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Zereth posted:Ultima Online had the population in the pvp servers drop like a loving rock when the non-pvp servers were opened. It doesn't work anymore, it only ever worked because the PVPers and non-PVPers were stuck in the same sandbox which was the only game in town, and now the non-PVPers can go play one of a million other games. Happens a lot especially since PvPers tend to unsurprisingly mostly be awful people who want to gank all the noobs and inevitably poo poo where they eat.
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When you died in UO, you dropped whatever you were carrying. So house key, rune to teleport to said house and whatever gold you were carrying. So it was constant bank trips to deposit these items if you dared to try to enter a dungeon. PVP was 4 players surrounding and melee attacking you. No skill, no finesse just strength in numbers. You basically had a game where you suspected everyone and was always on edge, waiting to be ganked. It was less a sandbox and more a playground run by bullies.
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Today I remembered the MMO I was thinking of was the Lord British related Shroud of the Avatar. There was a thread ages ago about it. The failed marketing of other MMOs is interesting to learn about. No goons, just lol
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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Today I remembered the MMO I was thinking of was the Lord British related Shroud of the Avatar. There was a thread ages ago about it. The failed marketing of other MMOs is interesting to learn about. No goons, just lol failed mmos are great because you can tell right away they are a scam or run by people who have no idea how modern game design works. or both. and they are always funny trainwrecks to see in motion
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The amount of MMOs that arose in the wake of WoW and quickly died off because their designers had no idea why WoW was so successful is still just amazing to me.
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Vandar posted:The amount of MMOs that arose in the wake of WoW and quickly died off because their designers had no idea why WoW was so successful is still just amazing to me. Also the wave of MMOS that arose in the wake of those going "we're not Babby's First MMO like WoW, we're hardcore like the early MMOs!" and also failed because they didn't learn the reasons WoW supplanted Everquest et al.
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Amazon's latest trainwreck, New World, also made that mistake. They had to hastily redesign the entire game because the beta testers hated it
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wildstar had the developers, in an incredible marketing and PR move, actually insult the players for beating a raid after it was nerfed several times to make it playable. wildstar no longer exists lol
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The other thing was that WoW already captured the market - you'd have to do something notably better than WoW to get people to abandon characters they put hundreds of hours into, and most MMOs don't.
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Can a person be their own worst DMM? I think Gina Carano might be the most recent.
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Cowslips Warren posted:Can a person be their own worst DMM? I think Gina Carano might be the most recent. Wasn't she actually going to get her own Mandalorian spinoff series? Imagine making GBS threads on your chances to make that kind of money because you couldn't keep your loving mouth shut. It's ok though, she's making a movie with Ben Shapiro now.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wildstar had the developers, in an incredible marketing and PR move, actually insult the players for beating a raid after it was nerfed several times to make it playable. wildstar no longer exists lol Every time Wildstar comes up, I immediately think of the giant, endless list of bullshit you had to do become endgame ready.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wildstar had the developers, in an incredible marketing and PR move, actually insult the players for beating a raid after it was nerfed several times to make it playable. wildstar no longer exists lol Was that the game where the devs got pissy when a player did the math to point out that a raid boss was actually impossible to brat even with optimal play?
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Memento posted:Wasn't she actually going to get her own Mandalorian spinoff series? Imagine making GBS threads on your chances to make that kind of money because you couldn't keep your loving mouth shut. Apparently she was an extra rear end in a top hat because Pedro Pascal has a trans sibling and tried to explain why she was being wrong and she just didn't care.
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Memento posted:Imagine making GBS threads on your chances to make that kind of money because you couldn't keep your loving mouth shut. Just trying her best to comply with truth-in-advertising laws
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Hel posted:Was that the game where the devs got pissy when a player did the math to point out that a raid boss was actually impossible to brat even with optimal play? yea they hitched their ride HARD to 'hasn't WoW become TOO EASY with its WELFARE PURPS and BABY RAIDS??? We're the guys making a game more like OLD WoW. You know, when every raid had massive attunement quests that took ages to do just to gain access to the raid that really was only hard because it was early internet era and 'raid resources' were hard to share so 90% of the time you relied on one or two guys in the guild to explain as best they can what's gonna happen? Well we're doing that, but we're going to make the raid literally impossible to do to simulate that'.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wildstar had the developers, in an incredible marketing and PR move, actually insult the players for beating a raid after it was nerfed several times to make it playable. wildstar no longer exists lol To add to this, the raid developers on Wildstar would actually shadow raids and if they saw a clear that they didn't like, they'd patch the boss so that method would become impossible. The boss nerfs only came about when they became absolutely desperate for any playerbase to stick around, and even then they were smug pricks about it.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:wildstar had the developers, in an incredible marketing and PR move, actually insult the players for beating a raid after it was nerfed several times to make it playable. wildstar no longer exists lol John Murdoch posted:Every time Wildstar comes up, I immediately think of the giant, endless list of bullshit you had to do become endgame ready.
