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Somaen posted:I've not been following it closely but the headlines seemed to have turned from "Kadyrov demands public apologies for Instagram comments" and "Kadyrov tortures Chechens" to him sending officers to other regions to kidnap and bring him the people for him personally to torture He’s currently busy torturing family members of Chechen civil activists or journalists. An article in Russian - https://theins.ru/news/247379 - or check the thread below for summary in English: https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1473795647576973326
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I lived in Ukraine for two years and here are my sources for news on Twitter. Christopher Miller was a Peace Corps volunteer too, I believe. https://twitter.com/JaneLytv?s=20 https://twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk?s=20 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM?s=20
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The German navy chief who spoke about Russia and Ukraine has been canned (or, rather, being forced to leave) lol: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutscher-marinechef-kay-achim-schoenbach-muss-gehen-a-454d5539-5d6a-4880-ba23-21ee7e363dc0 Not surprising but does suggest that Germany wants there to be no misunderstanding of its position.
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A good reminder why you never, ever let a member of any military branch speak out on any sort of policy. Ideally by prohibitig them from doing so by law.
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QuoProQuid posted:The German navy chief who spoke about Russia and Ukraine has been canned (or, rather, being forced to leave) lol: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutscher-marinechef-kay-achim-schoenbach-muss-gehen-a-454d5539-5d6a-4880-ba23-21ee7e363dc0 You say that, but rumor mill is that the Germans are getting torqued by Russia behind the scenes over gas prices, and with poo poo like blocking the Estonian munitions transfer it's like Molotov–Ribbentrop never ended.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You say that, but rumor mill is that the Germans are getting torqued by Russia behind the scenes over gas prices, and with poo poo like blocking the Estonian munitions transfer it's like Molotov–Ribbentrop never ended. Even if Germany was getting screwed over re. energy, it wouldn't be some Admiral popping off about the importance of protecting Christianity to let the people know.
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QuoProQuid posted:The German navy chief who spoke about Russia and Ukraine has been canned (or, rather, being forced to leave) lol: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutscher-marinechef-kay-achim-schoenbach-muss-gehen-a-454d5539-5d6a-4880-ba23-21ee7e363dc0 what a way to sink your career.
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steinrokkan posted:Even if Germany was getting screwed over re. energy, it wouldn't be some Admiral popping off about the importance of protecting Christianity to let the people know. Oh, of course. The optics on all the poo poo he said were super bad. But the messaging they want to send needn't be consistent with actual policy as implemented.
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Also one of the cool things about the EU is that Russia can't selectively target countries and threaten them with increased costs. Russia has no control over where their gas goes after it enters the EU, so if they try to do a price racket, the whole EU is going to feel it because the whole EU is a single market, and there's no way to conceal or limit that. So Russia can't very well threaten Germany because Germany is, from Russian point of view, inseparable from the rest of the Union.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Yeah, good thing the rest of the Union isn't experiencing an energy crisis so they can just pick up the slack. Of course they are. But what it means is that they can't threaten one country with an even worse crisis to divide and conquer,the whole union would feel that and have a reason to respond.
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Paladinus posted:Good thing people haven't been paying attention to Zhirinovsky lately. He suggested Russia should start nuking America and Europe to reboot the failed Western civilisation. Even mentioning him here feels like clancychat.
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Grouchio posted:He can say that easily if he has no responsibility on the matter. If he was ever in power he would think twice before committing to wiping out his own nation.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You say that, but rumor mill is that the Germans are getting torqued by Russia behind the scenes over gas prices, and with poo poo like blocking the Estonian munitions transfer it's like Molotov–Ribbentrop never ended. Germany doesn't really have an unusual relation in regards to gas with Russia. That's mostly uninformed op-ed claptrap. Many countries like Italy, the UK or the Netherlands have a higher per capita gas consumption than Germany and Russia's share of gas imports in Germany is pretty average for the EU. Germany also has a lot of price stable long term gas contracts, which allowed it to weather the energy crisis better than a lot of other European countries that rely on the spot market much more. The truth is that German culture has just a long russophile tradition, substantial anti-american sentiments and good penetration by Russian state propaganda that gets consumed without much critique or reflection. All of this gets expressed in German politics and foreign policy.
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Paladinus posted:Good thing people haven't been paying attention to Zhirinovsky lately. He suggested Russia should start nuking America and Europe to reboot the failed Western civilisation. hmm, that is one of his most appealing policies
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Grouchio posted:He can say that easily if he has no responsibility on the matter. If he was ever in power he would think twice before committing to wiping out his own nation. Yes, that was my point.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposedquote:We have information that indicates the Russian Government is looking to install a pro-Russian leader in Kyiv as it considers whether to invade and occupy Ukraine. The former Ukrainian MP Yevhen Murayev is being considered as a potential candidate.
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GABA ghoul posted:Germany doesn't really have an unusual relation in regards to gas with Russia. That's mostly uninformed op-ed claptrap.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposed
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposed Actually trying to take areas like Kiev, places that don't like Russia and aren't really Russophone at all, seems really dumb and what would get them a nightmare insurgency.
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Cugel the Clever posted:All I've got is second-hand knowledge from what seems like a consensus of foreign policy analysts to say otherwise, so I'm curious why Nord Stream 2 would be such a focal point for influence efforts from both sides if the whole thing is just a bunch of hot air. It's a tax thing. They want to toll the gas companies shipping through eastern Europe and Germany. If they bypass, they don't collect the tax. It's not a total supply issue. It is a dumb dispute and Russia has every right to be annoyed about US and other countries meddling to force them to have worse margins for no real reason. As part of the dispute, Russia has been moving in less volume on the existing pipe to basically squeeze the price higher (this affects total European price, not just Germany). Also there is theory their production declines were bigger than expected and therefore they just didn't have the molecules available. Basically, ns2 dispute is stupid and has always has been.
