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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Discendo Vox posted:

The US population is 329 million or so, and a lot of them don't need free masks (and depending on composition the masks won't be effective for very long). The strategic reserve appears to have had 750 million masks at its peak; I'm not sure of the levels it's at currently since they've been distributing them on an ongoing basis through smaller programs.

Who doesn't need free masks? N95s cost me like $1 each I bet the government can get a better price. What are you trying to save here like $100 million?

Is the reserve getting low? Buy more! Use emergency powers to force manufacture them; you're the US government!

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Srice
Sep 11, 2011

PostNouveau posted:

Who doesn't need free masks? N95s cost me like $1 each I bet the government can get a better price. What are you trying to save here like $100 million?

Is the reserve getting low? Buy more! Use emergency powers to force manufacture them; you're the US government!

Heck, Biden himself said it could be done so if that doesn't happen it's definitely about not wanting to rather than being unable to:

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

PostNouveau posted:

Who doesn't need free masks? N95s cost me like $1 each I bet the government can get a better price. What are you trying to save here like $100 million?

Is the reserve getting low? Buy more! Use emergency powers to force manufacture them; you're the US government!

The American Association of Mask Manufacturers, in April 2020 (!), sent a letter to the WH saying they had a poo poo-ton and could produce a gently caress-ton more with just a little funding. Those are technical numerical terms by the way.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

rko posted:

Sorry, who doesn’t need free masks? Is means-testing a good use of resources in a pandemic, particularly when “means” have relatively little value when nobody can actually find the drat things to buy them themselves?

Like, yes, I can get masks, because I’m an overpaid WFH goblin who obsessively follows covid threads online and literally have gotten tips from people who used to chase deals on where to find high-end graphics cards. Perhaps the government would be more capable of organizing such an effort than random internet people!

PostNouveau posted:

Who doesn't need free masks? N95s cost me like $1 each I bet the government can get a better price. What are you trying to save here like $100 million?

Is the reserve getting low? Buy more! Use emergency powers to force manufacture them; you're the US government!

Srice posted:

Heck, Biden himself said it could be done so if that doesn't happen it's definitely about not wanting to rather than being unable to:



The administration did that in 2021. To the best of my knowledge, the DPA has been under continuous invocation since. It is not a magic switch that creates an infinite supply of masks. This article appears to provide a dece summary of the DPA and its use under this and the previous administration.

mdemone posted:

The American Association of Mask Manufacturers, in April 2020 (!), sent a letter to the WH saying they had a poo poo-ton and could produce a gently caress-ton more with just a little funding. Those are technical numerical terms by the way.

Can you provide a link for this? The trade group I'm aware of in the area, the AMMA, was set up in 2021 and functions to promote domestic manufacturer contracts over chinese ones, generally for non-certified products. Are you thinking of this letter? Because it's all about domestic protectionism, and, well, the whole org stinks to high heaven.

edit: at some point I should do some effortposts on industry trade groups and their playbooks.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jan 19, 2022

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Discendo Vox posted:

Can you provide a link for this? The trade group I'm aware of in the area, the AMMA, was set up in 2021 and functions to promote domestic manufacturer contracts over chinese ones, generally for non-certified products. Are you thinking of this letter? Because it's all about domestic protectionism, and, well, the whole org stinks to high heaven.

No, I'm pretty sure there was a news story maybe a couple months ago, where it was discovered that Trump's WH ignored a letter from mask manufacturers about what they could do to help. Let me try to find it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...d691_story.html

I don't think that's the story I'm thinking of, but I can't locate the more recent reporting yet.

edit: maybe I'm conflating multiple stories. Never mind, for now.

mdemone fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 19, 2022

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Denmark - 19 January 2022

Holy poo poo. Just over 40,000 cases now reported on the 17th as the data gets sorted. Hospitalizations up again, yet ICU and ventilator numbers steady.

