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As far as distraction tactics go, BBC reform is Super Effective!
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forkboy84 posted:This is straight up a right-wing attack line. You're right. I put it in quotation marks because it's what is always levelled at the licence fee but I concede it was a lazy lead-in. But I stand by my point, generally. I think the BBC as it is, run by tories for tories, isn't fit for purpose. I just find it hard to muster the enthusiasm required to defend it after all the harm it has done over the last decade. As I've said, a public service broadcaster should be broadcasting in the public interest. The BBC isn't. And now it wants the help of those it's worked so hard to alienate. It's a sorry state of affairs, but not at all unpredictable. I don't know... I'll think it over once the initial emotional reaction dies down. (Incidentally: I'm not a re-reg! I don't know what I can do to prove it. I'm not averse to just linking to my blog and twitter if it saves the mods putting me on probation. I just got off a 6hr one based on the suspicion I am a re-reg. I'm at a loss as to how to prove I am new here lol. PM me if you really need proof. Best I can do.) In other news: seen this? https://twitter.com/anarchonbury/status/1483048614524039172
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Szmitten posted:Didn't a BBC employee here say that they have access to a secret internal version of the iPlayer that basically has access to every single thing ever broadcast on BBC television and were watching Blackadder and Ghostwatch and whatever the gently caress from the 70s at will? Monetise access to that archive. That might have been me. A close friend worked there until last year and its definitely a thing that exists. The back catalogue being available to the public isn't a thing the BBC is preventing, but the Government. The argument being it would be 'unfair competition' to the other channels etc. The BBC also basically tried to make Netflix like service back when Netflix was still mostly a DVD mailing company. Government shut it down for similar reasons. Eventually it got resurrected in much cut back form of 'Brit-box'. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Hahahaha https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/status/1483021977061404672
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Prole posted:(Incidentally: I'm not a re-reg! I don't know what I can do to prove it. I'm not averse to just linking to my blog and twitter if it saves the mods putting me on probation. I just got off a 6hr one based on the suspicion I am a re-reg. I'm at a loss as to how to prove I am new here lol. PM me if you really need proof. Best I can do.) Gonzo McFee posted:This is a good book about the BBC. jiggerypokery posted:As far as distraction tactics go, BBC reform is Super Effective!  (frankly, partygate is excellent distraction from the police & crime bill & all)
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Borrovan posted:(frankly, partygate is excellent distraction from the police & crime bill & all) This is where I am on the party stuff. I totally see the hurt it causes, and the massive hypocrisy on show. However there are so many destructive bills going through at the moment, just paving the way for a real far right headbanger to take over when Johnson eventually goes. Can you imagine PM Priti Patel dual-welding the Nationality & Borders Bill and the PCSC Bill in her rise? Terrifying thought. (Edit: also, thanks x)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:And of course the underground station is just all bloody wrong, that style of above-ground station is 100% a south and west London thing - the District and Central lines[1] run in culverts and tunnels all the way out to Essex Wait what? I've been on the District/Hammersmith and City line to Barking enough times and I remember it going above ground somewhere past Bow Road. Barking itself is, well, arguably Essex, but the station is above ground even if the platforms are down the stairs.
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It's funny that Corbyn's media proposals only went partway to what was needed to make the BBC a participatory public service and that was enough to make them poo poo themselves to where people don't care to oppose the arch-Tory defunding effort.
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ThomasPaine posted:The license fee is a regressive tax but also a completely optional one whether or not you actually watch BBC stuff, so... likewise with VAT you can just buy less stuff, so simple!
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https://twitter.com/mlothianmclean/status/1483051927369887744 Mills is a good egg, and was involved in the Corbyn campaign's plan to reform the BBC. Prole posted:(Incidentally: I'm not a re-reg! I don't know what I can do to prove it. I'm not averse to just linking to my blog and twitter if it saves the mods putting me on probation. I just got off a 6hr one based on the suspicion I am a re-reg. I'm at a loss as to how to prove I am new here lol. PM me if you really need proof. Best I can do.) Being accused of being hbag is simply a grievous insult.
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josh04 posted:Being accused of being hbag is simply a grievous insult. Haha I'll take your word for it. I'm trying to keep my nose clean.
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Whoevers re-reg you are or not you're certainly not hbag like that probe said, they're literally a child and only post in the middle of the night as they are asleep all day
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Rustybear posted:likewise with VAT you can just buy less stuff, so simple! How is this remotely similar
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Skarsnik posted:Whoevers re-reg you are or not you're certainly not hbag like that probe said, they're literally a child and only post in the middle of the night as they are asleep all day A - I'm not a re-reg!!!!! B - To be fair, when I got that slap, it was the middle of the night.
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ThomasPaine posted:How is this remotely similar don't watch broadcast telly ! is a flippant and unrealistic response to the point that the tv license is a regressive tax. it's exactly the same as telling ppl yes VAT may be regressive but feel free to buy fewer consumer goods if it's an issue for you
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Rustybear posted:don't watch broadcast telly ! is a flippant and unrealistic response to the point that the tv license is a regressive tax. I'm not saying don't watch broadcast telly though
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm not saying don't watch broadcast telly though
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Ugh, more on the subject of cannabis https://twitter.com/DanWei55/status/1483057633825333248
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm not saying don't watch broadcast telly though my mistake, what was the point?
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Borrovan posted:so you're saying "just don't pay the tax"? because that's also not a great argument if VAT is an issue for you just steal stuff, so simple!
