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if we agree that Chaos is good can we change the subject EDIT: this is exactly how half the Primarchs fell, they just wanted Erebus to shut up
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:if we agree that Chaos is good can we change the subject If you want to talk about something else then be the change you want to see in the world and start talking about it. Posts like this dont do anything.
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Jan 20, 2022 18:25
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I started the first Twice-Dead King as my current audiobook and I'm excited. I disliked the modern take on necrons as space tomb kings but they are growing on me fast after Infinite & Divine and some of the short stories.
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Jan 20, 2022 19:27
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Severed is a fun short story that gives some fluff justification if you wanted to play you Necrons as the old mysterious space terminators
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Jan 20, 2022 20:10
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the panacea posted:So what's the consensus on why the Eldar are buddying up to the imperium and rezzed Robote? Part of it is simple self-preservation but both of them want to kill Chaos, so they're just finally teaming up on a strategic level instead of one-off tactical stuff.
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Zore posted:Yeah, the people who call themselves 'Eldar' today are descendants of a small minority of religious puritans who cut themselves off from greater society because they (correctly) felt things were getting insane and immoral. Basically the Numenorians who fled numenor before it gets sunk by Eru
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Jan 20, 2022 21:12
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bagrada posted:I started the first Twice-Dead King as my current audiobook and I'm excited.  So far, it's been really good.
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Jan 20, 2022 21:21
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Twice Dead King books are amazing and Nate's Ghazghkull book is about to drop in the regular edition and I already read the LE and am here to tell you it is also extremely good.
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Jan 20, 2022 21:38
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I finished the 2 Urdeshi books in preparation for finishing GG with Warmaster and Anarch, and I gotta echo the recent description of them. Well written bolter porn. Had some fun stuff but overall pretty skippable. I think the stuff with The Saint and the big description of the miracle was good, but I wish it had been part of a larger more cohesive & satisfying narrative in the end. Farrer did a great job describing just how inhuman space marine combat is, but theres only so much boltering of various traitors that I can stomach before I start speed reading past it all. The Chaos Marine faction in the books was also really cool, but confusing. I read Abnetts iron snakes book on release so its been awhile since I assume they were introduced and I didn't quite understand their deal. Just taking it in context most of them (the Tusks?) were just creepy fully transformed traitor marines, and then the main guy was a world eater (obv). I dunno, I could have done with some more exposition on the non-argonaur guys. Maybe they were just there to get plasma gunned in the face.
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Jan 20, 2022 22:03
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Inspector_666 posted:Part of it is simple self-preservation but both of them want to kill Chaos, so they're just finally teaming up on a strategic level instead of one-off tactical stuff. Basically it means the Night Lords hosed up again. drat it, Decimus , you had ONE job!
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Jan 20, 2022 23:07
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Improbable Lobster posted:The second wouldn't exist if not for the first Nah the apriori aim of chaos is suffering and damnation, the imperium creates suffering as a byproduct. They are both hideous but idk it’s like comparing someone throwing poo poo at you and it lands in your mouth with having every living humans poo poo magically teleported into your mouth because it makes a god laugh. You’ve still got poo poo in your mouth either way of course.
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Jan 21, 2022 00:27
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lenoon posted:Nah the apriori aim of chaos is suffering and damnation, the imperium creates suffering as a byproduct. They are both hideous but idk it’s like comparing someone throwing poo poo at you and it lands in your mouth with having every living humans poo poo magically teleported into your mouth because it makes a god laugh. You’ve still got poo poo in your mouth either way of course. I should have been clearer. Chaos would not be the threat it is if the Imperium hadn't handed it 9 space marine legions as well as countless chapters and cultists. Chaos might be making GBS threads in your mouth but the Imperium created the butts and filled them with the poo poo.
