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Push El Burrito posted:Imagine you're a reporter and you last name is slang for a turd. Not only that, you're the SON of a report whose last name is slang for a turd. So not only is he the Dooce, he's also Dooce #2.
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the_steve posted:IIRC, the question was something like "Do you think inflation will be a liability for Democrats in the midterms?" Yeah, lol; it probably won't look like a stupid question come this November. Sanguinia posted:Every fox news questions deserves a smug lovely response, and every fox news reporter's question should be hand-waved away. In fact they shouldn't be permitted in that room because they're not reporters. And the same goes for every right wing propaganda rag that somehow gets access to the President. I can't imagine how that could possibly backfire!
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 00:49 |
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Sanguinia posted:Every fox news questions deserves a smug lovely response, and every fox news reporter's question should be hand-waved away. In fact they shouldn't be permitted in that room because they're not reporters. And the same goes for every right wing propaganda rag that somehow gets access to the President. Hey now, that's not fair. They're just asking questions!
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Yeah if they kick right out reporters from right wing news media today, it's just a matter of time until they're kicking out reporters from left wing news media.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 00:52 |
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Willa Rogers posted:I can't imagine how that could possibly backfire! It already did. The Obama Administration all-but kicked Fox out of the briefing room because it was a right-wing propaganda machine that in fact had no business being there among legitimate news sources, and the "legitimate news sources" went to bat for it and bullied the White House into taking questions from Fox against everyone else's better interests and judgements because corpo media is all secretly right-wing and pro-disinformation at their core. Any chance to properly de-legitimize Fox has long since blown away in the wind.
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Willa Rogers posted:Yeah, lol; it probably won't look like a stupid question come this November. It literally doesn’t matter. A genuine response and a snarky one is going to play exactly the same for their audience. This way is much better for non-chuds than wasting time answering a lovely troll. Can’t believe anyone here is going to bat for Fox News or thinking that question was asked in good faith.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:09 |
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Sanguinia posted:Every fox news questions deserves a smug lovely response, and every fox news reporter's question should be hand-waved away. In fact they shouldn't be permitted in that room because they're not reporters. And the same goes for every right wing propaganda rag that somehow gets access to the President. Yeah, Biden should absolutely help conservatives make the point that media is not to be trusted and organizations critical of the president should be barred.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:11 |
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has any reporter ever gotten a serious answer to a question asked either TO someone who is leaving a room, or BY someone leaving a room? I dont care what your ideology that is just cringe journalism every time
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:12 |
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Fox News and other right wing channels are important though, because they're the only ones with a popular voice who are willing to criticize democrats
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:13 |
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Flying-PCP posted:Fox News and other right wing channels are important though, because they're the only ones with a popular voice who are willing to criticize democrats this is a joke right? the mainstream media will tear any politician apart for doing anything vaguely left wing. They also love a horse race and mostly dont care who wins as long as there is drama.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:15 |
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Bishyaler posted:Yeah, Biden should absolutely help conservatives make the point that media is not to be trusted and organizations critical of the president should be barred. This is one of those situations where I think that ship has well and truly sailed. The public media is owned entirely by corporate interests and exists solely to sell ad space or to perpetuate manufactured consent for the aristocracy they serve. For all the value you get from a free media that holds power accountable, you can't really find any of it in what we have in the US. Treating it like the parasitical scum pond that it is is hardly going to exacerbate that problem.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:15 |
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Sanguinia posted:Every fox news questions deserves a smug lovely response, and every fox news reporter's question should be hand-waved away. In fact they shouldn't be permitted in that room because they're not reporters. And the same goes for every right wing propaganda rag that somehow gets access to the President. Delegitimizing the largest news operation in the countrie is only going to hurt journalism. That ship is sailed.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 01:17 |
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Biden could've picked a stupider question to mock imo, if only for political purposes. That's not "going to bat for Fox News," nor is pointing out how barring media from the press room hasn't been confined to the outlets that some people itt deem to be evil. I was looking up former outlets that have been kicked out the WH press room, and came across the WHCA (which I take it calls the press-room shots, rather than the administration) kicking out an OANN reporter during Trump's presidency bc she crashed the room & wasn't social-distancing. But lol at the DM's description of why she'd been in trouble before with them: quote:Her first attention-getter started with her asking the president if Chinese food was 'racist.' She then accused members of the White House press corps of spouting off pro-communist Chinese talking points when questioning whether the president calling the coronavirus the 'Chinese virus' was racist. eta: FLASHBACK quote:The White House barred several news organizations from an off-camera press briefing on Friday, handpicking a select group of reporters that included a number of conservative outlets friendly toward Donald Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/24/media-blocked-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer vvv Yeah, I wasn't talking about your post. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Biden could've picked a stupider question to mock imo, if only for political purposes. That's not "going to bat for Fox News," nor is pointing out how barring media from the press room hasn't been confined to the outlets that some people itt deem to be evil. It's of course stupid to be caught on a hot mic talking poo poo about an inflation question, even if the reporter is incredibly stupid, which he is. But I was replying to the person who thought it was some sort of statement on Biden's disdain for the common man. Maybe he does disdain working people but that's not an good example of it.
