TheDarkFlame posted:

I remember joining a goon SS13 server ages ago where a lot of the old guard would talk about Poo, which was a substance that was removed from the game at some point. Even with normal substances, you give the kind of reprobates who play SS13 a new thing they and will put it into every system they can find, they will paint the station with it, they will put it in all the food... and apparently some people got incredibly weird about poo. I don't know the details, just that "bring back poo" as a thing you'd see here and there when someone was trying to be weird.

Reminder that SS13 is a game that really had Janitor gameplay, and because about 80% of that game was about being an absolute arsehole to everyone else on the station the Janitor was a common source of grief. Which makes perfect sense, when your job is hygiene control on a station that 60% of the crew treat as entirely disposable and the rest are actively trying to destroy it by way of being traitors or scientists or engineers.

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Is this becoming a hate subreddit? (self.starcitizen_refunds)

As you may have noticed, CIG's 11+ year content drought has slowly turned this subreddit into "look at this dumb thing a Star Citizen fan said" ad infinitum. Frankly I think this is despicable and harassing. Where do you people get off quoting anonymous public posts made on a social media platform, and then discussing them on the same platform? It's totally hosed up. Reddit is for posting pretty pictures of expensive corporate products and then trying to convince other maladjusted dimwits to buy them. This is not the place for discussion and criticism.

Indeed, informed criticism is a bannable offense on almost every other subreddit, and I think its time the mods here followed suit. Star Citizen fans often make the point that it is extremely disingenuous to directly quote Chris Roberts' past statements, and then hold him to those statements. After all, the scope has expanded. For instance in June, 2020 Squadron 42 was 1 month from beta and today it is at least 5 years out. Things change guys. You can't expect people taking your money to just, like, give you the product you paid for all willy nilly! It's a process. That's how whale-milking development works.

And I think the same consideration should be extended to his loyal fans. Just because they are posting marketing propaganda for a massive scam does not give you the right to question what they say or express your own views on the validity of the project. That, my friends, is hate - and hate is not cool.

marumaru posted:

NumptyScrub posted:

When you bought in, were you aware that after starting development in 2012, they were still in a pre-alpha, not-feature-complete state?

How is the performance of SC on your rig, compared to contemporary games (CPU / GPU utilisation, framerate, that sort of thing)?

Not trolling FYI, honestly interested in your perspective on this if you are new to the project, since I am jaded as all hell at this point.

Erulisse posted:

I was aware it started way back in 1999 with a dream and is still going, yes. I first heard about it before kickstarter happened and, while being grateful to crobear for Freelancer, disliked the initial 2014-2015 completion date. "2 years!" I cried, a lot could change! (It did, but then it didn't).
Surprisingly, there's enough stable and working features for me, much like interesting mechanics.
I didn't know mining can be interesting!
Hell, there's more meaningful stuff to do than in a "complete, released game" that is stuck in 1984 game design with 400 billion empty star systems. (elite:1984 dangerous)
In 10 days I had more emergent gameplay happen than in 1k hours of e:d.

I have a workstation Ivy Bridge 2013 cpu and slow ECC ram, this impacts the performance a lot but have only ~30% less performance than youtubers and streamers thanks to 3060ti. Major problems are small stutters and inability to play 100% smoothly.
Cities 28-40fps, space combat 30-60fps. (max settings) I don't have any cpu/ram heavy games so it's uncomparable for me.

I've been in the same boat of "lmao jpeg sellers" ever since they never delivered back in 2016 but looking for some skillbased space pvp I stumbled upon fellow goon videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2tDWkC8bjM one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZa5WX8SFqo also, endless salt mines


And after playing for several days, after seeing how meticulously they did most of the things, how thought through most of the stuff is and then seeing what they actually are trying to accomplish I started to believe. Not in crobear, to believe that this tech they are trying to deliver for so long is worth the wait. I'd throw some more $ at them if I had some. If they accomplish the scale of interaction they are trying to do, this will help move gaming industry years forward. But it's not profitable for big companies to invent the tech because pubbies will still happily go and buy fifa/bf/cod "this year, even more better!" for $60 far more religiously than redditors praise crobear.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

As always, even earnest praise of CIG needs to include a lot of "if"s and "trying to"s.

Erulisse posted:

I'm a new backer (10 days in).
I bought the $80 aegis titan pack.
Is worth it.

Gravity_Storm posted:

I think you may have clicked on the wrong pack friend, its traditional to pledge for the Idris pack.

Erulisse posted:

I was aware it started way back in 1999 with a dream and is still going, yes. I first heard about it before kickstarter happened and, while being grateful to crobear for Freelancer, disliked the initial 2014-2015 completion date. "2 years!" I cried, a lot could change! (It did, but then it didn't).
Surprisingly, there's enough stable and working features for me, much like interesting mechanics.
I didn't know mining can be interesting!
Hell, there's more meaningful stuff to do than in a "complete, released game" that is stuck in 1984 game design with 400 billion empty star systems. (elite:1984 dangerous)
In 10 days I had more emergent gameplay happen than in 1k hours of e:d.

I have a workstation Ivy Bridge 2013 cpu and slow ECC ram, this impacts the performance a lot but have only ~30% less performance than youtubers and streamers thanks to 3060ti. Major problems are small stutters and inability to play 100% smoothly.
Cities 28-40fps, space combat 30-60fps. (max settings) I don't have any cpu/ram heavy games so it's uncomparable for me.

