watch. Netflix or BBC, I don't mind overly from purely an entertainment stand point as both seem to be able to produce good stuff, but if all entertainment was suddenly YouTube standard that would be my version of AV hell. That's the opposite of anything that Tories or NewLab would want, but about the best way possible to rebuild trust in an institution and create content that resonates with people.
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forkboy84 posted:There's going to be strong "don't know what you've got until it's gone" vibes when the BBC is a fully commercial broadcaster with all that entails. For many people, the BBC is already gone. I haven't actively listened to BBC radio this millennium, I haven't watched live broadcast TV since 2009, and I genuinely cant remember the last BBC programme I've seen. Fringe music exists outside of radio 6. There are the most amazing independent online radio shows out there, podcasts that you can download and youtube videos that cover anything and everything. Let the fucker burn to the ground, then it might help you break out of your Stockholm syndrome.
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Guavanaut posted:Perhaps the truth-in-the-middle solution would be a BBC funded through general taxation (and international sales) and with part of the budget decided through participatory budgeting on a regional level that anyone can take part in. That sounds nice. Overall I think it would be good for a) a lot more money to be put into this sort of thing, and b) a much more participatory process for getting your stuff made. Obviously not everyone who wants to write for TV is going to be able to, but it would be nice to have more competitions/grants for amateurs getting their stuff produced with some sort of budget/support.
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Keir starmer should resign over these serious allegations. The PM however should be cheered for letting his staff blow off a little stream
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Speaking of cool youtube things and also tangentially related to twistoposting about absolutely ridiculous telecoms history, there is a very fun video I watched that makes me think we should replace social media with teletype machines connected via putting a phone handset into a weird rubber device. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmBLsKV7Sx0
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forkboy84 posted:By this logic, if the BBC still exists but as an explicitly commercial broadcaster then its news coverage will also still exist and be at best as bad, if not worse, than it currently is. Which is a fun thought. Maybe. But we won't have to "pay for it or go to prison". I'm not cheering on the end of the BBC but it's its own fault for the way it's treated the people who fund it. Now there's far fewer people willing to go out to bat for it. I'm simply saying it's hard to find the sympathy for it when it's done so much harm over the last decade. Or at the very least enabled the harm done by the Tories.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Keir starmer should resign over these serious allegations. The truth, tragically (and ironically?) is somewhere in between: both Starmer and Johnson have a loving cheek asking anyone to follow the rules when there are photos of them not doing so so gleefully. That is unequivocally harmful to public health, thanks to a loss of public trust. Though I'd sooner see Johnson go for one of a hundred more serious, more destructive reasons that are *right there* but going ignored.
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One thing that surprises me about #partygate is that Corbyn attending that small dinner party / wake thing hasn't been dug up by the fash press. (Remember, where he was one of 6 people - allowed at the time - then a couple more turned up and he didn't immediately leave). He 'fessed up along with the others and I think they were going to be fined £200 each though I think I read the fines were never applied.
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Guavanaut posted:Perhaps the truth-in-the-middle solution would be a BBC funded through general taxation (and international sales) and with part of the budget decided through participatory budgeting on a regional level that anyone can take part in. Not so much the participatory budgeting part, but that model is how the Australian Broadcasting Corporation works, with funding from the government but otherwise (at least theoretically) independent. In practice it just leads to the ABC being slowly strangled whenever conservatives are in power.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:One thing that surprises me about #partygate is that Corbyn attending that small dinner party / wake thing hasn't been dug up by the fash press. I think a wake was an exception anyway
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think a wake was an exception anyway Didn't stop the papers: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8792113/Jeremy-Corbyn-flouts-Rule-Six-regulations-dinner-party.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/corbyn-apologises-for-breaching-rule-of-six-at-dinner-party-for-nine-a4560476.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-breaking-coronavirus-22773166 https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/j...lin-khan-672165 etc
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:One thing that surprises me about #partygate is that Corbyn attending that small dinner party / wake thing hasn't been dug up by the fash press. I don't think the press care very much about Corbyn anymore to be honest. Their goal was to keep his policies as far away from being implemented as possible, with him as far away from power as possible, and they succeeded. The only people I see talking about Corbyn like he's still a threat are the small number of people who actually do worship him as though he was a god, and the melt centre who are always on the lookout to relive their victories and who realised that anti-corbyn stuff was a great grift for a while which they don't really want to stop. The papers are more concerned with getting their candidate into No10, whoever that may be at the moment. It's rarely the Labour candidate, so they'll go after the LOTO. Corbyn's a past battle won to anyone who was out to get him for more than the grift.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:One thing that surprises me about #partygate is that Corbyn attending that small dinner party / wake thing hasn't been dug up by the fash press. That's because they'd rather black him out and not mention him. As any mention of the man negative or not is seen as revealing the elephant in the room
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WOOF WOOF! https://twitter.com/PoliDigitalUK/status/1482864262686986240
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think the UK has the capability to invade Rwanda to enforce that tbh. do they have the capability to bribe them a la nauru?
