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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
You'd think with a county it'd be a 457b but maybe they were really lazy and are just taking advantage of the IRA pipeline encouraged for small business who don't run benefit plans.

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Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

Every job I've worked that had a 401k retirement savings system also had an Roth IRA you could use instead or together?

titty_baby_
Nov 11, 2015

Checkd an yeah its the 457b

Wendigee posted:

Every job I've worked that had a 401k retirement savings system also had an Roth IRA you could use instead or together?

We have the california public retirement pension thing and then they offer IRAs on top of it.


To put my county into perspective, our payroll/ accounting system has been an ongoing source of drama for the past few years. We were behind on some sort of state reporting before, a new auditor controller came in, things got more behind, payroll got moved around 2 or 3 different departments, including an outside consultant, and now we're so far behind that programs depending on grants disbursed from the county are barely hanging on, and our payroll was so messed up we got paid late a few pay periods ago. Multiple employees identities were stolen in some sort of phishing scam and they had their direct deposits rerouted to the wrong accounts. One of my coworkers (who was extra help and was just laid off) had her past 3 paychecks late/screwed up.

Aside from this fuckery its still better then my last job, where I worked for a different local govt that was somehow even more fucky

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Wendigee posted:

Every job I've worked that had a 401k retirement savings system also had an Roth IRA you could use instead or together?

A Roth IRA is also individual retirement account (that's what it stands for) not tied to an employer.

Some employers that offer a (traditional) 401(k) plan may also offer Roth 401(k) contributions as part of that plan. It's becoming more common. But it is the same account and it's a 401(k), not any kind of IRA.

Critical
Aug 23, 2007

lmao our in house lawyer spent so much time being a big shot and slow walking a contract he pissed off a subcontractor, causing them to pull out out of a job and the job to crumble, and now the president of the company is involved and high octane pissed.

hope it was worth the power trip dipshit

Lord Decimus Barnacle
Jun 25, 2005


Hell Gem

Motronic posted:

A Roth IRA is also individual retirement account (that's what it stands for) not tied to an employer.

Some employers that offer a (traditional) 401(k) plan may also offer Roth 401(k) contributions as part of that plan. It's becoming more common. But it is the same account and it's a 401(k), not any kind of IRA.

My work offers a 401k, a 457b, an IRA, and a Roth IRA all within their retirement system and you can pick and choose which you want to invest your money in.
They don’t offer a Roth 401k which I wish they did because all my money would go into it.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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bigfatdynamo posted:

My classroom, situated in the centre of loving Australian outback hell, was not air conditioned for 18 months. It would regularly reach 40c/104f indoors, which is not conducive for learning. In winter last year, it was finally repaired.
I have just been moved to a new position and I was really excited to have a new office. The office's air conditioning? Broken. Administration block has never once gone without the crispiest, best air-con I have ever experienced. I am perpetually mad about it. My boss' solution? Buy a pedestal fan and stop complaining.

Sabotage admin's air-con, obviously. They'll need to bring in a technician to fix it and they can do yours at the same time. If they don't it might immediately get broken again.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Lord Decimus Barnacle posted:

My work offers a 401k, a 457b, an IRA, and a Roth IRA all within their retirement system and you can pick and choose which you want to invest your money in.
They don’t offer a Roth 401k which I wish they did because all my money would go into it.

If you're talking a SIMPLE IRA that's a different thing. If you're talking a regular trad IRA or roth IRA you really shouldn't use whatever schmuck from Edward Jones talked them into this and instead open your own completely independently from work, because these are not employer sponsored plans.

Lord Decimus Barnacle
Jun 25, 2005


Hell Gem

Motronic posted:

If you're talking a SIMPLE IRA that's a different thing. If you're talking a regular trad IRA or roth IRA you really shouldn't use whatever schmuck from Edward Jones talked them into this and instead open your own completely independently from work, because these are not employer sponsored plans.

Why not? They allow you to invest in whatever you want in them.
Or if you are risk averse you can just choose the bundled small cap/large cap/retirement dates/common 401k options.