I've been in the same boat of "lmao jpeg sellers" ever since they never delivered back in 2016 but looking for some skillbased space pvp I stumbled upon fellow goon videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2tDWkC8bjM one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZa5WX8SFqo also, endless salt mines


And after playing for several days, after seeing how meticulously they did most of the things, how thought through most of the stuff is and then seeing what they actually are trying to accomplish I started to believe. Not in crobear, to believe that this tech they are trying to deliver for so long is worth the wait. I'd throw some more $ at them if I had some. If they accomplish the scale of interaction they are trying to do, this will help move gaming industry years forward. But it's not profitable for big companies to invent the tech because pubbies will still happily go and buy fifa/bf/cod "this year, even more better!" for $60 far more religiously than redditors praise crobear.

Daztek posted:

post videos of you playing the game, tia

Erulisse posted:

If they accomplish the scale of interaction they are trying to do, this will help move gaming industry years forward.

Erulisse posted:

I could have used "when" just to trigger half of the thread but decided to be me - a stupid loving child that realised that even with all the money in the world all we'll be able to see actual space stuff only in games and not in real world.
So yeah, it's all honest hopes because there are shortcomings and failures and its all known.

Shazback posted:

Can you elaborate on this point?

I feel Star Citizen has promised much, but so far hasn't moved the needle much with regards to delivering on these promises. I'm not a developer / computer toucher though so perhaps I'm mistaken in this respect. My perception is that conceptualizing is the easy part and should be given less weight than what they have actually implemented. Tony Z. (and some citizens) have talked at length about the incredible 'quanta' system which will deliver AI that is both computationally efficient, persistent, capable of passing a Turing test in an open-ended video game, and many other notions I'm omitting for clarity. For years though, the game's AI has been lackluster - NPCs barely do anything and have a very limited range of interactions and there's no risk of mistaking one for a player. CIG employees and citizens are quick to point out that the 'quanta' AI is not available / working as intended / only in the secret dev build on an airgapped server because some other feature is missing (e.g., server meshing, persistence, etc.) or because it's so great they want it to be a key launch feature for the game that nobody can see before. It's difficult for me to reconcile Star Citizen's track record and the notion that they are on the cusp of redefining the industry.

Erulisse posted:

I could have used "when" just to trigger half of the thread but decided to be me - a stupid loving child that realised that even with all the money in the world all we'll be able to see actual space stuff only in games and not in real world.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I can't parse this. Not trying to be rude or dunk or anything I just legitimately have no idea what you are saying

Tippis posted:

Nah.

Erulisse posted:

The little child in me is happy to play these spaceships and share the experience and opinions because somewhere in the back of the mind there's looming "the best stuff about space you will get in this lifetime is shows, gaming and maybe they will launch a ship to mars"

Erulisse posted:

to believe that this tech they are trying to deliver for so long is worth the wait. I'd throw some more $ at them if I had some. If they accomplish the scale of interaction they are trying to do, this will help move gaming industry years forward.

Erulisse posted:

The little child in me is happy to play these spaceships and share the experience and opinions because somewhere in the back of the mind there's looming "the best stuff about space you will get in this lifetime is shows, gaming and maybe they will launch a ship to mars"

Love how you put your own words as someone else's

Shazback posted:

Can you elaborate on this point?

sebmojo posted:

Please post videos. I've honestly tried to have fun in sc for several hours and have not succeeded in any way except a few mordant chuckles, I'd like to see what it looks like.

Erulisse posted:

Love how you put your own words as someone else's

Erulisse posted:

The server meshing itself. As far as I know there's no such tech that enables desired interactions between so many entities on a meaningful level in a timely manner right now.
I'm not that computer literate myself so there's that basic explanation to not copypaste thousands of words of how stuff works vs how it should that some computer literate goon was so generous to explain to me.

Erulisse posted:

The server meshing itself. As far as I know there's no such tech that enables desired interactions between so many entities on a meaningful level in a timely manner right now.
I'm not that computer literate myself so there's that basic explanation to not copypaste thousands of words of how stuff works vs how it should that some computer literate goon was so generous to explain to me.

Erulisse posted:

The server meshing itself. As far as I know there's no such tech that enables desired interactions between so many entities on a meaningful level in a timely manner right now.
I'm not that computer literate myself so there's that basic explanation to not copypaste thousands of words of how stuff works vs how it should that some computer literate goon was so generous to explain to me.

Pixelate posted:

Do yourself a favour friend and don’t expect any of that poo poo. They’ve been talking it up for over half a decade and they still haven’t got a clue how to actually do it. What they’re adding this year will amaze you with how remarkably average it is. And that’s if it isn’t broken or delayed

Just enjoy the jankbox if it’s doing it for you. But don’t buy their honeyed words of infinite cream

Erulisse posted:

I don't expect but I do hope.
And yeah, it works for me, I'm having fun and emergent gameplay in space with space ships, guns and people in all possible and imaginable combinations in an immersive environment! (Also relatively bug-free but I was not expecting that)

Rotten Red Rod posted:

What if, like, just had one big server, then all the little servers would be already meshed

*hits bong*

The Titanic posted:

Pretty sure server meshing has been walked back to just regular run of the mill type arena game sharding where some set area is controlled by some server/cluster and you just move to that server/cluster when you go to that zone.

Even this isn't functional yet though.

You won't be shooting shots through ten servers and hitting a space man through a hole in the side of his space car. Anything less than this is not what cig sold to people, though.

It's just dumbass promises being walked back or conveniently forgotten that people paid for but were impossible to achieve. There should be refunds if you bought in because of some promise that was made.

I'm sure the "PvP slider" owes a good handful of people some refunds, too.

Erulisse posted:

I don't expect but I do hope.
And yeah, it works for me, I'm having fun and emergent gameplay in space with space ships, guns and people in all possible and imaginable combinations in an immersive environment! (Also relatively bug-free but I was not expecting that)