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Flying-PCP posted:Yeah if they kick right out reporters from right wing news media today, it's just a matter of time until they're kicking out reporters from left wing news media. Or Spanish-Language TV Network News people? Like that would ever happen. Oh wait …
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punishedkissinger posted:this is a joke right? the mainstream media will tear any politician apart for doing anything vaguely left wing. True, but not really relevant- the post you quoted was talking about willingness among the mainstream media to criticize democrats
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Flying-PCP posted:Fox News and other right wing channels are important though, because they're the only ones with a popular voice who are willing to criticize democrats So you've never heard the phrase, "Dems in Disarray"?
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Flying-PCP posted:Fox News and other right wing channels are important though, because they're the only ones with a popular voice who are willing to criticize democrats Propaganda isn't criticism. Willa Rogers posted:Biden could've picked a stupider question to mock imo, if only for political purposes. That's not "going to bat for Fox News," nor is pointing out how barring media from the press room hasn't been confined to the outlets that some people itt deem to be evil. The inflation question was not asked for legitimate journalistic purposes, it was asked to extract a response Republicans could use in campaign ads and attack on Right Wing Media talking head shows. I know that because it was asked by a Fox News Reporter, and Fox News is not an outlet for journalism, it is a propaganda outlet which exists to serve the Republican party and other Right Wing political interests. Pretending otherwise because you want to see Biden squirm and/or are licking your chops at the thought of Democrats losing elections over the inflation issue IS "going to bat for Fox News."
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This whole idea of booting certain media orgs from press briefings is interesting. What metrics are we using? If you just want to boot right-wing media in general, the room would be empty. Specifically far-right? How far? Fox news is more moderate than OANN, can they stay? Or are we going to apply some metric of "honesty"? Because if that's the case- Breitbart, for example, is garbage, but are they more harmful than the NYT running a propoganda campaign to start a war that killed a million people?
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Sanguinia posted:Propaganda isn't criticism. So was Donald Trump correct to kick CNN and MSNBC out of press briefings?
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some plague rats posted:So Donald Trump correct to kick CNN and MSNBC out of press briefings? Are CNN or MSNBC de facto organs of the Democratic party that don't do journalism and exist only to fuel a media ecosystem toward that party's benefit? You might not want to just take Donald Trump's word on that just because he said they were.
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Flying-PCP posted:Fox News and other right wing channels are important though, because they're the only ones with a popular voice who are willing to criticize democrats Which is why it's so important to keep watching it! We need to remain fair and balanced
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Sanguinia posted:Are CNN or MSNBC de facto organs of the Democratic party that don't do journalism and exist only to fuel a media ecosystem toward that party's benefit? Yes? Is this a serious question?
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some plague rats posted:Yes? Is this a serious question? If you actually think this talking to you is pointless, so have a lovely evening.
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some plague rats posted:Yes? Is this a serious question? Not really true, but also kicking major news organizations out as a president/precedent is also a bad idea. CNN and MSNBC, while still being lovely, aren't quite as closely tied as GOP messaging and Fox news. Two things can be bad without being bad the exact same way. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Sanguinia posted:The inflation question was not asked for legitimate journalistic purposes, it was asked to extract a response Republicans could use in campaign ads and attack on Right Wing Media talking head shows. I know that because it was asked by a Fox News Reporter, and Fox News is not an outlet for journalism, it is a propaganda outlet which exists to serve the Republican party and other Right Wing political interests. Which of these two do you think would make the more potent campaign ad for the GOP: (1) Biden ignoring the question; or (2) Biden calling "stupid" the question about the no. 1 concern among voters these days? quote:Pretending otherwise because you want to see Biden squirm and/or are licking your chops at the thought of Democrats losing elections over the inflation issue IS "going to bat for Fox News." This is not a very charitable interpretation of the ongoing convo, nor of my post. It's very reminiscent of the YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US tropes from the Bush era 20 years ago. eta: Sanguinia posted:Are CNN or MSNBC de facto organs of the Democratic party that don't do journalism and exist only to fuel a media ecosystem toward that party's benefit? CNN, probably not; MSNBC, most definitely. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Willa Rogers posted:Which of these two do you think would make the more potent campaign ad for the GOP: (1) Biden ignoring the question; or (2) Biden calling "stupid" the question about the no. 1 concern among voters these days? It would depend on how clever the organization was feeling that day. Biden ignoring someone could be turned into "is Biden too old and losing his hearing/ability to hold discussion?" in a way that "is Biden a cantankerous old gently caress?" wouldn't be able to be. But at the same time, "Biden is rude to people like you" is probably more effective at selling rage clicks, which is ultimately what FOX is for. Jaxyon posted:Two things can be bad without being bad the exact same way. I think it's funny that while FOX and CNN are not really equivalent in how they are bad, they are almost identical in why they are. The growth of capital has captured their entire essence, and so they exist by appealing to perverse incentives to the point where they can't function without being antithetical to their origins. Well. Antithetical to the origins of the 4th estate, anyway. FOX was always meant to be what it is.