In the last 24 hours, cases by age group:
Aldersgruppe
0-2 991
3-5 2102
6-9 5375
10-15 4245
16-19 3483
20-39 10269
40-64 8830
65-79 991
80+ 188

Daily "Last 7 days cases" split into three age brackets:
pre:
		19 Jan	18 Jan	17 Jan	15 Jan	14 Jan	13 Jan	12 Jan	11 Jan	10 Jan	07 Jan
0-19 years	43.3%	42.2%	40.9%	37.7%	36.5%	35.6%	34.2%	31.8%	30.1%	27%
20-39 years	29.2%	30.0%	31.0%	32.9%	33.8%	34.7%	36.1%	38.2%	39.1%	40%
40+ years	27.5%	27.8%	28.1%	29.4%	29.8%	29.7%	29.6%	30.0%	30.7%	33%
Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day
pre:
	Actual	Reported	New	Total
Date	Cases	Cases	Reinf.	Hosp.	Hosp.	ICU		Vent		Dead
==============================================================================================
Jan 19	   ---	38,759	2,285	248	821	50 (+1)		30 (+1)		16
Jan 18	10,034	33,493	2,002	264	810	49 (-3)		29 (-8)		14
Jan 17	40,153	28,780	1,815	203	802	52 (-7)		37 (-4)		11
Jan 16	28,152	-------	-----	---	734	59 (+0)		41 (+1)		16 
Jan 15	25,188	25,034	1,644	202	711	59 (-1)		40 (+4)		16
Jan 14	25,883	23,614	1,519	215	757	60 (-4)		36 (-2)		15
Jan 13	23,776	25,751	1,822	194	755	64 (-9)		38 (-8)		20
Jan 12	22,575	24,343	1,614	215	751	73 (+0)		46 (+0)		25
Jan 11	22,656	22,936	1,459	181	754	73 (-1)		46 (-1)		14
Jan 10	23,244	14,414	  941	156	777	74 (-3)		47 (-3)		 9 
Jan 09	16,330	19,248	1,327	126	723	77 (-1) 	50 (-2) 	14 
Jan 08	13,573	12,588	  984	161	730	78 (+0) 	52 (-1) 	28 
Jan 07	14,434	18,261	1,482	186	755	78 (-4) 	53 (+4) 	10  
Jan 06	15,417	25,995	2,027	161	756	82 (+2) 	47 (-2) 	11  
Jan 05	17,577	28,283	2,083	204	784	80 (+3) 	49 (+2) 	15
Jan 04	23,698	23,372	1,701	229	792	77 (+4) 	47 (+1) 	15
Jan 03*	25,617	 8,801	  532	169	770	73 (-3) 	46 (-4) 	 5
Jan 02  19,906 	 7,550	  404	163	709	76 (+3) 	50 (+1) 	15
Jan 01   8,631	20,885	1,049	139	647	73 (+0) 	49 (+0) 	 5
Dec 31   9,728	17,605	1,090	177	641	73 (-2) 	49 (-1) 	11
Dec 30  19,927	21,403	1,123	178	665	75 (-2) 	50 (-2) 	 9
Dec 29  17,245	23,228	1,205	173	675	77 (+6) 	52 (+2) 	16
Dec 28  21,955	13,000	  670	177	666	71 (+1) 	50 (+4) 	14
Dec 27  22,616	16,164	  639	115	608	70 (-1) 	46 (-2) 	 7
Dec 26  10,965	14,844	  644	123	579	71 (-2) 	43 (+1) 	13
Dec 25   7,853	10,027	  463	 86	522	73 (-1) 	44 (+5) 	10
Dec 24   7,054	11,229	  527	134	509	74 (+2) 	39 (+1) 	14
Dec 23  12,605	12,487	  613	158	541	72 (+6) 	38 (+1)		15
Dec 22  11,591	13,386	  531	126	524	66 (-1) 	37 (+2)		14 
Dec 21  13,011	13,558	  501	121	526	67 (+1) 	35 (+2)		17
Dec 20  13,288	10,082	  ---	 85	581	66 (+3) 	33 (-2)		 8
Dec 19  10,231 	 8,212
Dec 18  10,049 	 8,594
Dec 17  10.614	11,194
Dec 16  10,171 	 9,999
Dec 15  10,775 	 8,773	  ---	 96	508	66 (+0)		43 (-3)		 9
Dec 13  10,294 	 7,799	  ---	 61	480	64 (-1)		42 (+0)		 9
Dec 12   6,986 	 5,989	  ---	 82	468	65 (+5)		42 (+6)	 	 9
Dec 08   6,560 	 6,629	  ---	 72	461	66 (-1)		38 (-1)		 7
Dec 01   4,464 	 5,120	  ---	 88	439	35 (+1)		35 (+1)		14
Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks)
pre:
Date      		Bed Availability
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
03 January  	331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available
27 December	316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 
20 December 	317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available
13 December 	319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available
06 December 	310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here
29 November	318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available
Sourcea:
https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/
https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26
https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr
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Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jan 19, 2022