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Jan 21, 2022 00:46
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Improbable Lobster posted:I should have been clearer. Chaos would not be the threat it is if the Imperium hadn't handed it 9 space marine legions as well as countless chapters and cultists. Chaos wouldn't be as strong if the Eldar didn't murderfuck Slaanesh into existence, creating the Eye of Terror and causing the Age of Strife in the process, which in turn was the main cause in the collapse of human civilization during the Age of Technology. Without these events, the Imperium wouldn't even existed, but who cares, the universe was rigged to get hosed by chaos since the War in Heaven and it's going to keep happening as long as there are sentient beings with presence in the warp living in the universe
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Jan 21, 2022 08:14
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Improbable Lobster posted:I should have been clearer. Chaos would not be the threat it is if the Imperium hadn't handed it 9 space marine legions as well as countless chapters and cultists. Between the two of us it’s a very rear end oriented but workable metaphor
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Angry Lobster posted:Chaos wouldn't be as strong if the Eldar didn't murderfuck Slaanesh into existence, creating the Eye of Terror and causing the Age of Strife in the process, which in turn was the main cause in the collapse of human civilization during the Age of Technology. Without these events, the Imperium wouldn't even existed, but who cares, the universe was rigged to get hosed by chaos since the War in Heaven and it's going to keep happening as long as there are sentient beings with presence in the warp living in the universe That's why the Necrons and the Tyranids are the only real good factions 
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Jan 21, 2022 10:00
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So reading Myths and Revenants I do appreciate short story format a bit more. It does make it a bit easier to explore more places and characters and have less "battle-padding" that annoyed me in stuff like Covens of Blood (yeah I know its warhammer but i do not need new combat every 2 pages).
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Jan 21, 2022 10:13
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lenoon posted:Nah the apriori aim of chaos is suffering and damnation, the imperium creates suffering as a byproduct. They are both hideous but idk it’s like comparing someone throwing poo poo at you and it lands in your mouth with having every living humans poo poo magically teleported into your mouth because it makes a god laugh. You’ve still got poo poo in your mouth either way of course.
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Jan 21, 2022 11:47
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Arquinsiel posted:Chaos doesn't have an aim beyond "what he's having, except bigger, please". The Eye of Terror has been sitting around since the Eldar made it, but it wasn't interested in conquest until someone showed up wanting it and looking to make a trade. yeah the gods dont give a gently caress about the long war, they mostly care about their weird eternal grudge matches against each other. its a side interest to them.
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Jan 21, 2022 13:30
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah the gods dont give a gently caress about the long war, they mostly care about their weird eternal grudge matches against each other. its a side interest to them. They hate the Emperor though. As far as they're concerned, their game has absolutely no more room at the table.
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Jan 21, 2022 17:01
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wiegieman posted:They hate the Emperor though. As far as they're concerned, their game has absolutely no more room at the table. Yeah thats always been one of the big mysteries. Demons have this weird fear of him that really looks like it goes beyond the mere fact he can give them true deaths (because a poo poo ton of other things can and they don't react as such to those).
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Not really. They hate him because he's powerful enough to eye a seat at the table. They also hate everyone else at the table.
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Jan 21, 2022 17:59
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Maybe "true death" leads to a resurrection. Maybe they turn into something else afterwards and it's so awful it scares them all. Maybe they turn into accountants or that one guy who is really into being a janitor.
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Jan 21, 2022 18:03
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Arquinsiel posted:Not really. They hate him because he's powerful enough to eye a seat at the table. They also hate everyone else at the table. They tend to visibly recoil/flinch and scream "anathema" when he's either brought up or something that's been in close proximity to him shows up. Like I hate grapefruit but I don't walk into a grocery store and then shriek at the fruit display before shying away like a vampire facing a cross. Also, for your argument to hold water they would have to act the same way when any other chaos god is brought up, which they dont. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Telsa Cola posted:They tend to visibly recoil/flinch and scream "anathema" when he's either brought up or something that's been in close proximity to him shows up. ETA: also lots of the time they just laugh and eat whoever brought him up, maybe with a bit of mockery for trying something stupid like that 
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Also Im pretty sure the different daemons and gods react to each other very differently depending on what they're reacting to. The oppositional gods (Khorne/Slaanesh and Tzeentch/Nurgle) seem to hate each other far more than they hate the Emperor and will only ally in circumstances when they are under existential threat (like from the Emperor during the Great Crusade and Heresy) or there is a truly staggering amount to gain (13th Black Crusade and the Fall of Cadia).
