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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Yeah, no one would ever invade through there BECAUSE of the bunkers. Has anyone been interested in invading Albania post-1945? I thought they were famous for being like, the only country in Europe that no one cared even the slightest drat about about during the Cold War.
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I thought the bunkers were mostly about making people think that there could be a bunker full of people willing to kill them wherever they were so they didn't try to overthrow Hoxha, rather than any actual concern about being invaded.
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no i'm pretty sure Albania was concretely concerned about getting invaded by Yugoslavia after the latter became antagonistic to the USSR and the former stayed in its sphere.
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Tweezer Reprise posted:no i'm pretty sure Albania was concretely concerned about getting invaded by Yugoslavia after the latter became antagonistic to the USSR and the former stayed in its sphere. there's also the whole yugoslavia having albania majority areas that sympathized more with albania than yugoslavia.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:there's also the whole yugoslavia having albania majority areas that sympathized more with albania than yugoslavia. I'm sure all that's sorted by now
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My post was a joke, but Albania has also hated and feared Greece for quite a while.
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Albania sided with the Chinese in the Sino-Soviet split following Stalin’s death but I guess Greece or Yugoslavia or Benin could have invaded anyway.
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What a time to check out this thread again. CIA and MI6 combined efforts to launch several attempts to overthrow the communist government of Albania during the 1947-1952 period, mostly using armed expats. Basically, Bay of Pigs 0.5, except continuing for half a decade and somehow even more of a failure. After it became obvious what was going on, Albania started using the same trick the Soviets used on Nazis, capturing a few agents and then sending out an "we're all fine, everything is fine, we could use more manpower, send more agents!" message and waiting for the next round, to make it easier to round them up. There was fear that NATO would eventually just go "gently caress it" and outright invade, especially once Albania's relations with the Warsaw Pact started cooling. While the bunker policy was... misguided at best, Albania had a lot of reasons to be paranoid. OK, time to check out again, I guess.
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Dad and some buddies were on a road trip through Yugoslavia back in August 1968. They tried to get into Albania as well but were almost gunned down at the border crossing. Instead they had dinner at some tavern in the no mans land inbetween - got food poisoning at least. No bunker stories. Anyway guess the albanians might have been justifiably extra paranoid considering Prague got invaded the day after. Dad claims they dodged Titos tank columns on the way back to the italy ferry, right before he closed their borders too. The entire vacation sounded incredbly ill adviced in retrospect. Otoh 19 year old swedish bro idiots lol. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jan 18, 2022 |
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Dad and some buddies were on a road trip through Yugoslavia back in August 1968. They tried to get into Albania as well but were almost gunned down at the border crossing. Instead they had dinner at some tavern in the no mans land inbetween - got food poisoning at least. No bunker stories. And that dad was Henning Wehnsson.
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Weeell its a Dad Story but hes loving terrible at embellishing, usually does the opposite so it checks out i think. Personally i found his description of miles of "lawless" but inhabited borderland between the border stations the most interesting part.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Weeell its a Dad Story but hes loving terrible at embellishing, usually does the opposite so it checks out i think. Not lawless, the law of Lek
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US-Canada border? Honestly look how much work this must take? Borders are so loving dumb.
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Take the crews that deforest that border and have them clean up the power lines in California.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:US-Canada border? It is, and not as much work as you'd think. The International Boundary Commission has been doing it for more than a century, current budget is a rather modest $1.5 million/year.
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PittTheElder posted:It is, and not as much work as you'd think. The International Boundary Commission has been doing it for more than a century, current budget is a rather modest $1.5 million/year. Wow, that's incredibly low... actually that seems too low. That only funds what, like 5-10 people plus some basic equipment? But they'll need helicopters and such to access it in any reasonable pace, and almost certainly more than one team. It's also kind of weird they even bother. Like is anyone doing smuggling between the US and Canada post-prohibition? It was stressful as poo poo to see borders up again in Europe back in 2020, glad that stuff is all gone and over with, even for places like Switzerland that still nominally have borders.