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

UCS Hellmaker posted:

While it may be saturating the hospitals, Delta strain is still the primary strain killing people in ICU from my understanding. Much of omicron patients that are saturating the ERs are bullshit I just want to be tested or make sure that don't need to be there, or sent by lovely testy places because YOU TESTED POSTIVIE YOUR GONNA DIE GO TO THE ER NOW!!!!! Some of the worst part is the sheer misinformation that is being used to make people absolutely panic then run to the er where things just are broken right now.

Okay, I thought about this more after I saw Walensky an LA County’s public health director made this claim, too, and it seems rather extraordinary. It’s now approaching three weeks since Omicron was 95% of US infections while displacing Delta, and you are claiming that this increasing diminishing number of Delta cases is causing a surge in COVID deaths to the [/i]peak[/i] of the Delta wave. And apparently it’s just coincidentally timed after massive surge in current hospitalizations and subsequent icu admissions to the highest since the pandemic started, all coming after that massive, massive omicron wave (again, displacing Delta).

Now it’s possible to finagle some scenarios where this could occur if Delta had a sudden massive increase in IFR. That could happen if say nursing homes were suddenly restricted to a massive outbreak among just the most vulnerable people while disappearing from infections in the less vulnerable, or if non-icu hospital resource depletion by omicron was suddenly causing all the hospitalized Delta cases to receive terrible care. Neither of those seem remotely likely to explain the size of the increase in deaths and icu admissions.

Neither Walensky nor the LA public health director suggest they have any data to back up this claim - Walensky just said she “suspected” it was true and the la hd said “likely”. Given Walensky’s history of stick to her desired narrative based on tenuous science (like the recent cdc study with a tiny, tiny sample size and inadequate controls) or science that doesn’t even remotely say (like the “Delta isn’t more dangerous than Alpha for kids” bs), I’m extremely hesitant to believe this without good data.

enki42
Jun 11, 2001
#ATMLIVESMATTER

Put this Nazi-lover on ignore immediately!
At least in Ontario, the ICU surge has pretty much matched the curve of Omicron delayed by a couple of weeks (obviously much lower, but with the same overall shape). It feels like it's ridiculous on it's face to claim that this is somehow a Delta ICU surge when cases have been either flat or falling and the surge just happens to have happened exactly when you'd predict it to if it was Omicron causing it.

rko
Jul 12, 2017

Discendo Vox posted:

The administration did that in 2021. To the best of my knowledge, the DPA has been under continuous invocation since. It is not a magic switch that creates an infinite supply of masks. This article appears to provide a dece summary of the DPA and its use under this and the previous administration.

I’m sorry, the answer is literally just “Do you think there’s a magic mask button, idiot”? The UK has had no problems handing out seven tests a week per person; can we get their magic test button? Or maybe some of the magic buttons that get food out to support people in quarantine in other countries?What if the Democrats used their legislative majority to pass a new version of the DPA, perhaps one geared toward responding to this crisis?

What if they had bothered doing literally any of this at any point in the last year, instead of just now, after the peak of the wave? Like, great, the DPA got invoked nearly a year ago—how does that result in the best government intervention today being a mask giveaway two weeks too late at participating CVS locations and a handful of tests per household that might get ruined in your cold mailbox?