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Al-Saqr posted:Also Putin isnt an athiest lol he's a reactionary Orthodox is that Navy Chief stupid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5OfyvPiSk&t=348s
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Modern Russian nationalism freely mixes the Tsars, Soviets, and Orthodox themes all willy nilly. Because all that matters is that they are Russian.
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GABA ghoul posted:Germany doesn't really have an unusual relation in regards to gas with Russia. That's mostly uninformed op-ed claptrap. Many countries like Italy, the UK or the Netherlands have a higher per capita gas consumption than Germany and Russia's share of gas imports in Germany is pretty average for the EU. Germany also has a lot of price stable long term gas contracts, which allowed it to weather the energy crisis better than a lot of other European countries that rely on the spot market much more. The UK mainly gets it's gas from Norway (and then a load of other countries from round the world). Less than 5% from Russia according to the beeb. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58637094
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Cugel the Clever posted:All I've got is second-hand knowledge from what seems like a consensus of foreign policy analysts to say otherwise, so I'm curious why Nord Stream 2 would be such a focal point for influence efforts from both sides if the whole thing is just a bunch of hot air. Nord Stream 2 is a hot topic because it would take hostage several gas transit fees-reliant economies in Eastern Europe. The other major concern with it is that it could increase European reliance on Russian gas in general, simply by providing even more of it for maybe slightly less.
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Jippa posted:The UK mainly gets it's gas from Norway (and then a load of other countries from round the world). Less than 5% from Russia according to the beeb. GABA ghoul posted:Germany doesn't really have an unusual relation in regards to gas with Russia. That's mostly uninformed op-ed claptrap. Many countries like Italy, the UK or the Netherlands have a higher per capita gas consumption than Germany and Russia's share of gas imports in Germany is pretty average for the EU. Germany also has a lot of price stable long term gas contracts, which allowed it to weather the energy crisis better than a lot of other European countries that rely on the spot market much more. cinci zoo sniper posted:Nord Stream 2 is a hot topic because it would take hostage several gas transit fees-reliant economies in Eastern Europe. The other major concern with it is that it could increase European reliance on Russian gas in general, simply by providing even more of it for maybe slightly less.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/kremlin-plan-to-install-pro-russian-leadership-in-ukraine-exposed This is the most likely scenario. They'll just install another Yanukovych.
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How much firepower is a US carrier strike group. Asking for a friend
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cr0y posted:How much firepower is a US carrier strike group. How, specifically, is this relevant to Eastern Europe? Asking for a friend. edit: thread regulars actually living in Eastern Europe have clearly expressed a distaste for Clancy chat. And maybe I should change the thread title to reflect that. \/\/\/\/\/\/ knock this poo poo off unless it's quite funny (very subjective!) or directly relevant to the thread topic Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:How, specifically, is this relevant to Eastern Europe? Is the friend Erdogan?
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GABA ghoul posted:The truth is that German culture has just a long russophile tradition, substantial anti-american sentiments and good penetration by Russian state propaganda that gets consumed without much critique or reflection. All of this gets expressed in German politics and foreign policy. It's also culturally out of the question for Germany to defend itself or even meaningfully contribute to its own defense. Defending third countries like Ukraine is even less culturally palatable, particularly when they're in the rightful Russian "sphere of influence". In addition to the marine guy, other politicians (Ex-chancellor Schröder, Sigmar Gabriel and Klaus von Dohnanyi are some that I know about) have also come out on the side of Russia after being in government. I think this runs deep. Online newspaper reader comments about the articles covering that marine guy and his "As a Catholic, I think we should join with our brethren in Russia and fight China" rhetoric are about 70-80% in favor across the board from the Zeit (somewhat leftist paper) to the Welt (somewhat rightist paper). His opinion is seen as the pure wisdom of an elder statesman. Nordstream 2 is similarly untouchable as a great national achievement of Germany, gently caress what other EU countries say. Considering all that and judging it by its actions, I'm wondering what I would think of Germany as the US president or Ukraine. It's the kind of friend that keeps going on about how much it values your friendship, but whenever you need to call on it, it's unable to make time, doesn't help you and complains publicly about your nerve to ask.
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Fritz the Horse posted:How, specifically, is this relevant to Eastern Europe? You're right, I apologize.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:It's also culturally out of the question for Germany to defend itself or even meaningfully contribute to its own defense. Defending third countries like Ukraine is even less culturally palatable, particularly when they're in the rightful Russian "sphere of influence". After finishing his term Schröder got hired by a Russian gas company iirc
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Terminally Bored posted:After finishing his term Schröder got hired by a Russian gas company iirc He’s chairman of the shareholders committee for Nordstream.
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cr0y posted:You're right, I apologize. No worries, I'm just sensitive to the feedback during the last day or so with several EE posters clearly communicating they shouldn't be talked about as pawns in some armchair Tom Clancy chat and expressing how tense the situation is. "There were a hundred posts overnight and I don't know if that means hot war with Russia and my friends and family might be in danger, or someone is being dumb in the thread." Non-EE goons are of course welcome to post here, but please keep the last day or so of feedback posts in mind and recognize you're posting with folks who may be deeply, personally affected by the current situation.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:
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Xarn posted:Sorry, but wtf is wrong with Germans? they're honest and pragmatic, why do you ask 
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