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Still feels wrong to me that it's supposed to be Khorne vs. Slaanesh and Tzeentch vs Nurgle instead of K vs T and N vs S. Khorne is straightforward honorable melee combat, warrior doing a traditional honest day of Nurgle is depression and fatalism and giving in to numbness and not caring what you become, while Slaanesh is never being satisfied and chasing all sensation and becoming an impossibly perfect version of yourself. I just can't write similar oppositions for K-S and T-N that feels anywhere as convincing.
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NihilCredo posted:Still feels wrong to me that it's supposed to be Khorne vs. Slaanesh and Tzeentch vs Nurgle instead of K vs T and N vs S. T-N works since nurgle is about stagnation and rot while Tzeentch is about constant change and growth. I thinks that's pretty close to what they say in the books.
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tzeentch - change !! change into your glorious new form, then change again!! nurgle - changin' into a gross lil guy and stayin that way forever tzeentch - n-no... not like that!!
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Jan 21, 2022 19:13
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The old champion of Tzeentch that used to leave a trail of wildflowers growing out of his footsteps was a nice illustration of that.
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NihilCredo posted:Still feels wrong to me that it's supposed to be Khorne vs. Slaanesh and Tzeentch vs Nurgle instead of K vs T and N vs S. Tzeentch and Nurgle are opposed on every fundamental level. The primary one being hope vs despair. Khorne and Slaanesh are opposed because of a personal dislike. Khorne dislikes the hedonistic, and vain life style of Slaanesh, while Slaanesh views Khorne as a dull brute. Plus Khorne worship is all about Khorne and providing him with his offerings, while Slaanesh worship is all about enjoying yourself.
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Ok. Still not goint to renew and leave it another 6 months before I subscribe for 1 to catch up, but this weeks Black Legion/Necron themed Hammer and Bolter is pretty good.
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Jan 22, 2022 00:54
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The stories for Hammer and Bolter have actually been pretty good but the animation is so bad its distracting
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AnEdgelord posted:The stories for Hammer and Bolter have actually been pretty good but the animation is so bad its distracting How's the voice acting? I've noticed the animation looking fine as images, but in all the clips I've seen, the movement is so jerky. There's a middle ground between all the movement of a hand drawn cartoon from the 50s, and a flash game cutscene from 2007 and this show hasn't found it.
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a lovely king posted:How's the voice acting? I've noticed the animation looking fine as images, but in all the clips I've seen, the movement is so jerky. There's a middle ground between all the movement of a hand drawn cartoon from the 50s, and a flash game cutscene from 2007 and this show hasn't found it. voice acting seems reasonable, occasionally a particular character will have a bit of a "tinny" sound to them as if they're speaking into a cheap mic but the performances themselves have been competent if not overly impressive
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I've personally found the animation works* depending on the plot and the protagonists. So, last weeks Tyranids/Guards stuff everything felt weightless and the action wasn't great. But this weeks with (relatively) lumbering Terminators, worked pretty well. *Is passable for the story they're telling.
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The Emperor is ordered and logical boy, the optimized core of a nuclear reactor to the firestorm or meltdown of Chaos. True Death might not be a daemon's flame being snuffed out completely but unable to spark from the embers of the immaterium uncontrollably or in the esoteric nonsense they follow.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Tzeentch and Nurgle are opposed on every fundamental level. The primary one being hope vs despair. khorne is all about hatred, revulsion, aversion etc. slaanesh is about fascination, attraction, and obsession. the gods are wells of strong emotion and the emotions those two represent are opposites.
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Khorne is Nihilistic Self-Destruction Slaanesh is Narcissistic Self-Absorption
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Pretty sure Slaneesh is tits and crab claws my guy
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Miguel Prado posted:Pretty sure Slaneesh is tits and crab claws my guy Khorne is dogs, the eternal enemy of the crab
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