You couldn’t design an administration that was better engineered to make people lose faith in the government’s ability to effect change. No attempts are even being made to appear to be doing something other than congressional theater (e: excepting the too-late responses rolled out at the beat of some PR crisis firm’s drum over the last week). Reagan may have tried starving the beast, but Biden has evidently discovered that forcing it to contract covid over and over until it dies of cheeselung is much more effective, and unless he lucks out and the omicron optimists are right, it sure looks terminal to me.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


rko posted:

I’m sorry, the answer is literally just “Do you think there’s a magic mask button, idiot”? The UK has had no problems handing out seven tests a week per person; can we get their magic test button?

I have some bad news for you about this


Thanks for continuing to post this, it's super interesting

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Stickman posted:

Okay, I thought about this more after I saw Walensky an LA County’s public health director made this claim, too, and it seems rather extraordinary. It’s now approaching three weeks since Omicron was 95% of US infections while displacing Delta, and you are claiming that this increasing diminishing number of Delta cases is causing a surge in COVID deaths to the [/i]peak[/i] of the Delta wave. And apparently it’s just coincidentally timed after massive surge in current hospitalizations and subsequent icu admissions to the highest since the pandemic started, all coming after that massive, massive omicron wave (again, displacing Delta).

Now it’s possible to finagle some scenarios where this could occur if Delta had a sudden massive increase in IFR. That could happen if say nursing homes were suddenly restricted to a massive outbreak among just the most vulnerable people while disappearing from infections in the less vulnerable, or if non-icu hospital resource depletion by omicron was suddenly causing all the hospitalized Delta cases to receive terrible care. Neither of those seem remotely likely to explain the size of the increase in deaths and icu admissions.

Neither Walensky nor the LA public health director suggest they have any data to back up this claim - Walensky just said she “suspected” it was true and the la hd said “likely”. Given Walensky’s history of stick to her desired narrative based on tenuous science (like the recent cdc study with a tiny, tiny sample size and inadequate controls) or science that doesn’t even remotely say (like the “Delta isn’t more dangerous than Alpha for kids” bs), I’m extremely hesitant to believe this without good data.

There is one alternative, but sort of unlikely explanation for that. Maybe most of the people in the ICU do have Delta, but since Omicron is basically omnipresent by now, they also have that one, making their delta worse. If Omicron had no effect whatsoever except making simultaneous delta worse that would match those case lines. But I'd imagine hospital tests can differentiate between delta and delta + omicron.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Alctel posted:

I have some bad news for you about this

Thanks for continuing to post this, it's super interesting

I'm getting less and less happy about that loving caseload. I see no reason for the curve to bend down until it's had its way with the entire population.

I mean we're way down on ICU bed use but at some point we run out if regular beds. And I dunno how many of THOSE we have

rko
Jul 12, 2017

Alctel posted:

I have some bad news for you about this

Despite the fact that the program is ending—months from now, without anything preventing the Tories from reinstating it if necessary, presumably—the island nation that just economically cut itself off from its mainland and is led by an idiot clown monster managed to do this much for this long. Why didn’t we do that? What’s preventing us from doing more?

If it’s our stupid political system, why am I not hearing about it all of the time from the administration? Why is the message not one of constant fury directed at whomever is preventing the basic pandemic prevention techniques our peer nations are doing, instead of being told over and over again that we should voluntarily mask and vaccinate ourselves on our way to getting back to work?

It really honestly does baffle me. I don’t understand how the country muddles on like this, and how we just all keep shambling forward as thousands of people needlessly die every day. It can’t last, and yet it keeps on going. Our stupid zombie empire.

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


rko posted:

Despite the fact that the program is ending—months from now, without anything preventing the Tories from reinstating it if necessary, presumably—the island nation that just economically cut itself off from its mainland and is led by an idiot clown monster managed to do this much for this long. Why didn’t we do that? What’s preventing us from doing more?

If it’s our stupid political system, why am I not hearing about it all of the time from the administration? Why is the message not one of constant fury directed at whomever is preventing the basic pandemic prevention techniques our peer nations are doing, instead of being told over and over again that we should voluntarily mask and vaccinate ourselves on our way to getting back to work?