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OwlFancier posted:Speaking of cool youtube things and also tangentially related to twistoposting about absolutely ridiculous telecoms history, there is a very fun video I watched that makes me think we should replace social media with teletype machines connected via putting a phone handset into a weird rubber device. You mean you don't post this way already? Admittedly Youtube costs a *fortune* in paper.
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I think it's worth pointing out for context that I remember Owlie once saying he doesn't watch TV and can count the number of films he's seen on two hands (I might be slightly exaggerating and am happy to be corrected) His priorities are kinda unique in that respect
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josh04 posted:Incredibly odd libertarian turn in the thread imo, bringing out "the free market will provide so there's no need for a socialised alternative", "gently caress you got my youtube videos" and even "taxation is theft". And also a huge number of “the BBC is poo poo apart from the bits I personally like” posts
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Denmark already had similar plans. And my prediction here is the same, as soon as a pale skinned blonde haired activist from eastern Europe comes knocking on the door seeking protection, they will immediately find excuses not to send that one to Africa because it's ~different~
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Found a compelling case for the existence of the Beeb this morning https://twitter.com/HashiraPoyo/status/1480885617881923593?t=ortGpQMn9Zka1wFgD2qLVw&s=19
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Failed Imagineer posted:Found a compelling case for the existence of the Beeb this morning I wonder which weeb bribed which official to get this greenlit.
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josh04 posted:Incredibly odd libertarian turn in the thread imo, bringing out "the free market will provide so there's no need for a socialised alternative", "gently caress you got my youtube videos" and even "taxation is theft". “gently caress establishment media” is a legitimate one though
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Prole posted:Maybe. But we won't have to "pay for it or go to prison". I'm not cheering on the end of the BBC but it's its own fault for the way it's treated the people who fund it. Now there's far fewer people willing to go out to bat for it. I'm simply saying it's hard to find the sympathy for it when it's done so much harm over the last decade. Or at the very least enabled the harm done by the Tories. This is straight up a right-wing attack line. You know how loving easy it is to avoid not going to prison for not having the BBC? You phone them up one time, say "I've got a television that's not plugged into an aerial to play video games on", that's it. They might send someone out to check, in which case you can either let them in & show them it's not hooked up, or you can be a bit more arsey and send them away to get a warrant. Also lol "go to prison". You're only going to prison if you watch live TV or the iPlayer without a license, get caught (extremely unlikely, estimated they only have the ability to check about 1/5 households to see if they are lying, at most) AND then get taken to court, found guilty & fail to pay the fine. And no poo poo if you refuse to pay a fine mandated by a court they'll send you to prison. I'm not going to be stunned when a similar line is used on the NHS is a decade or 2, never mind that "starve the beast" is an explicit tactic of libertarian minded cunts to ensure the NHS isn't up to snuff & gosh, guess we need the market to pick up the slack. The NHS is already not fit for purpose. Even before the pandemic. The options are a) fund it properly or b) get to a point where poo poo can't be reversed. This worries me. Scrap the license fee & pay for it by progressive taxation. Kick all the Tories off the BBC board. End the privatisation & bring back in house all the various studios & units. That's all you need to make the BBC redeemable. Sure, it'd take time. But once it's gone it'll be incredibly hard politically to ever restore it. How many Tory privatisations have we seen reversed in the past 43 years? Barry Foster posted:I think it's worth pointing out for context that I remember Owlie once saying he doesn't watch TV and can count the number of films he's seen on two hands (I might be slightly exaggerating and am happy to be corrected) It's a very liberal attitude though: "I don't use it and therefore it can get in the bin". I think that's what startles me. I don't really watch TV much either. But you don't need much imagination to see that Youtube & the BBC at least in theory serve slightly different priorities. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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josh04 posted:Incredibly odd libertarian turn in the thread imo, bringing out "the free market will provide so there's no need for a socialised alternative", "gently caress you got my youtube videos" and even "taxation is theft". While there is obviously good content on there Youtube has the same rich white guys problem as every other media outlet.
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josh04 posted:Incredibly odd libertarian turn in the thread imo, bringing out "the free market will provide so there's no need for a socialised alternative", "gently caress you got my youtube videos" and even "taxation is theft". There should absolutely be a socialised alternative. It should just be paid for out of general taxation.
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forkboy84 posted:It's a very liberal attitude though: "I don't use it and therefore it can get in the bin". I think that's what startles me. I don't really watch TV much either. But you don't need much imagination to see that Youtube & the BBC at least in theory serve slightly different priorities. Oh yeah, no, I agree
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I would absolutely be stunned if that line was being used on the NHS in 10 years time, because it's happening right now. There won't be an NHS as we know it for it to happen to. There probably won't even be a nation to have it, for that matter. It was always the Tory plan to destroy it all for profit, but they're accelerating everything to protect the worst leader any country has had probably since Elagabalus and to protect themselves. They have a very good chance to establish permanent Tory hegemony by doing so, but if they fail none of them will ever have another chance like this to pillage the nation. Also I see Prole is sitting on a 6er for being a re-reg. I told you. He wasn't a poo poo poster here, but nobody comes fresh into a community and is that comfortable being assertive.
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