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fuctifino posted:Ah so I was right, it's exactly the same vibe as 'We must save the Labour Party'. Thanks for clearing that up. I think manufacturing consent is not brainwashing. Propaganda is definitely the appropriate turn. To me brainwashing has a much more narrow definition, the use of Torture & similar "enhanced interrogation techniques" more so than just messages in the plots of TV shows that are probably viewed as apolitical by lots of their viewers. It's like the issue of copaganda, I wouldn't call poo poo like Blue Bloods and Law & Order and all the other shows about police that focus on the individuals and how well meaning they are even if sure there's bad apples sometimes etc brainwashing. It's consent manufacturing but that's a separate thing from brainwashing in my lexicon As for the Labour comparisons, lol gently caress off. If I thought that the Labour Party could be reformed then I'd support it. But I don't. Where as I think the BBC can be so I do. It's that simple, they aren't like for like comparisons. It's pretty funny to me that I'm apparently a BBC defender solely for not thinking the BBC simply needs to be funded through taxation and for the directors to be replaced while not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Because it's not like a BBC that has shareholders will be a more radical service or less fawning towards elites.
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Borrovan posted:so you're saying "just don't pay the tax"? because that's also not a great argument I'm saying that the way the license fee is implemented and enforced is a joke, and is therefore completely optional, whether or not you choose to watch broadcast television. It's hardly a tax if you can just choose not to bother paying it. I'd still prefer the BBC to be funded directly out of general taxation, and for the whole back catalogue to be free to access, but that's besides the point.
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fuctifino posted:Ugh, more on the subject of cannabis It's particularly baffling because the UK has never been that big on the whole REEFER MADNESS thing, New Labour rammed through reclassification to Class B even though nobody in the country gave two shits about it. Even ACPO were like "Nah we've already got enough reasons to hassle black people, we'd be happy for it to be decriminalised just to save paperwork" and the only people who want it banned wouldn't vote Labour if Starmer was personally machine-gunning refugees from the White Cliffs.
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forkboy84 posted:As for the Labour comparisons, lol gently caress off. If I thought that the Labour Party could be reformed then I'd support it. But I don't. Where as I think the BBC can be so I do. It's that simple, they aren't like for like comparisons. So this is just a difference of opinion. You think the BBC is worth saving based on what it used to be and what it could be again, and I don't. It's an argument that isn't too dissimilar to the arguments used by those who wish to save Labour.
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm saying that the way the license fee is implemented and enforced is a joke, and is therefore completely optional, whether or not you choose to watch broadcast television. It's hardly a tax if you can just choose not to bother paying it. that's a really strong argument for reforming the license fee, but overall i think we agree so great!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:It's particularly baffling because the UK has never been that big on the whole REEFER MADNESS thing, New Labour rammed through reclassification to Class B even though nobody in the country gave two shits about it. Even ACPO were like "Nah we've already got enough reasons to hassle black people, we'd be happy for it to be decriminalised just to save paperwork" and the only people who want it banned wouldn't vote Labour if Starmer was personally machine-gunning refugees from the White Cliffs. Not long after the reclassification, there was an Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs meeting where they discussed whether cannabis should remain at class B and to also discuss whether it should be legalised. The ACMD is mostly made out of professional bodies whose mere existence often relies on prohibition. They came to the conclusion that using cannabis could cost you your home, job and liberty etc, therefore cannabis is dangerous and should remain at class B. Yes, they used the dangers of prohibition as a reason to retain prohibition. I think this was also around the same time that David Nutt was sacked from the ACMD for accurately stating that taking MDMA was statistically safer than horse riding.
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Incredible thread of a massive FBPE lib trying to create a worldview which implicates billionaires but contains zero critique or mention of capitalism https://twitter.com/nickreeves9876/status/1482757279002902536?t=TkPw5DSrIziA1jzU4AdqGQ&s=19
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Starmer's got LegalBrain, it's against the law and therefore that's all that matters and no amount of science or compassion will convince him otherwise. Even though as a politician it's his job to change that.
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Maugrim posted:There is room for a variety of opinions amongst the tolerant left 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Incredible thread of a massive FBPE lib trying to create a worldview which implicates billionaires but contains zero critique or mention of capitalism lol literally the first sentence, I've not even read the rest but it's already proving your point We do have a name for it, Nick. Oh yes we do.
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forkboy84 posted:I think manufacturing consent is not brainwashing. Yeah it's not even close to the same. People on the left like the talk about the BBC like it is Russia today. There is a huge void between state owned and state run. If the BBC goes, it's only getting replaced by something easier to control. Either via private means like bskyb or whatever or explicitly state ran like Russia today. The left really needs to be careful what it wishes for with the BBC in my opinion. All the other scenarios seem much worse to me.
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A Spectre is haunting Europe...and these Spectre agents are locked in battle with the Ultra Global Regime https://twitter.com/IanSpindley/status/1482808903196885001?t=hk89TQ0e693iitMTT6jV8Q&s=19
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As someone who relies on weed to manage pain, I say gently caress Keir Starmer and anyone who places the convenient sanctity of the law above helping people. Reading that court transcript was particularly galling. Oh, you wanted to be able to function and help other people? Well that's your misfortune, don't be such a criminal. It's always about how it ruins lives, careers, etc whilst never making the connection that it only does those things because of its pointless criminalisation. It's just always so loving stupid
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fuctifino posted:So this is just a difference of opinion. You think the BBC is worth saving based on what it used to be and what it could be again, and I don't. It's an argument that isn't too dissimilar to the arguments used by those who wish to save Labour.
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Its not that the BBC deserves saving, it is that it's destruction will give ratings and market share to worse and more insidious media organisations that the right/capital has easier editorial control over. It won't be a good thing if it goes
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fuctifino posted:So this is just a difference of opinion. You think the BBC is worth saving based on what it used to be and what it could be again, and I don't. It's an argument that isn't too dissimilar to the arguments used by those who wish to save Labour. I don't think people arguing that Labour isn't worth saving think that when it collapses there shouldn't be a left-wing political party.
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