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Barry Foster posted:Marmite and marmalade? Now I've heard it all!!! Butter and jam is the toast topping of the gods and I will hear no bad word about it. e: gently caress. The Channel Tunnel would be announced two days from now, if it was 1986.
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keep punching joe posted:It's because Starmer is poo poo, and Labour have no policies, and are therefore unable to capitalise on the government melting down of its own accord. As soon as the Tories get a "competent replacement" in to fill Johnson's shoes we'll start to see their polling improve again. Labour's entire plan seems to be "wait for Johnson to be kicked out by his own side" and little else. Starmer simply isn't a politician. He's surrounded by scheming ideologues and he is too easily led to be anything more than a wet Tory puppet for them to point and shoot at whoever they feel is the enemy: ie, the left. Wholly uninterested in winning an election because they have no answers and know that they'll be shown up as the fraudulent inadequates they are in any election campaign. Part of me weeps. Another part of my can't wait to wait them flail around while they get smeared and slammed by every tabloid in the country, despite selling the working class out to them at the earliest convenience.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Last night I got a jar of Marmite, I put it on some toast and it was awful. Just god awful. Your body obviously craves the B-Vitamins.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:So why 'if they are all the same" does that translate to tory votes? I don't get it.  People not voting impacts the non-tory parties more. In essence, the tories have a solid floor of people who will always vote for them no matter what. The other parties don't have the benefits of nationalism, and the peculiar british character of punching out at anyone who looks like they have it better than you.
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FPTP but if non-voters win it goes to a random person on the constituency roll
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Guavanaut posted:FPTP but if non-voters win it goes to a random person on the constituency roll Unironically probably a better voting system than what we have.
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Guavanaut posted:FPTP but if non-voters win it goes to a random person on the constituency roll If recent events have taught us anything it's that government by jury would probably be a lot better for everyone.
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fatelvis posted:What do you mean by "zealous circadian rhythm habits" - sleep hygiene/regularity? Yeah all that. There is a great adhd thread in e/n
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forkboy84 posted:Anarchists and MLists routinely do work together at protests and on pickets. Maybe London just has more of an issue with this than other places in the UK then. The scene here is dramatically more fractured than other cities, from what I gather.
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Bring back the Athenian system imo.
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I think they're already working on the "no votes for slaves" and "noncing acceptable if you're rich" bits.
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Replace the commons with a battle royale and whoever holds the mace gets to make the laws.
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keep punching joe posted:Bring back the Athenian system imo. I enjoyed something I watched the other day about Athenian democracy, apparently there were no taxes but every year a list of the richest citizens was publicly displayed and each one was given a duty for the year proportional to their wealth. So the richest guy in town might be asked to build a whole rear end temple or whatever, others needed to build/maintain roads and marketplaces, and all public works were completed by this system. Being a society big on grand displays of honour and civic pride as a way to show off your prestige it apparently worked out alright as it goes, though I'm sure some did take the piss. Just lol at trying that now though. Eh, Bezos, turns out you've got to fund a US-wide high speed rail network to be made available to all citizens at affordable prices or you will no longer be welcome in this republic.
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Jakabite posted:Maybe London just has more of an issue with this than other places in the UK then. The scene here is dramatically more fractured than other cities, from what I gather. The narcissism of small differences - the left is the loving worst for this
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Australia has mandatory voting; nonetheless a turnout of 90%+ does not render its political zeitgeist substantively different from the rest of the Anglosphere or the West whilst there is probably a significantly-different-from-zero partisan skew to marginal voters, the magnitude of the skew is probably not very large; mainly it would matter to very close elections - that is, apathetic voters are not exactly indifferent voters but they're pretty close ronya fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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That's why constituency sortition if non-voters win is better than mandatory voting. It'd probably have a Tory bias in the short run, but every party would have to campaign both against each other and against voter apathy.
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Guavanaut posted:That's why constituency sortition if non-voters win is better than mandatory voting. It'd probably have a Tory bias in the short run, but every party would have to campaign both against each other and against voter apathy. This, but instead a random winner, we have an execution.
