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goethe.cx posted:I posted that the issue had been fixed, yet people have ignored my post to complain about dems and landlords or whatever
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goethe.cx posted:Due to the unvaccinated overflowing hospitals, yes there are five times more fully vaccinated hospitalised with COVID than unvaccinated in NSW. twice more fully vaccinated than unvaccinated in the ICU. three times more deaths. their hospitals are at the breaking point, even though they have a 93% fully vaccinated rate. the sheer infectiousness and partial vaccine avoidance overwhelms us at a macro level without NPIs. https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220113.pdf
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Also, I'm hearing bad news from the Israeli 4th jab trials, and they're the ones I pay really close attention to, given how important keeping their colonist population intact is to them, strategically. Anyone know where I can get some scientific papers on that?
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Jan 19, 2022 03:37
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crepeface posted:there are five times more fully vaccinated hospitalised with COVID than unvaccinated in NSW. twice more fully vaccinated than unvaccinated in the ICU. three times more deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy Having three times more fully vaccinated deaths with a 93% vaccination rate implies 80% vaccine effectiveness (and this number is a large underestimate, because the unvaccinated group is mostly 0-11 years old and the report includes no deaths in that group).
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jesus loving christ read what i posted
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Jan 19, 2022 04:17
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the post that i'm addressing is claiming that hospitals are being clogged up by the unvaccinated. the point is that even though vaccination massively reduces your chances of infection, hospitalisation and death, hospitals are at the breaking point, even with a 93% double vaccinated rate. idk how i can make this more clear.
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Jan 19, 2022 04:25
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crepeface posted:the post that i'm addressing is claiming that hospitals are being clogged up by the unvaccinated. If your post is about hospitals being overwhelmed, why did you only post statistics about the percentage of severe covid cases that are in vaccinated people and none that have anything to do with hospitals being overwhelmed edit: also as far as I know the pressure on hospitals right now is not mostly about the number of people hospitalized with severe covid. Which sort of dilutes the point in the next paragraph, but then I wasn't the one who posted "most covid deaths are fully vaccinated!!" Anyway, vaccinating the ~2% of people that are unvaccinated and over 11 would remove ~1/3 of covid ICU occupancy. That sounds like it might change how overwhelmed the hospitals are. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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James Garfield posted:If your post is about hospitals being overwhelmed, why did you only post statistics about the percentage of severe covid cases that are in vaccinated people and none that have anything to do with hospitals being overwhelmed do you think having a large number of people in hospitals would contribute to hospitals overwhelmed quote:Anyway, vaccinating the ~2% of people that are unvaccinated and over 11 would remove ~1/3 of covid ICU occupancy. That sounds like it might change how overwhelmed the hospitals are. you know you can click back through and see the posts being responded to, right? goethe.cx posted:They are but they’re not the bulk of people clogging hospitals
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The proportion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people in ICUs is gonna depend on your local vaccination rates. So while it may be unvaxxed people mostly clogging ICUs in much of the US where vaxx rates are low, that may not be true in Australia. Also IIRC the US has higher ICU beds per capita. So both can be true. Though it would be helpful for the posters talking about American ICUs being clogged with unvaxxed people to provide some actual statistics as crepeface did. edit: just grabbing the wiki page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds the US has 29.40 and Australia has 9.10 ICU/CCB beds per 100,000 there's probably a better resource than that, I've seen some graphics of ICU beds by nation. But it's relevant if comparing ICU occupancy. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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Personal experience but the icus in my area are all unvaxxed or immunocompromised. 99% unvaxxed. All there for weeks at a time or just about.
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James Garfield posted:If your post is about hospitals being overwhelmed, why did you only post statistics about the percentage of severe covid cases that are in vaccinated people and none that have anything to do with hospitals being overwhelmed crepeface is clearly talking about omicron as a public health crisis, not on an individual outcome basis. it doesnt matter if the vaccine is 98% effective if the end result still leads to the collapse of our hospital system
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Jan 19, 2022 04:54
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Also this includes that from someone I know Cleveland clinic was calling hospitals in Rhode island for ICU beds. Cleveland clinic has in it's massive system, which owns some of the hospitals in Cuyahoga, Ashtabula, Akron area, and Youngstown, they ended up calling hospitals all the way out in Rhode island to take find beds.
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A big flaming stink posted:crepeface is clearly talking about omicron as a public health crisis, not on an individual outcome basis. While it may be saturating the hospitals, Delta strain is still the primary strain killing people in ICU from my understanding. Much of omicron patients that are saturating the ERs are bullshit I just want to be tested or make sure that don't need to be there, or sent by lovely testy places because YOU TESTED POSTIVIE YOUR GONNA DIE GO TO THE ER NOW!!!!! Some of the worst part is the sheer misinformation that is being used to make people absolutely panic then run to the er where things just are broken right now.