Edit: I have to point out that these are actually traditional and Roth IRAs. Not simple IRAs.

Lord Decimus Barnacle fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jan 20, 2022

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Lord Decimus Barnacle posted:

Why not? They allow you to invest in whatever you want in them.
Or if you are risk averse you can just choose the bundled small cap/large cap/retirement dates/common 401k options.

Edit: I have to point out that these are actually traditional and Roth IRAs. Not simple IRAs.

Yes, I'm sure they "allow" you to invest in anything you want at a much shittier than Vanguard or Fidelity personal account rate. This is how these grifters make their money.

Lord Decimus Barnacle
Jun 25, 2005


Hell Gem
Lol ok

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Zil posted:

I actually have experience in this area and we ended up settling out of court. Turns out its bad to terminate someone on FMLA when they are in a mental hospital!
I would love to respond to this great anecdote with one of my own, but I would be wise to first run it by my legal counsel.

I have a lawyer now and I am armed with either a) a good case that I won't be able to talk about much or b) another, more sophisticated line of B.S. that I will be able to talk about in detail but will most likely not want to! It's a brave new world. One way or another I am signed up to fight back and the ball starts rolling quite soon. In fact, ASAP, since I currently have no where else to be.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Dr. Faustus posted:

I would love to respond to this great anecdote with one of my own, but I would be wise to first run it by my legal counsel.

I have a lawyer now and I am armed with either a) a good case that I won't be able to talk about much or b) another, more sophisticated line of B.S. that I will be able to talk about in detail but will most likely not want to! It's a brave new world. One way or another I am signed up to fight back and the ball starts rolling quite soon. In fact, ASAP, since I currently have no where else to be.

Yeah when it comes to getting results you really can't beat Mephistopheles Esq.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


Motronic posted:

If you're talking a SIMPLE IRA that's a different thing. If you're talking a regular trad IRA or roth IRA you really shouldn't use whatever schmuck from Edward Jones talked them into this and instead open your own completely independently from work, because these are not employer sponsored plans.

This is a very confusing conversation for a non-American, every time I skim the thread I am expecting to see stuff about the provos

Slayerjerman
Nov 27, 2005

by sebmojo
Here's another set that if I hadn't experienced it in person I would swear sounds like an office urban legend...

Started a SDET role at Xbox back in 2003, day one the lead took our team of 4 new hires into an unlocked office two doors down the hall from our assigned office/closet.

Upon opening the door was an absolute mountain of scrapped office PCs, classic beige cases and assorted components all over the floor.

Lead points to the scrap heap and says we need to assemble PCs for each of us to use. Followed by handing us a sticky note and his login for the network to grab installs of windows. He then leaves for meetings and we didn't see or hear from him for like a day and a half...

I ended up being the only person able to cobble together 4 functioning PCs. Which took drat near two days trying to find parts that would work from this scrap heap. It was like some sort of trial by fire maybe.

I would never have thought this would be something to happen at Microsoft... It still boggles my mind.
...


Many years and jobs later, I took a new gig as a producer at a smallish 60 person games studio. The monitor I was given was like some 17" LCD from the dollar store and was locked to 1024x768... I thought it was a prank or joke since I was the new guy...

Nope, looked around and all 30 developers on my floor had the same ones. Boss thought the bare minimum displays were adequate for software developers, including artists. I raised so much hell about this and the bullshit restriction about two monitors.

I took every opportunity to mention this with clients, our publishers, contractors, vendors and so on until eventually the penny pinching stopped making it difficult to do our jobs, and complete work on time.

Came in one day to two pallets of 21" 1080p Dell displays with a scrawled note from the boss..."shut up about it already." :hfive:

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

Tunicate posted:

Yeah when it comes to getting results you really can't beat Mephistopheles Esq.
This guy gets it.

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Tunicate posted:

Yeah when it comes to getting results you really can't beat Mephistopheles Esq.