It really honestly does baffle me. I don’t understand how the country muddles on like this, and how we just all keep shambling forward as thousands of people needlessly die every day. It can’t last, and yet it keeps on going. Our stupid zombie empire.

Not disagreeing with you on the fact the US has a political system that (from an outsider POV) seems purposefully designed to prevent anything getting done, but there is a massive shortage of tests in the UK right now (and least where my friends and family live).

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

rko posted:

What if they had bothered doing literally any of this at any point in the last year, instead of just now, after the peak of the wave? Like, great, the DPA got invoked nearly a year ago—how does that result in the best government intervention today being a mask giveaway two weeks too late at participating CVS locations and a handful of tests per household that might get ruined in your cold mailbox?

Because the administration wanted an easy win a year ago

rko
Jul 12, 2017

Alctel posted:

Not disagreeing with you on the fact the US has a political system that (from an outsider POV) seems purposefully designed to prevent anything getting done, but there is a massive shortage of tests in the UK right now (and least where my friends and family live).

My mistake, my google to try and figure out what exactly you were getting at found the wrong thing, clearly, and I’m sorry that’s happening for you and yours now.

e: and it’s not designed to get nothing done—we dutifully paid off the military-industrial complex for another year! And congressional stock portfolios are through the roof!

rko fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jan 19, 2022

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

rko posted:

I’m sorry, the answer is literally just “Do you think there’s a magic mask button, idiot”? The UK has had no problems handing out seven tests a week per person; can we get their magic test button?

The UK has a smaller population, a larger existing test reserve, an existing national health system with near universal enrollment, is planning to switch to requiring payments in June, and is still using distribution at pharmacies (which is easier despite the existence of the NHS)

rko posted:

Or maybe some of the magic buttons that get food out to support people in quarantine in other countries?What if the Democrats used their legislative majority to pass a new version of the DPA, perhaps one geared toward responding to this crisis?

It's not clear what "new version of the DPA" could get by the courts even if it were able to get past Manchin and Sinema. It's not appropriate to assign blame to the entire party in this.

rko posted:

What if they had bothered doing literally any of this at any point in the last year, instead of just now, after the peak of the wave? Like, great, the DPA got invoked nearly a year ago—how does that result in the best government intervention today being a mask giveaway two weeks too late at participating CVS locations and a handful of tests per household that might get ruined in your cold mailbox?

They have in fact been doing mask giveaways throughout the year, at lower and more targeted scale. If they gave away two thirds of the strategic reserve earlier, it is unlikely that they would have been able to rebuild stocks during a lower prevalence period to give away 500 million now.

rko posted:

You couldn’t design an administration that was better engineered to make people lose faith in the government’s ability to effect change. No attempts are even being made to appear to be doing something other than congressional theater

You ignoring other federal public health interventions, or how the government is structured, does not obligate everyone else to do so.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

PostNouveau posted:

Why not just put a box of tests on every doorstep?

You keep asking this and everyone keeps responding to you about global supply shortages in the US, UK and Australia. Why isn't that enough of an answer for you that you need to keep repeating yourself?

PostNouveau posted:

Because the administration wanted an easy win a year ago



I mean christ, this right here completely ignores everything we knew and had data for at the time. Already we have folks demanding that vaccines be made for everyone in every clade the virus comes in while ignoring things like "expiration dates" and "manufacturing capacity". By the way, there's nothing easy about a widespread vaccination campaign.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Solkanar512 posted:

You keep asking this and everyone keeps responding to you about global supply shortages in the US, UK and Australia. Why isn't that enough of an answer for you that you need to keep repeating yourself?

I mean christ, this right here completely ignores everything we knew and had data for at the time. Already we have folks demanding that vaccines be made for everyone in every clade the virus comes in while ignoring things like "expiration dates" and "manufacturing capacity". By the way, there's nothing easy about a widespread vaccination campaign.

Oh are things going to be difficult? Will it be tough to stop this pandemic? I didn't know it might be hard, please allow me to withdraw my complaints.

emgeejay
Dec 8, 2007

Solkanar512 posted:

I mean christ, this right here completely ignores everything we knew and had data for at the time.
Yes, many people knew this was bad advice at the time.