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ThomasPaine posted:Honestly I can't be arsed getting into a big debate today, my point was just that co-operation is theoretically possible. The Kronstadt rebellion for example was I think completely misjudged in timing (though not necessarily intent), the later treatment of anarchists in the USSR was also counterproductive and wrong. I'm not really interested in relitigating any of this, just suggesting that political relations between the two groups don't always have to replicate these historical events. "I don't want to have this conversation" *proceeds to make a point I already debunked about the timing of Kronstadt* Maybe some time you do want the discussion you can suggest when would've been an appropriate time to challenge the dictatorship of the party. Because if not after White's were such a small concern that the Red Army Had turned on their former allies in the Ukraine when? Can't be 1922 when the Workers' Opposition were kicked out for wanting workers (BOLSHEVIK WORKERS at that) to have more say than the rising bureaucracy in the running of the state. By the 30s, ah, got to combat fascism abroad and then as soon as WW2 is over they can claim to be undersiege with the Cold War Nevermind that the bureaucracy is firmly established really strong by 24/25 None of this really matters to contemporary politics except when daft gits ask why can't all just come together and another blames the anarchists for just not wanting to work with Leninists. Pet peeve forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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Switch to PR, and non-votes count towards electing cats. Said cats get to roam around Parliament and they count as voting against in all votes. Without a sufficient coalition being formed, one of the cats will be appointed PM. The Cat Rule will ensure the parties have to care about high turnout.
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forkboy84 posted:"I don't want to have this conversation" *proceeds to make a point I already debunked about the timing of Kronstadt* I wish the bolshevik revolution wasn't more or less the only history taught in schools.
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jiggerypokery posted:I wish the bolshevik revolution wasn't more or less the only history taught in schools. I didn't get to do anything on it in school which blows,but gently caress it, it'd have been garbage anyway
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a pipe smoking dog posted:If recent events have taught us anything it's that government by jury would probably be a lot better for everyone. Ironically that is sort of the system you do have. In that if people decide they just don't want to do jury duty*, the pool is made up of people who actively want to be on a jury. And, in my experience, the people who actively want to serve on a jury are the ones most likely to want to convict the accused, regardless of the merits of the case. Much like "if most people don't show up, the right wing parties voters still show up." * = not that they aren't able to do it, because there are absolutely people who have commitments or difficulties that make them unable to do jury summons. But there are people who don't feel like doing it and get out of it for that reason.
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I blew off jury duty during my PhD cause I was stressed to the balls and living off an overdraft, but I still feel kinda guilty at the possibility that some gammon took my place. Would love to lead a jury towards nullification and get some non-dangerous defendant exculpated. I'm sure there's plenty of reasons it doesn't work like that in reality but it's a nice hero fantasy
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the classic Marxist argument against anarchism is 1848, isn't it, and the Marxist-Leninist argument against anarchism is 1968, in Paris and Prague both
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I've just read something that made me realise that Gordon Brown is probably the best PM this country has had in my lifetime, and now I want to walk into the sea with no clothes on and then just keep walking...
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lol, lmao https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1483469727511064582?s=20
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Pablo Bluth posted:Switch to PR, and non-votes count towards electing cats. Said cats get to roam around Parliament and they count as voting against in all votes. Without a sufficient coalition being formed, one of the cats will be appointed PM. I have never wanted to be a politician more
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https://twitter.com/mish_rahman/status/1483489487959302145 150,000 gone since the advent of Kieth
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sebzilla posted:https://twitter.com/mish_rahman/status/1483489487959302145 And they've gone up to 10 pts ahead
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forkboy84 posted:
No, it still doesn't matter then.
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Prole posted:I've just read something that made me realise that Gordon Brown is probably the best PM this country has had in my lifetime, and now I want to walk into the sea with no clothes on and then just keep walking... he was and I voted lib dem to my eternal shame 
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jiggerypokery posted:he was and I voted lib dem to my eternal shame So did I. Student, init. Radicalising moment for me, that election.
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Very glad I did not have a lib dem phase. Have instead had a mild goth phase which has been ongoing for about 15 years, which is much less cringey.
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I remember being a teenager and CLAIGMANIA gripping the youth. The Lib Dems being irrelevant is good, but the fact they've recovered at all since then breaks my heart.
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OwlFancier posted:Very glad I did not have a lib dem phase. Have instead had a mild goth phase which has been ongoing for about 15 years, which is much less cringey. It wasn't a Lib Dem phase really. Just a "they're scrapping tuition fees" moment of gullibility. I've just about forgiven myself for it.
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IIRC they were also anti-prohibition and pro-electoral reform which was the main thing i was voting for. Honestly the AV thing was more of a betrayal for me than the tuition fees, which i don't think was the worst policy ever in it's original form.
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Not so much anti-prohibition as that Alan Johnson shat his pants in public to appeal to the Sun and even Cameron was talking about hugging of hoodies to seem less fash by comparison. Good to see that startmer has learned from this.
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The rats are in the bag https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1483492272985542661
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