You really want Mary Esq. The Bishop who is the basis for all of the deal with the devil stuff came to regret his bargain as per the legend. And he plead for her to intercede. Which she did, and she got that contract broken.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




My company will occasionally acquire smaller companies in the same industry, typically 2 to 20 people in size. We knew the latest acquisition (2 so far, maybe 5 people tops) was coming and they would be onboarded on 1/31.

Today, on a Friday at 4:30 p.m. HR sends in a helpdesk ticket saying they are now starting this Monday, 1/24. I reply in the ticket that it's rather short notice, but I can at least create their accounts since that can be done in a few minutes. Laptops and other equipment will have to wait until next week though.

On top of that, the server that houses the tool I use to create accounts (ManageEngine) is down :cripes:

gwarm01
Apr 27, 2010

I would have just called it a day and responded on Monday.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
Dumb poo poo your legal system does - preventing at-will employees from taking a new job

Appleton Post-Crescent posted:


ThedaCare requested Thursday that an Outagamie County judge temporarily block seven of its employees who had applied for and accepted jobs at Ascension from beginning work there on Monday until the health system could find replacements for them.

The employees were part of an 11-member interventional radiology and cardiovascular team, which can perform procedures to stop bleeding in targeted areas during a traumatic injury or restore blood flow to the brain in the case of a stroke. Each of them were employed at-will, meaning they were not under an obligation to stay at ThedaCare for a certain amount of time.

Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis granted ThedaCare’s request and held an initial hearing Friday morning. The case will get a longer hearing at 10 a.m. Monday.

McGinnis told lawyers for both health systems they should try to work out a temporary agreement by the end of the day Friday about the employees' status until Monday's hearing.

Otherwise, he said, the order prohibiting them from going to work at Ascension would be final until a further ruling was made. That means the seven health care workers would not be working at either hospital on Monday.


More context at the link.

ZionestLord
Jan 9, 2010

private healthcare system good until its bad says company who wont pay its doctors

Chaotic Flame
Jun 1, 2009

So...


I haven't clicked yet but... how is this a question if it's at-will :psyduck:

edit: now that I've read it, I'm even more confused. If no agreement was made yesterday, they're still not working at the original employer and even if they were, couldn't the employees just...not show up? Nothing about this makes sense

Chaotic Flame fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 22, 2022

Flyball
Apr 17, 2003

Chaotic Flame posted:

I haven't clicked yet but... how is this a question if it's at-will :psyduck:

The will of employees doesn't actually count within such an arrangement.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Chaotic Flame posted:

I haven't clicked yet but... how is this a question if it's at-will :psyduck:

edit: now that I've read it, I'm even more confused. If no agreement was made yesterday, they're still not working at the original employer and even if they were, couldn't the employees just...not show up? Nothing about this makes sense

It’s literally one hospital yelling “if we can’t have them, you can’t have them either” and a judge agreeing and deciding to stick a bunch of healthcare workers in limbo while these companies fight.

In practice, it means that if the employees want to get paid, the judge is effectively forcing them to work at their old employer until it’s all sorted out (unless, I suppose, the new employer is willing to pay them for no work?).

The argument, however comically tenuous it is, is that the better-paying hospital “poached” the employees, and that the worse-paying hospital needs them more anyway due to the urgency of care they target.

Normal human beings recognize that argument as, colloquially, “bullshit,” but clearly Judge Mark McGinnis is no normal human being.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Employees are equipment not consumers.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

They should just show up at the old hospital, clock in, then get comfy in the break room and not do poo poo.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



I suspect Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis might be a chud rear end in a top hat.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I suspect Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis might be a chud rear end in a top hat.

He's apparently a giant piece of poo poo:

https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2018/12/20/reviewer-recommends-removing-judge-mark-mcginnis-truancy-court/2369276002/

TL;DR: He was booted from truancy court because he was so verbally abusive to the children there.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Crackbone posted:

He's apparently a giant piece of poo poo:

https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2018/12/20/reviewer-recommends-removing-judge-mark-mcginnis-truancy-court/2369276002/

TL;DR: He was booted from truancy court because he was so verbally abusive to the children there.

