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Harold Fjord posted:Her resume clearly stands for itself, it doesn't matter which centrists likes her, she's bad. She can be a dirty moderate, but that article is still trash. ”Trump nominee”. Lmao.
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Jan 21, 2022 03:12
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Trump literally did nominate her. You haven't been reading the Media Analysis thread, clearly. And she's much worse than moderate, or he wouldn't have.
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Jan 21, 2022 03:15
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I'm looking for more Dems to donate money to. Here's what I've got so far via ActBlue. It ain't much but every bit helps. Run For Something, supporting local downballot candidates for things like city councils and judges, especially where there are no Dems running at all. John Fetterman for PA, because he's awesome and Dr. Oz is the loving worst. WisDems, because Ron Johnson is disgustingly evil and rescinded his promise not to run again cause his palms aren't greasy enough apparently. Who are you guys donating to?
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Jan 21, 2022 03:54
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Scam Likely posted:I'm looking for more Dems to donate money to. Here's what I've got so far via ActBlue. It ain't much but every bit helps. Username post combo.
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Jan 21, 2022 03:55
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Scam Likely posted:Who are you guys donating to? Homeless shelters and food banks
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Jan 21, 2022 04:16
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Help your food banks everyone
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Jan 21, 2022 04:18
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Scam Likely posted:I'm looking for more Dems to donate money to. Here's what I've got so far via ActBlue. It ain't much but every bit helps. Find yourself a litmus issue and donate based on that. It keeps your moral compass clear while still allowing you to file into spam every single fundraising email you get. Speaking as a stone hearted ML? Focus on local. Any efforts you make state level are probably doomed and federal level definitely doomed so try to maximize returns. I'm personally donating to personal friends and the goon fund in this historically strong economy. If the Dems want money from me they're free to figure out a way so that making it so this isn't necessary. Vahakyla posted:She can be a dirty moderate, but that article is still trash. ”Trump nominee”. Lmao. I can't say I'm a Reardon expert, was she or was she not nominated by Trump for a position?
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Jan 21, 2022 04:25
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Vahakyla posted:She can be a dirty moderate, but that article is still trash. ”Trump nominee”. Lmao. Did she help Gibson Dunn target Donziger? If so, that should be 100% disqualifying for anyone to the left of Stephen Miller.
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Jan 21, 2022 04:32
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Jaxyon posted:This presents an obvious and awful narrative that should be familiar with folks who remember Carter->Reagan I hate this, I also hate that a decent % of these people probably have social media posts where they bragged about being a spec ops level bad rear end after watching a zombie or postapocalyptic thing or some other prepper poo poo, but the moment they get the tiniest bit of a real diaster they jump to the some of the dumbest poo poo.
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Jan 21, 2022 05:16
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PhazonLink posted:I hate this, I also hate that a decent % of these people probably have social media posts where they bragged about being a spec ops level bad rear end after watching a zombie or postapocalyptic thing The transition from the chaos at the end of the Carter administration to "Morning in America" was what caused a ton of Reagan's popularity. But, with the rise of partisanship in the last 40 years, I don't think anyone could win 49 states again. And, to be fair, if you are a voter who is basing your votes explicitly on changes in your material needs, which is something people usually complain that voters ignore in favor of culture issues or partisanship, then it made perfect sense to vote against Carter and then reward Reagan with an historic landslide re-election when the economy exploded and the oil crisis, inflation, wage stagnation, and unemployment all disappeared.
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Jan 21, 2022 05:36
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Vahakyla posted:She is a Gillibrand supporter, donated money to Chris Christies run, but mostly to democrats. She was proposed by Gillibrand during Trump era. She wasn’t a Trump pick. "well technically she was a trump pick but a democrat was ok with her. i give this claim 5 pinocchios"
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Jan 21, 2022 06:03
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Velocity Raptor posted:I'm not a doctor (not even close) but the way she acts has to indicate some kind of sociopathy, right? She seems totally indifferent to everything but herself, and seemly is only there to obstruct. Sinema is fascinating because there's no proven explanation (yet) for how baffling her trajectory has been so we are free to speculate and assign whatever boring or improbable theory we prefer and no one is necessarily wrong.