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Platystemon posted:Take the crews that deforest that border and have them clean up the power lines in California. But that would reduce shareholder value.
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Saladman posted:Wow, that's incredibly low... actually that seems too low. That only funds what, like 5-10 people plus some basic equipment? But they'll need helicopters and such to access it in any reasonable pace, and almost certainly more than one team. Switzerland is part of Schengen, so same border stuff as France etc.
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Mano posted:Switzerland is part of Schengen, so same border stuff as France etc. Borders aren't only for affecting movement of people. The Schengen agreement only affects the transit of people, not of goods, and Switzerland isn't part of the EEA. The main Swiss borders on the highways are always staffed and checked during the day, and sometimes even the minor borders are staffed and cars checked. If you're in a private car you'll be waved through nearly all of the time, unlike EU borders where even the major ones on highways never (or almost never) have anyone out checking traffic. Saladman fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Kenning posted:But that would reduce shareholder value. How so?
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Subjunctive posted:How so? It would cut from quarterly profits
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Saladman posted:Wow, that's incredibly low... actually that seems too low. That only funds what, like 5-10 people plus some basic equipment? But they'll need helicopters and such to access it in any reasonable pace, and almost certainly more than one team. they load up a dude on a big lawn mower on the shores of the lake of the woods, duct tape a compass on the wheel, and tell him to keep it straight till he hits point roberts
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Found in the wild
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I can confirm Denmark, Germany and IIRC Poland as completely correct.
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Saladman posted:Wow, that's incredibly low... actually that seems too low. That only funds what, like 5-10 people plus some basic equipment? But they'll need helicopters and such to access it in any reasonable pace, and almost certainly more than one team. There are areas where the border runs through built up areas (including single properties that actually lay astride the border out east I think), they mark all those out as well. Other than that I don't really know why they bother, other than it's kind of neat? Prevents somebody accidentally blundering across the border I guess, though I'm not sure how often it comes up and probably wouldn't be a big deal anyway. e: Oh yeah the rando press release I was drawing my numbers from are way low, maybe that was for maintaining the actual commission staff. Last published report on the commission website shows about $45M USD expended for 2017-2018. Also includes the very useful note that we do it because we have a treaty from 1925 that says we will do it, probably cheaper to do it than argue about not doing it 
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KozmoNaut posted:I can confirm Denmark, Germany and IIRC Poland as completely correct. Count Roland posted:Found in the wild
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KozmoNaut posted:I can confirm Denmark, Germany and IIRC Poland as completely correct. So is Dutch, kind of, but I would translate it as "it can rust onto my rear end". Odd how the map thinks oxidation is food-related.
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I can confirm that Swedes give way too many fucks all "fan helvete" & "vad håller ni på med" & "försvinn, jävla idiot" all the time, its super aggravating
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Lord Hydronium posted:What is this one? Something along the lines of "top result on Google Image Search for the country's name," I assume? Although the Sri Lanka money and mangoes thing doesn't pop up until a few results down for me.
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Quorum posted:Something along the lines of "top result on Google Image Search for the country's name," I assume? Although the Sri Lanka money and mangoes thing doesn't pop up until a few results down for me.  . Thanks!
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Carthag Tuek posted:I can confirm that Swedes give way too many fucks Det skiter de väl i. For the record, Swedes poo poo in it, when no fucks are given.
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Intresseklubben antecknar vilt
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Norwegians also poo poo in it. Or else give the devil. Giving the cat IS a valid expression but very much on the PG end of the spectrum.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:So is Dutch, kind of, but I would translate it as "it can rust onto my rear end". Odd how the map thinks oxidation is food-related. Eat more rear end
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Det skiter de väl i. Similarly in Denmark, we sometimes poo poo on it or poo poo a hole in it.
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Pope Hilarius II posted:So is Dutch, kind of, but I would translate it as "it can rust onto my rear end". Odd how the map thinks oxidation is food-related.
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