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Jan 19, 2022 04:58
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Those don’t become hospital admissions unless you’re severely loving up your reporting…
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In Florida news: https://www.wmfe.org/pino-put-on-leave-for-encouraging-orange-county-department-of-health-employees-to-get-vaccinated/195298
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Jan 19, 2022 05:23
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It comes down to the same old mathematical truths: yes, vaccines are still extremely loving good overall, but when you're dealing with a virulent and highly infectious disease, sometimes that ain't enough. With Omicron being somewhat less likely to cause severe outcomes, and the fact that I'm vaccinated and boosted, I feel quite safe on a personal level should I get infected (which I am continuing to take strong precautions against). I would roll that dice for myself. But I'm not just rolling that dice for myself, I'm living in a society where there are people more vulnerable than me, and in a society with -- to be honest -- a huge loving population that can make even a tiny rate of severe illness a big deal, and I'm living in a society where hospitals exist to treat things other than COVID as well, and are staffed by humans who can fall ill and not be available even if they don't die from an infection. We need to hold two conflicting views in our head: that the vaccines are very good, and that the vaccines aren't good enough on their own. All policy must be made in consideration of both parts.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:While it may be saturating the hospitals, Delta strain is still the primary strain killing people in ICU from my understanding. Much of omicron patients that are saturating the ERs are bullshit I just want to be tested or make sure that don't need to be there, or sent by lovely testy places because YOU TESTED POSTIVIE YOUR GONNA DIE GO TO THE ER NOW!!!!! Some of the worst part is the sheer misinformation that is being used to make people absolutely panic then run to the er where things just are broken right now. The stats for NSW are November 25 to January 1 when the ICUs, at least, were still predominantly Delta. https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...7dbf0318987a778 I don't how much being Omicron would change the ratios of vaxxed to unvaxxed but it would be interesting to see, given there are now three times as many people in hospital as there were on January 1. Unfortunately no Australian states give regular updates on patients' vax status.
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The rates of severe illness among the vaccinated, in places which are reporting that data, are really encouraging. This holds across all risk groups, even if some groups still have an unfortunately high risk. It's a risk reduction of at least an order of magnitude, possibly more. It's probably better than seatbelts in terms of how much less likely you are to die. That being said... just because seatbelts are great, doesn't mean we should get rid of traffic laws, and just because the vaccines are great, doesn't mean we should stop trying to control the spread of this still-quite-lovely virus. I feel that there's just a lack of nuance in all these policy choices.
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Fritz the Horse posted:The proportion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people in ICUs is gonna depend on your local vaccination rates. So while it may be unvaxxed people mostly clogging ICUs in much of the US where vaxx rates are low, that may not be true in Australia. Also IIRC the US has higher ICU beds per capita. Yeah, my point about hospitals being overwhelmed despite vaccinations being so high is to try and puncture the notion that the sole problem is low vaccination rate. I see a lot of posts who hammer the "we need more vaccinations" or "it's a pandemic of the vaccinated" points while our national 95% vaccination rate is barely stemming the tide. Edit: forgot to say, circumstances will be different everywhere, of course. Hospital capacity, age demographics, previous waves, etc. quote:edit: just grabbing the wiki page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds I think US is way up there due to less preventative care so ICU capacity has to go up to compensate. I could be way off though. UCS Hellmaker posted:While it may be saturating the hospitals, Delta strain is still the primary strain killing people in ICU from my understanding. Much of omicron patients that are saturating the ERs are bullshit I just want to be tested or make sure that don't need to be there, or sent by lovely testy places because YOU TESTED POSTIVIE YOUR GONNA DIE GO TO THE ER NOW!!!!! Some of the worst part is the sheer misinformation that is being used to make people absolutely panic then run to the er where things just are broken right now. From the same report: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20220113.pdf You're right that Delta is the primarily responsible for the severe outcomes. NSW's breakdown is 50-50, but Delta's responsible for six times many hospitalisations. I don't get what your conclusion is though. Whatever the virus breakdown, our hospitals are still hosed right now. Victoria called a Code Brown yesterday. FYI, about a month ago, media were reporting that Omicron had likely overtaken Delta but now the report is saying it's probably 50-50 so it doesn't seem like Omicron is outcompeting Delta nearly fast enough. The media messaging I've seen is the opposite to what you've seen. Obviously we're in different places, but even in the US, the messaging still seems to be "it's a mild flu, get back to work." You got something to back your claim that most of Omicron patients in the ER don't need to be there? I can't imagine the admitting nurse just waving people through to an extremely stressed COVID ward and I think it's more likely that people don't go into hospital unless they have to if not for fear of catching COVID in the waiting room then just because it's a costly hassle. crepeface fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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The USPS test ordering page has been throwing a text uid error code for the last 5 hours. Very good.
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droll posted:The USPS test ordering page has been throwing a text uid error code for the last 5 hours. Very good. The fact that people will be taking these using them and then selling negative tests is purely American
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Jan 19, 2022 06:38
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The fact that people will be taking these using them and then selling negative tests is purely American How do you know this fact?