Certainly the same guy:

Appleton Post-Crescent posted:

AASD alumna Chavez Davis was one of two students to address the board about her family's experience with truancy court. She said her brother and sister both went through McGinnis' truancy court. She said her brother was put on GPS monitoring and her sister taken to shelter care on a Friday without any communication to the family until Monday.

Esran
Apr 28, 2008
The old employer isn't just asking for a few days of extra notice (which they aren't entitled to either), they're asking for the employees to be blocked from working at the new place "until the health system could find replacements for them", i.e. indefinitely.

The American legal system is a silly place, but you would think the judge would have to point to some kind of law or rule he thinks is being violated in order to keep serfs tied to their lord in this way?

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Flyball posted:

The will of employees doesn't actually count within such an arrangement.

I'm sure if someone tried to force the judge to work for someone he didn't want to he'd be fighting tooth and nail.

E:


quote:

In the complaint, ThedaCare attorneys wrote that the organization found out Dec. 21 that four interventional radiology technicians had accepted offers with Ascension, and learned Dec. 29 that two nurses planned to make the same move. On Jan. 7, they learned one additional nurse planned to quit and work at Ascension. 

One of his colleagues received an offer from Ascension that was attractive "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance," which caused others on his team to apply, Breister wrote.

After approaching ThedaCare with the chance to match the offers they'd been given, Breister wrote that they were told "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," and no counter-offer would be made. 

Lmao, they actually tried to negotiate back in December. The hospital told them to gently caress off, didn't do anything to retain or try to recruit replacements instead opting to force citizen employees to work. Feels like this is the bit where employers wander up to the 'actual slavery' line and give it a nudge.

I hope ThedaCare and the judge get reamed through the courts, but this is hellworld so who knows.

*Que hospitals contracting roving bands of 'health professional recruitment specialists' armed with nets and tranquilizer guns*

Outrail fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jan 23, 2022

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Esran posted:

The old employer isn't just asking for a few days of extra notice (which they aren't entitled to either), they're asking for the employees to be blocked from working at the new place "until the health system could find replacements for them", i.e. indefinitely.

The American legal system is a silly place, but you would think the judge would have to point to some kind of law or rule he thinks is being violated in order to keep serfs tied to their lord in this way?

I have no idea, but maybe he is looking to flame out in a spectacular manner so he can get removed as a judge and switch over to MAGA-style politics.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I have no idea, but maybe he is looking to flame out in a spectacular manner so he can get removed as a judge and switch over to MAGA-style politics.

there is currently a supreme court judge who ruled that companies can fire you for not giving your life to protect their property.

Wendigee
Jul 19, 2004

punishedkissinger posted:

there is currently a supreme court judge who ruled that companies can fire you for not giving your life to protect their property.

lol im going to be okay taking that firing and looking for a lawyer to file a civil suit against them

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

good luck with that

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/opinions/judge-gorsuch-the-frozen-truck-driver-opinion-callan/index.html

Lazyfire
Feb 4, 2006

God saves. Satan Invests

Cthulu Carl posted:

They should just show up at the old hospital, clock in, then get comfy in the break room and not do poo poo.

Yeah, I don't see why you just don't go to the old job. Sort of like why I don't see why OSHA doesn't keep a vaccine mandate in place because the Supreme Court has exactly zero means of enforcement. Literally nothing the legal system can do to you.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
I didn't expect the US to convert to a feudal system until a few years *after* the Mad Max phase, but shows what I know.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Atopian posted:

I didn't expect the US to convert to a feudal system until a few years *after* the Mad Max phase, but shows what I know.

Without Master, there is no Blaster.

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COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Financial post ran a column today advising employers to sue their employees for the cost of recruiting+ lost sales lol

In actual Canadiam law this would only apply to something like a lawyer rage-quitting 5 minutes before the trial starts, or a CEO going AWOL the day after exercising his stock options.

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