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Jan 21, 2022 06:16
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No diagnosis is needed. Sinema probably figures her bullshit has gotten her this far, so why not keep at it. Manchin is the same way only his political success to date seems far less unlikely on paper.
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Jan 21, 2022 06:24
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Sinema is living proof that the Democratic Party is not really a political party anymore. a political party can punish its members for not following the party line, and the democrats have carefully removed all their tools to do that over the course of the last thirty years in the name of attracting more big finance money. for all their faults, the Republican Party has ways to discipline its members who don't play ball; piss off Mitch McConnell and your district isn't getting any more DoT funding any time soon, and there's going to be an NRA spokesperson or a Fox talking head proclaiming you a RINO if you decide to keep it up. but the democrats? their tools for discipline consist of Nancy Pelosi saying 'c'moooooon' at you until you start crying on the house floor, and Joe Biden calling you up to say 'ah, c'mon, jack, what are the odds that if you give up all your leverage for me I'm just gonna piss it away for nothing.' in a functioning political party there would be a carrot or stick that could be deployed to get her to play ball, but in the name of sensible pragmatism the party got rid of all of those back in the 90s.
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Jan 21, 2022 06:59
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:Sinema is living proof that the Democratic Party is not really a political party anymore. a political party can punish its members for not following the party line, and the democrats have carefully removed all their tools to do that over the course of the last thirty years in the name of attracting more big finance money. for all their faults, the Republican Party has ways to discipline its members who don't play ball; piss off Mitch McConnell and your district isn't getting any more DoT funding any time soon, and there's going to be an NRA spokesperson or a Fox talking head proclaiming you a RINO if you decide to keep it up. She's not motivated by the needs of her constituents. She doesn't care about good governance so what could they use against her?
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Jan 21, 2022 07:07
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Normy posted:She's not motivated by the needs of her constituents. She doesn't care about good governance so what could they use against her? The idiot optimist in me wants to believe that there has to be something and that the people who actually interact with her and work in the halls of power have some sort of insight that we'll never have as to what screw they could turn, but, yeah, I got no idea. And honestly, all indications and actions leading up to now would show that even if they did know, they're not going to do anything with that information.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:26
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the_steve posted:The idiot optimist in me wants to believe that there has to be something and that the people who actually interact with her and work in the halls of power have some sort of insight that we'll never have as to what screw they could turn, but, yeah, I got no idea. And honestly, all indications and actions leading up to now would show that even if they did know, they're not going to do anything with that information. She wants to be president and thinks the best way to get there is that Maverick it up and to get moderate support.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:28
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In the Current Events thread, we aren't taking about the revelation of the Giuliani/GOP paper trail to coordinate with the Trump Campaign and GOP officials to submit forged election files just before 1/6? https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/20/politics/trump-campaign-officials-rudy-giuliani-fake-electors/index.html
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Jan 21, 2022 07:32
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karthun posted:She wants to be president and thinks the best way to get there is that Maverick it up and to get moderate support. She's governing with the same mindset of those 'independents' a couple pages back. The thing is about modern 'swing voters' is that they're primarily people who are so stupid and/or disengaged that it's almost impossible to actually convince them of anything, let alone glean any useful information from them, because their thought processes are so shallow and arbitrary it's impossible to tell what decision they're actually going to make in any given moment, and half the time it'll be believing the last thing they were told.