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


Discendo Vox posted:

It's not clear what "new version of the DPA" could get by the courts even if it were able to get past Manchin and Sinema. It's not appropriate to assign blame to the entire party in this.

I think the broader point is that the American political system is antithetical to anything getting done. Why is the bottleneck Manchin and Sinema, and not any of the 50 other people in the Senate voting no out of spite? Why aren’t the Democrats constantly screaming about Republican obstructionism? If abolishing the filibuster is the only way to get anything done, why hasn’t it been abolished? It’s a foregone conclusion that nothing good will ever happen because the system is terrible and there’s no appetite to change it.

rko
Jul 12, 2017

Discendo Vox posted:

The UK has a smaller population, a larger existing test reserve, an existing national health system with near universal enrollment, is planning to switch to requiring payments in June, and is still using distribution at pharmacies (which is easier despite the existence of the NHS)

It's not clear what "new version of the DPA" could get by the courts even if it were able to get past Manchin and Sinema. It's not appropriate to assign blame to the entire party in this.

They have in fact been doing mask giveaways throughout the year, at lower and more targeted scale. If they gave away two thirds of the strategic reserve earlier, it is unlikely that they would have been able to rebuild stocks during a lower prevalence period to give away 500 million now.

I don’t see how this is supposed to quell my obvious frustration; I don’t understand how it quells yours! The government’s only excuse is two senators, whom everyone in power treats with utmost decorum as they sadly explain how little they can do? This is to say nothing of the executive’s power to set narratives (overwhelmingly focused on getting back to school/work in the face of legitimate scientific uncertainty regarding a novel disease) or staff agencies like the CDC, which has been tripping over itself week after week for months now. What’s the point of all these “targeted” interventions if the overall message is still “Schools are the safest place for kids, mask up and get back to work”?

The problems you claim are tying our hands now are problems we knew about last year. I don’t think I’m unreasonable for wanting to see the frustration I feel about this mirrored by the party and presidential administration that ostensibly seeks to represent my interests.

quote:

You ignoring other federal public health interventions, or how the government is structured, does not obligate everyone else to do so.

Nor are we obligated to ignore the mountain of corpses you’re walking past to pat Joe Biden on the back. I’m not ignorant of how the government works—I’m angry that we’re asked to accept it as an unfixable status quo instead of being called to any kind of action, any at all.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

PostNouveau posted:

Oh are things going to be difficult? Will it be tough to stop this pandemic? I didn't know it might be hard, please allow me to withdraw my complaints.

You’re adding literally nothing to the conversation but constant rants against Biden. That’s it. Hearing a poster constantly cry wolf contributes nothing and obscures legitimate criticism of what’s going on.

The sarcasm and inability to address the points people raise against you is just icing on the cake.

By the way, the number of tests available for free was just doubled to 1,000,000,000.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Solkanar512 posted:

You’re adding literally nothing to the conversation but constant rants against Biden. That’s it. Hearing a poster constantly cry wolf contributes nothing and obscures legitimate criticism of what’s going on.

The sarcasm and inability to address the points people raise against you is just icing on the cake.

By the way, the number of tests available for free was just doubled to 1,000,000,000.

All you seem to be doing is posting about posters, which I'm pretty sure is against the rules oh no I'm doing it toooooooooo

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Solkanar512 posted:

You keep asking this and everyone keeps responding to you about global supply shortages in the US, UK and Australia. Why isn't that enough of an answer for you that you need to keep repeating yourself?

I mean christ, this right here completely ignores everything we knew and had data for at the time. Already we have folks demanding that vaccines be made for everyone in every clade the virus comes in while ignoring things like "expiration dates" and "manufacturing capacity". By the way, there's nothing easy about a widespread vaccination campaign.

It's not make the drat thing, which you would get if you had read it.

It's 'have a recipe ready to go'.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

StratGoatCom posted:

It's not make the drat thing, which you would get if you had read it.