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Velocity Raptor posted:A friend of mine sent me this article about Wisconsin health care workers were being barred via court order from starting a new job. Shame on the judge for even momentarily granting such a restraining order. The average employee compensation at Thedacare is around ~$20-$24 an hour. Applying to open positions elsewhere, the seven workers in question recieved offers for like just $3-$7 an hour more than they were making at Thedacare, with a better schedule. The workers even asked ThedaCare to match their offers but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," and that no counter-offer would be made. They were bound by no employment contract to remain, and Thedacare had a month’s heads-up that these employees were leaving. “I have beds, I just don’t have the people to take care of people.” “We understand and respect that people have choices in the current highly competitive job market,” said Imran Andrabi, ThedaCare's President and CEO. “We are essentially asking the Court to grant the injunction to maintain the status quo until ThedaCare can hire replacement staff for this vital department in order to protect access to the critical care services supported by the radiology support team, which are considered community assets.” Attempting to keep their accreditation, which requires such 24/7 radiology workers, Thedacare dared to file a restraining order in an attempt to stop the employees from leaving; and a judge dared to grant it, forbidding them from transferring elsewhere. The original order on Friday outright directed them to remain at Thedacare if they wished to be employed. As CEO, Andrabi took $1,250,000 from the hospital for himself in the most recent year’s tax filing I could find, while reporting an average of 12 hours a week worked towards it. Under Andrabi, Thedacare has spent well over $100,000,000+ into investments, projects and multiple 'start-ups' just since covid started. Idk how to like look into those or break that down tho; the latest documents I could find were for 2019. quote:“If you ever hear a hospital complaining they don’t have enough money, see if they have a venture fund,” said Niall Brennan, president of the nonprofit Health Care Cost Institute and a former senior Medicare official. “If you’ve got play money, you’re fine.” "The long term expense from granting raises is not worth the short term cost," says the millionaire destroying a hospital. atriptothebeach fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Sanguinia posted:If you actually think this talking to you is pointless, so have a lovely evening. So you don't actually want to debate and discuss with people who feel differently to you, just to say things you already believe while everyone nods along...? I mean what was the goal of this smug dismissal?
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Sanguinia posted:Are CNN or MSNBC de facto organs of the Democratic party that don't do journalism and exist only to fuel a media ecosystem toward that party's benefit? Absolutely. 100%. MSNBC was confirmed back with the email leak during the 2016 primaries.
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Ershalim posted:I think it's funny that while FOX and CNN are not really equivalent in how they are bad, they are almost identical in why they are. The growth of capital has captured their entire essence, and so they exist by appealing to perverse incentives to the point where they can't function without being antithetical to their origins. I mean, in a sense that capitalism makes everything awful yes that is true of both, but Fox being built up by a republican strategist specifically to defend republican presidents on behalf of a huge donor(murdoch) is a touch different from say CNN. I know Ted Turner was a political donor but I don't think if the parallel exists there. Bishyaler posted:Absolutely. 100%. MSNBC was confirmed back with the email leak during the 2016 primaries. Not really true and collusion between the two isn't equivalent to the full incestuous conglomeration GOP and Fox News personalities, and implying that's so is normalizing what Fox does. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Bishyaler posted:Absolutely. 100%. MSNBC was confirmed back with the email leak during the 2016 primaries. So was CNN via Brazile & the debate questions. Both employ beaucoup hacks like Claire McCaskill & David Axelrod, but CNN will also hire gop hacks like Santorum. I think zucker was embarrassed after '16 and made it his mission to hire hacks of both parties to give itself a patina of objectivity.