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Jan 21, 2022 07:44
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VorpalBunny posted:In the Current Events thread, we aren't taking about the revelation of the Giuliani/GOP paper trail to coordinate with the Trump Campaign and GOP officials to submit forged election files just before 1/6? Doesn't make Dems look bad so hard to get attention here
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Jan 21, 2022 07:48
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VorpalBunny posted:In the Current Events thread, we aren't taking about the revelation of the Giuliani/GOP paper trail to coordinate with the Trump Campaign and GOP officials to submit forged election files just before 1/6? But I thought 1-6 was just a funny day of no consequence and that anyone claiming it was a legitimate coup attempt was just being delusional 
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Jan 21, 2022 08:10
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There’s a separate 1-6 thread, where that very topic is being discussed: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989706&pagenumber=21#lastpost
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Jan 21, 2022 09:47
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VorpalBunny posted:In the Current Events thread, we aren't taking about the revelation of the Giuliani/GOP paper trail to coordinate with the Trump Campaign and GOP officials to submit forged election files just before 1/6? I’ve been watching Rachel Maddow cover this story on and off for the last week and a half and she’s been like “Okay, this stuff is clearly co-ordinated and coming from a single source. Just who’s behind it all?” And it turns out the answer is literally just “It was Rudy.” Holy poo poo lol
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Jan 21, 2022 10:07
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HonorableTB posted:one sentence horror story: it's voting day on 2024,
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Jan 21, 2022 10:17
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https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/health/2022/01/20/thedacare-ascension-go-court-over-stroke-trauma-employee-hires/6595232001/quote:APPLETON - ThedaCare officials are asking Outagamie County judge Mark McGinnis to pause the recruitment of seven of their employees to Ascension Northeast Wisconsin, arguing the move will endanger patients in the region who need treatment for strokes and traumatic injuries. While barely news, a hospital is trying to get an injunction to stop their employees from leaving their job, to take a higher paying job elsewhere. Because in a free market, the state needs to keep your competition from bidding up prices of business expenses.
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Jan 21, 2022 10:52
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Ghost Leviathan posted:
This. People (especially in the media) think that swing voters/independents are some mythical moderate bloc wishing both parties would sit down and hold hands. Most are actually single-issue loons that are just mad the duopoly doesn't priotitize their political fetish. You'll find some smart people there who are burned out by the lack of good faith in government, yes, but for every one of those there are three dead-eyed dopes loudly wondering we didn't already nuke the whales or invade Mars or whatever.
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Jan 21, 2022 13:10
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The Arizona Democratic Party announced they will have a meeting this Saturday to vote on whether to unendorse and stop financially supporting Krystin Sinema. Sinema got less than 1% of her funding in her last election from the Arizona State Party and less than 2% from the DSCC or national party, so that wouldn't be a massive financial burden on her, but the state party unendorsing her and giving the official backing to a primary challenger might. quote:PHOENIX – ADP Chair Raquel Terán released the following statement in response to last night’s voting rights disappointment: https://azdem.org/adp-on-voting-rights-legislation/ Ruben Gallego announced that he has been approached by several sitting Senators to primary Sinema. quote:Arizona Democrat says some senators urging him to challenge Sinema with party at a 'breaking point' quote:And he said that in the last several days the courtship has only intensified. quote:It's rare for senators to back primary foes against someone from their own party, but there has been escalating tension over the role that Sinema and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin have played in holding the line against the wishes of their progressive colleagues. Gallego also said some things that sound like the script of someone who is running a primary campaign would say: quote:Sinema, who won her first term in 2018, could be vulnerable in a primary, said Gallego, who will make a decision on whether to challenge her next year. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Jan 21, 2022 14:43
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What Democrats could really use right now is more false consciousness about voters who aren't as educated, as knowledgeable & as finely tuned into politics & current events as they themselves. I'm sure it'd be a winning strategy now, as it was in 2016.
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Jan 21, 2022 14:45
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Mellow Seas posted:
No. Manchin and Sinema are Democrats. Don't like it? They can be kicked out of the party at any time.
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Jan 21, 2022 14:55
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VitalSigns posted:No. Yeah, I'm sympathetic to the idea that it's unfair to blame Democrats who are in direct opposition to Manchin and Sinema but they're Democrats and if the party can't control it's members what is the point of a political party? You can't argue vote blue no matter who during elections on the basis that any Democrat is good because they're a member of the good party but then when individual members don't follow the party it's treated as if they're totally helpless to stop them.