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Unless you make the tests supervised people will either doctor them to be negative or positive as suits them best. To my mind, it's just about peace of mind, not reliable evidence of fuckall. I'm lucky, two weeks ago I was coughing and I did a rapid test that popped negative, and I told my work that I wasn't coming in anyway and they said "hey, cool, that's a good choice. Do you need anything?" That's the standard we should have. If they were assholes about it, I would've photoshopped a positive line on the test, and if it had been positive but I needed the money real bad, I'd send them a stock photo of a negative test. It's not reliable if you can't trust the people taking the test and reporting it, and you can't trust the people taking the test if you give them motivation to lie. PT6A fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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droll posted:The USPS test ordering page has been throwing a text uid error code for the last 5 hours. Very good. This is a vicious lie, it worked for me.
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Yeah the site worked for me smoothly about 20 minutes ago.
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Ha yep they're doing weird poo poo with non US IPs and I'd left my VPN connected.
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So here's a new level of  for the pandemic, hot on the heels of the discussion of exterminating deer.Recently here in Hong Kong there was an inexplicable case of a few people testing positive for Delta. There hadn't been any local cases of Delta for months, though Omicron has been slipping through a bit. One of the people worked at a pet shop, and the others (a family) had visited the pet shop for 10 minutes. Authorities quickly blamed it on... hamsters. Now they're requiring pet owners and pet shops to turn in ~2,000 hamsters for destruction which had been imported from the Netherlands about a month ago. "The owners say they were asked to sign a document forfeiting their right to compensation and pledging not to inquire after the hamsters again." https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong...pgtype=homepage I haven't seen anything stating that the hamsters have been tested, or that there's much behind this decision other than snuffing out any possibility that it was caused by untraced community spread or other ordinary explanations. It's starting to feel like every untraceable local case is attributed to some world's-first anomaly, like a world record incubation period or someone in the quarantine camp farting in a keyhole and the virus doing a Matrix run into someone else's room down the hall. Meanwhile the rich and powerful get their own set of rules. Some senior government officials had an outbreak at a birthday party that exceeded event limits, didn't scan in using the legally required app, and then only had to spend a few days in quarantine (some less than a day).
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I'm a frozen lobster/trashcan lid truther
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https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1483831305448173578 federal government giving away n95 masks for free at pharmacies and health centers
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The person who sits in the office next to mine is working from home this week because her husband has COVID. This poo poo just keeps getting closer and closer to me no matter what I do.
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Craig K posted:https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1483831305448173578 Why not just mail them with the tests people signed up for?
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Raccooon posted:Why not just mail them?
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Dick Trauma posted:The person who sits in the office next to mine is working from home this week because her husband has COVID. This poo poo just keeps getting closer and closer to me no matter what I do. Tell people you're symptomatic and work from home. Claim you can't find a test. Brush up on your resume and go find a job somewhere that actually cares about their employees its a looker's market right now.
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Oracle posted:Tell people you're symptomatic and work from home. Claim you can't find a test. Brush up on your resume and go find a job somewhere that actually cares about their employees its a looker's market right now. And miss out on this? https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1483534323382947842?s=20 quote:A man’s agonizing penis pain was blamed on COVID infection, as docs warned of the rare side effect.
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Dick Trauma posted:And miss out on this? Its a username, not a life goal man.
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Raccooon posted:Why not just mail them with the tests people signed up for? Why not just mail them to every address in America? Why not just put a box of tests on every doorstep? I don't get why they use this website step at all. A whole lot of people aren't going to use it!
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From what I've read, the masks are held at emergency-supply locations that aren't revealed bc of security reasons. Coordinating to mail them out in conjunction with the rapid tests would take longer to distribute than sending them directly to distribution points like pharmacies & community centers.
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PostNouveau posted:Why not just mail them to every address in America? The US population is 329 million or so, and a lot of them don't need free masks (and depending on composition the masks won't be effective for very long). The strategic reserve appears to have had 750 million masks at its peak; I'm not sure of the levels it's at currently since they've been distributing them on an ongoing basis through smaller programs.
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PostNouveau posted:Why not just mail them to every address in America? Then you don't have to send them to everyone. Saves money. "But won't the NPI be less effective if people who need tests didn't place orders on the website in advance" yeah but now you can blame the failure on individuals if anyone criticizes your administration, which is the only real goal. It's too bad Abrams tanks don't protect you from covid because then the government would sign a trillion dollar contract to send every American 10 of them every month. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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Discendo Vox posted:The US population is 329 million or so, and a lot of them don't need free masks (and depending on composition the masks won't be effective for very long). The strategic reserve appears to have had 750 million masks at its peak; I'm not sure of the levels it's at currently since they've been distributing them on an ongoing basis through smaller programs. Sorry, who doesn’t need free masks? Is means-testing a good use of resources in a pandemic, particularly when “means” have relatively little value when nobody can actually find the drat things to buy them themselves? Like, yes, I can get masks, because I’m an overpaid WFH goblin who obsessively follows covid threads online and literally have gotten tips from people who used to chase deals on where to find high-end graphics cards. Perhaps the government would be more capable of organizing such an effort than random internet people!
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