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Jaxyon posted:Not really true, but also kicking major news organizations out as a president/precedent is also a bad idea. They're bad in very similar ways and for the sane reasons. CNN might not be as loudly, proudly partisan, but they carry out the exact same function as fox- compressing the range of available opinion and action on all the awful poo poo happening into voting for the correct team and blaming the other team when things are bad. Fox is just way more effective at it, because they've abandoned the pretense of neutrality and centrism that CNN affects, and just say "democrats bad" instead of "GOP bad, but could be good again, if only they would listen to moderates like Rick Santorum here" MSNBC is just fox news for the democrats
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some plague rats posted:They're bad in very similar ways and for the sane reasons. CNN might not be as loudly, proudly partisan, but they carry out the exact same function as fox- compressing the range of available opinion and action on all the awful poo poo happening into voting for the correct team and blaming the other team when things are bad. Fox is just way more effective at it, because they've abandoned the pretense of neutrality and centrism that CNN affects, and just say "democrats bad" instead of "GOP bad, but could be good again, if only they would listen to moderates like Rick Santorum here" Again, you're failing to understand the real issues with journalism in the US in an attempt to make an equivalency. They're all bad, but there's useful ground to be had in figuring out how they're bad rather than just saying "its like fox, but for the libs!" That downplays the issues with Fox and obscures the issues with CNN and MSNBC. edit: An example would be when pretty much ever news agency in the world is covering something bad for the Republicans except for Fox, which is showing something else. That seldom or never happens on CNN or MSNBC, despite them both being lovely greedy news networks.
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Jaxyon posted:They're all bad, but there's useful ground to be had in figuring out how they're bad rather than just saying "its like fox, but for the libs!" That downplays the issues with Fox and obscures the issues with CNN and MSNBC. How, exactly?
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Speaking of labour unrest at LTC facilities, the NYT had a good opinion piece the other week:Vanessa Veselka posted:I’m a Longtime Union Organizer. But I Had Never Seen Anything Like This. In summary (the last 5 paragraphs are a good tl;dr), badly underpaid workers at a memory care facility voted to unionize, despite knowing how unlikely it was to succeed thanks to legal methods of retaliation and undermining. Nonetheless, many of the striking workers improved their lives in the process. The article is a great summary of the challenges in unionizing and also of why long-term care facilities are such a nightmare. Relatedly, last week there was news of how Amy's Kitchen, a company known mostly for making prepared foods like frozen burritos and canned soups (they're pretty good in a pinch, IMO) - has been employing similar anti-union tactics, and endangering their workers by speeding up their production lines. This is in stark and disappointing contrast with their reputation for social responsibility.
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some plague rats posted:How, exactly? CNN and MSNBC are for sure trying to present different ideological bents, but neither are as closely allied an coordinated with republican strategy. You can pick dozens or hundreds of examples of Fox more or less being a direct arm of the GOP, while the best we have is evidence of some collusion for debate questions on MSNBC
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MSNBC was pretty tedious the last time I remember watching it, years ago. But, to compare it to FOX News, a channel that's actively stoking conspiracy theories and anti-vax, I dunno guys. They're their own type of mealy-mouthed crap, and FOX is on a whole different level.
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How are u posted:MSNBC was pretty tedious the last time I remember watching it, years ago. But, to compare it to FOX News, a channel that's actively stoking conspiracy theories and anti-vax, I dunno guys. They're their own type of mealy-mouthed crap, and FOX is on a whole different level. MSNBC has also ran conspiracy theory like "Russia stole the 2016 election"
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Willa Rogers posted:Which of these two do you think would make the more potent campaign ad for the GOP: (1) Biden ignoring the question; or (2) Biden calling "stupid" the question about the no. 1 concern among voters these days? I thought he did ignore the question, but he muttered to himself about it and got picked up by the mic. You're phrasing it as if he took the question and answered it with an insult. So he did (1), and then hosed it up by getting his grumbling caught on mic. Ignoring it was the right thing to do. That, or answer the question with his plan to address inflation. Answering the question directly as it was given ("Do you think inflation is a political liability in the midterms") would just be giving Fox News a headline, either "Biden scared of inflation" if he answers honestly, or "Biden downplays inflation" if he tried to spin it. I looked for the clip on fox news and only saw talking heads giggling about it. I have to imagine if it went the way you're framing it they'd have had the clip. I do enjoy the pearl clutching about profanity though. Potty mouth! I'm surprised that his hot mic moment hasn't been blamed on dementia yet. (also, "that isn't very charitable, you remind me of George W Bush!" made me laugh)
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