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I can't remember if a dev ever confirmed this or not, but most players felt it was pretty obvious that Carbine had a set timeline for when raids were supposed to be beaten. And that they did this so they could keep claiming "THIS GAME IS HARDCORE, CUPCAKE", and more importantly artifically extend the life of the endgame. And speaking of hardcore cupcakes, let's bring this back too marketing. The marketing was all over the place, sure it was all "THIS GAME ISN'T FOR BABIES LIKE YOU CUPCAKE!" but it was so cheesy and cartoony that it was hard to tell if the game really was only for hardcore serious players, or if that was just marketing and this was another standard theme park MMO. The thing was the game didn't seem to know either. Because the basic leveling experience wasn't all that hard, you could get to max level easily just by running around doing quests and the odd dungeon. But then you hit this wall that was attunement, and beyond that wall was this extremely difficult, and for a while literally impossible, content that required a ridiculous amount of skill and planning. So you ended up with two kinds of players Casuals like me who enjoyed the game up until they hit that wall, then just wandered off to another game. And hardcore players imported from WoW raiding guilds who blitzed through the content, only to find themselves beating their heads against raids designed to be impossible. And by the time they could be beaten many of the raiders had gone back to WoW, and since all the casuals left to play dress up with their chocobos they had no way of replacing them, so they just all disbanded. Wildstar was just a never ending storm of bad decisions.
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Pulsarcat posted:Casuals like me who enjoyed the game up until they hit that wall, then just wandered off to another game. That was me, but I got the game and 90 days for free, so they never got anything out of me at all.
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What's that about Pedro Pascal? Did some drama happen?
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Nitrox posted:What's that about Pedro Pascal? Did some drama happen? When Gina first started putting her foot in her mouth he sat her down and tried to explain proper pronouns and naming to her. She then doubled down on being a right-wing choad. From all accounts Pedro is one of the sweetest people in the world.
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And while Pascal is just a nice and good person in general, it was especially personal and upsetting for him because his sister is Lux Pascal, a trans actor in Chile. He asked Carano to tone it down, she went on twitter and dropped one of those standard "I love all people and hate all bullies" type general posts that really just means "stop looking at me" then a week later changed her profile to have the pronouns "beep/boop" and that was the end of that.
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I thought there were reports that she got so out and blatant with things a group of people including Pascal went "It's us or her", and they removed her instead.
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bobjr posted:I thought there were reports that she got so out and blatant with things a group of people including Pascal went "It's us or her", and they removed her instead. All I saw about that is that Carano was decrying an "us vs. them" mentality and then her chud fans wanted Pascal fired because he posted on instagram comparing trump supporters to nazis and confederates. Also, Carano said it was wrong of Pascal to post Senator Ted Cruz' publicly available phone number on twitter. Of course, she said all these things on Ben Shapiro's show, so she got no pushback whatsoever.
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John Murdoch posted:Every time Wildstar comes up, I immediately think of the giant, endless list of bullshit you had to do become endgame ready.  
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Ten Unique World Bosses! Like Metal Maw and Metal Maw Prime! Stem Dragon and other Stem Dragon!
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Schubalts posted:To add to this, the raid developers on Wildstar would actually shadow raids and if they saw a clear that they didn't like, they'd patch the boss so that method would become impossible. The boss nerfs only came about when they became absolutely desperate for any playerbase to stick around, and even then they were smug pricks about it. I think part of this is because the game launched with 2 raids, a 20 player raid and a 40 player raid. You had to beat the 20 to access (and gear for) the 40, but the 40 was actually extremely incomplete for months after the game's launch (for all I know it was never completed). So they tried to hide this by intentionally making bosses impossible, and then buffing them if anyone found away around them. Also lol 40 player raid
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lowering NPC healthbars must be earned, and only by the most clever & dedicated poop sockers
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Mierenneuker posted:All the M&Ms are DTF. That was so clearly Billy West that it sounded more like Philip J. Fry in an M&M costume.
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lobsterminator posted:That was so clearly Billy West that it sounded more like Philip J. Fry in an M&M costume. Pretty sure the M&M came first.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the M&M came first. Well they do melt in your mouth, as it were.
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I don't know, I never met the guy!
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Cowslips Warren posted:Can a person be their own worst DMM? I think Gina Carano might be the most recent. Aaron Rodgers.
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The Moon Monster posted:I think part of this is because the game launched with 2 raids, a 20 player raid and a 40 player raid. You had to beat the 20 to access (and gear for) the 40, but the 40 was actually extremely incomplete for months after the game's launch (for all I know it was never completed). So they tried to hide this by intentionally making bosses impossible, and then buffing them if anyone found away around them. Couldn't they have put an even longer and more laborious attunement between Raid 1 and Raid 2? Requiring an absurd amount of daily rep grind or something?
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The Lone Badger posted:Couldn't they have put an even longer and more laborious attunement between Raid 1 and Raid 2? Requiring an absurd amount of daily rep grind or something?
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https://twitter.com/hosoterratoma/status/1484271436709924866 Oh, wow. Good lord!
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Read After Burning posted:https://twitter.com/hosoterratoma/status/1484271436709924866 "Oh, how bad could it...oh, okay then."
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Read After Burning posted:https://twitter.com/hosoterratoma/status/1484271436709924866 The most charitable take is maybe she's heard the term used by a vaguely racist grandparent, and it's so rarely used anywhere else that she honestly didn't know.
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