It's 'have a recipe ready to go'.

Uh, we've already sequenced these clades, that's how we know the clades exist in the first place. What is it exactly that you think is missing?

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

Our security is guaranteed by being able to melt the eyeballs of any other forum's denizens at 15 minutes notice


Solkanar512 posted:

Uh, we've already sequenced these clades, that's how we know the clades exist in the first place. What is it exactly that you think is missing?

Make a vaccine recipe specific to each of the major clades, so we don't get blindsided by a derived relative.

nomad2020
Jan 30, 2007

Solkanar512 posted:

You keep asking this and everyone keeps responding to you about global supply shortages in the US, UK and Australia. Why isn't that enough of an answer for you that you need to keep repeating yourself?

I mean christ, this right here completely ignores everything we knew and had data for at the time. Already we have folks demanding that vaccines be made for everyone in every clade the virus comes in while ignoring things like "expiration dates" and "manufacturing capacity". By the way, there's nothing easy about a widespread vaccination campaign.

In fairness, average Joe Q Poster is merely asking for what was promised of this magic MRNA thing. I doubt your average Joe Q Poster has the relevant experience to say the heads of Pfizer are moderately full of poo poo.

nomad2020 fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jan 19, 2022

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

cant cook creole bream posted:

There is one alternative, but sort of unlikely explanation for that. Maybe most of the people in the ICU do have Delta, but since Omicron is basically omnipresent by now, they also have that one, making their delta worse. If Omicron had no effect whatsoever except making simultaneous delta worse that would match those case lines. But I'd imagine hospital tests can differentiate between delta and delta + omicron.

It’s certainly a possible effect, but as you say it would have to be huge for it to be the primary driver of increasing deaths.

On testing, I not 100% certain, but I doubt that hospitals are regularly doing anything to distinguish Delta and Omicron, let alone simultaneous infections.

E: Sounds like that is the case.

Fritz the Horse
Dec 26, 2019

... of course!

Solkanar512 posted:

You’re adding literally nothing to the conversation but constant rants against Biden. That’s it. Hearing a poster constantly cry wolf contributes nothing and obscures legitimate criticism of what’s going on.

The sarcasm and inability to address the points people raise against you is just icing on the cake.

By the way, the number of tests available for free was just doubled to 1,000,000,000.

PostNouveau posted:

All you seem to be doing is posting about posters, which I'm pretty sure is against the rules oh no I'm doing it toooooooooo
See below:

Koos Group posted:

Greetings. D&D moderation is going to be moving away from moderating positions, and getting more stringent on moderating the quality of arguments. I made a few (marked) changes to the OP to show this. The top priority now is that what you post be interesting, in good faith, and not discourage discussion on some way. Here are a few things you could consequently be punished for:

  • Posting about other posters. This shifts the discussion away from the topic to another poster, which is not something with any kind of broad relevance to learn about, superstars though we may be. If you believe a poster is not acting in good faith, present the problems with their arguments in the thread, or report them, and we will take it seriously.
  • Repeating a previous claim you made that was shown to have serious issues you didn't address. This is a form of bad faith.
  • Being boring. This could include making the same claim over and over in the same way, particularly when you're the one bringing it up, or repeating a very common talking point we're all likely to have heard before. This is subjective, so it will be enforced fairly leniently.
Either address each others' points or if you believe someone is posting in bad faith or being "boring" by repeating the same thing over and over etc report them and disengage.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

rko posted:

I don’t see how this is supposed to quell my obvious frustration; I don’t understand how it quells yours!

This is a discussion forum, not a livejournal. Its purpose is to discuss things, not vent at each other.

rko posted:

The government’s only excuse is two senators, whom everyone in power treats with utmost decorum as they sadly explain how little they can do? This is to say nothing of the executive’s power to set narratives (overwhelmingly focused on getting back to school/work in the face of legitimate scientific uncertainty regarding a novel disease) or staff agencies like the CDC, which has been tripping over itself week after week for months now. What’s the point of all these “targeted” interventions if the overall message is still “Schools are the safest place for kids, mask up and get back to work”?