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Jan 21, 2022 15:00
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House Democrats are putting together a new version of BBB to meet Manchin's demands. https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1484522439396802567 - It's basically the exact things Manchin outlined earlier, which was: Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Manchin also says that the new blueprint has to ditch paid leave, childcare subsidies, an unconditional child tax credit, and the ~$7,000 per year Pell grant program that replaced the original tuition free community college program. Except that House Democrats want to keep childcare subsidies and the child tax credit unconditional. - It is still going to cost roughly $1.75 trillion, but they will be ditching most of the several dozen medium and small programs and a few of the large ones to use that money to extend the length of the remaining larger programs. - Hearing aid coverage for Medicare and expanded Medicaid for states that didn't expand under Obamacare are likely gone. - All the housing provisions are up in the air. - Manchin also wants more tax increases/revenue so the bill reduces the deficit overall and for it to "do something about inflation" - Manchin has no position on SALT, but 3 House Dems have said they are "No SALT, No Deal." But, they are also open to adding income caps to SALT in exchange for uncapping the maximum SALT deduction. - All the climate/transportation stuff is in, but the extra $4,500 bonus consumer rebate for buying an electric car from a unionized manufacturer might be gone or altered. The base $8,000 rebate is unchanged. Even though Manchin already had the two biggest climate provisions altered, it is still more evidence that we are in the weirdest timeline when the climate change stuff has survived with almost no changes by Manchin, but the child tax credit is likely gutted or gone because of Manchin. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Jan 21, 2022 15:16
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VitalSigns posted:No. When you say "kicked out of the party", what do you mean by that?
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Jan 21, 2022 15:17
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Vahakyla posted:She is a Gillibrand supporter, donated money to Chris Christies run, but mostly to democrats. She was proposed by Gillibrand during Trump era. She wasn’t a Trump pick. So does the fact that she helped put Steven Donzinger in jail mean nothing to you?
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Jan 21, 2022 15:27
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Epicurius posted:When you say "kicked out of the party", what do you mean by that? Denied the benefits of being in the party, most notably being on congressional committees
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Jan 21, 2022 15:29
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Nucleic Acids posted:So does the fact that she helped put Steven Donzinger in jail mean nothing to you? That twitter summary seems to be very misleading. She wasn't involved in arguing that case. She just worked at the same law firm that Chevron hired. https://www.law360.com/firms/gibson-dunn/attorneys/jennifer-h-rearden?&page=2&per_page=3 The lawyers from her firm that argued that case were: - Randy Mastro - Scott Edelman - Andrea Neuman https://static01.nyt.com/packages/pdf/arts/revised050chevron.pdf Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Jan 21, 2022 15:32
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I don't want to defend this Rearden woman too much, but did Rearden actually work on the case? I know she was a Gibson Dunn litigation group partner, but that's an enormous firm.
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Jan 21, 2022 15:35
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VitalSigns posted:Denied the benefits of being in the party, most notably being on congressional committees Oh, ok, so not actually kick them out of the party, just take away their rights in the caucus. They could do that. I don't think it would actually do much, but you're right.
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Jan 21, 2022 15:48
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The Intercept is mentioned as the source about Rearden in the story linked from the tweet, and this piece from several months ago is the only Intercept story that mentions Rearden. It doesn't directly link Rearden to Donziger or Chevron. Far more damning is the fact that Trump nominated her before Biden did, as well as her role in some of the other cases in which she was active. And that's leaving aside the moral issue of purchasing judicial nominations with senatorial campaign donations, which we probably shouldn't leave aside.
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Willa Rogers posted:The Intercept is mentioned as the source about Rearden in the story linked from the tweet, and this piece from several months ago is the only Intercept story that mentions Rearden. It doesn't directly link Rearden to Donziger or Chevron. She was nominated by Trump as part of a bipartisan deal to confirm Republican and Democratic Judges. Her nomination was blocked by McConnell and they never voted on her. quote:On February 12, 2020, President Donald Trump announced his intent to nominate Rearden to serve as a United States District Judge for the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. She had been strongly recommended by U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and was nominated as part of a bipartisan package of judicial nominees. I don't know anything about her really, but the Twitter headline seems to be very misleading (and actually plays down a real issue by calling her a "Republican donor" because she gave $2k to Chris Christie 10 years ago, when she raised over $30k for Gillibrand and was recommended by Gillibrand through the Blue Slip system).
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