The problems you claim are tying our hands now are problems we knew about last year. I don’t think I’m unreasonable for wanting to see the frustration I feel about this mirrored by the party and presidential administration that ostensibly seeks to represent my interests.

The problems don't go away because we ignore them or because we rant about them. "The government" doesn't become a monolithic entity because it does not reflect your inner mental state.

rko posted:

Nor are we obligated to ignore the mountain of corpses you’re walking past to pat Joe Biden on the back. I’m not ignorant of how the government works—I’m angry that we’re asked to accept it as an unfixable status quo instead of being called to any kind of action, any at all.

I am not "patting Joe Biden on the back". I'm stating facts, which you keep skipping over. If you know how the government operates, then why are you ignoring it in your posts?

blastron posted:

I think the broader point is that the American political system is antithetical to anything getting done. Why is the bottleneck Manchin and Sinema, and not any of the 50 other people in the Senate voting no out of spite? Why aren’t the Democrats constantly screaming about Republican obstructionism? If abolishing the filibuster is the only way to get anything done, why hasn’t it been abolished? It’s a foregone conclusion that nothing good will ever happen because the system is terrible and there’s no appetite to change it.

I was responding to an accusation levelled at the Democratic party. The Democratic leadership is in fact trying to overturn or at least limit the filibuster; you may have seen recent coverage of this. The Democrats do in fact blame the Republicans, but this tends not to be mediated clearly. There's plenty of appetite to change things, but appetite doesn't translate to 50 senate votes.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

How romantic! :love:

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

crepeface posted:

How romantic! :love:

May their love weld their hearts together like the doors to the apartment complex.

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Wow, 3500 deaths today in the USA. loving insane, and right on schedule.

If this trajectory continues, I wonder if anyone who peddled "omicron is mild" will feel bad for normalizing covid infections & participating in this wave of deaths.

Probably not.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

crepeface posted:

How romantic! :love:

Honestly? Good for them! It'll always be a hell of a story to tell.

On the other subject currently under discussion: rapid tests don't work unless you have a fuckload of them. One box of tests per person or so? Useless! If you don't have supply to feel confident using them as a matter of habit, there's just no point. If you're rationing them rather than using them on a regular basis, you're going to use them when you feel ill, and the false negative rate is enough that you can't really be confident that you don't have COVID if you have COVID symptoms, so you shouldn't go anywhere anyway.

So, oh great, you're now certain you have COVID! What will you do with that information? What can you do with that information? RATs should be used to detect infection that's not obvious, and that's simply not possible unless you have enough to use them regularly.

Abner Assington
Mar 13, 2005

For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.

smoobles posted:

Wow, 3500 deaths today in the USA. loving insane, and right on schedule.

If this trajectory continues, I wonder if anyone who peddled "omicron is mild" will feel bad for normalizing covid infections & participating in this wave of deaths.

Probably not.
We're averaging way past 10k cases per day and a positivity rate of >30% here in Kentucky and I might be the only person in the commonwealth that gives a gently caress. It's sheer insanity.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug

crepeface posted:

How romantic! :love:

Is this a different case than the one where the girl was posting on social media about how the guy was boring as hell but at least left her alone? Or did the story take a complete u-turn?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

smoobles posted:

Wow, 3500 deaths today in the USA. loving insane, and right on schedule.

If this trajectory continues, I wonder if anyone who peddled "omicron is mild" will feel bad for normalizing covid infections & participating in this wave of deaths.

Probably not.

9/11 every day is loving insane again. Couple of my guys are completely out of breath The entire day at work after having covid for a week and a half. It's nuts however good things from the UK in terms of cases going back down it would seem. I say seem as it probably will just never stop in the US because of constant reinfections

killer_robot
Aug 26, 2006
Grimey Drawer

smoobles posted:

Wow, 3500 deaths today in the USA. loving insane, and right on schedule.

Where are you getting this number?
NYT says just under 2k. Which is not good, but it's not 3.5k.

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Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

killer_robot posted:

Where are you getting this number?
NYT says just under 2k. Which is not good, but it's not 3.5k.

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