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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Starks posted:

The difference in firearms laws alone makes this a nonstarter for most Canadians I think.

I'm not sure what you mean there- canadians fear getting shot? There's more canadians in the US than vice versa. 5-10% are undocumeted. No border vigilantes though.

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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I'm not sure what you mean there- canadians fear getting shot? There's more canadians in the US than vice versa. 5-10% are undocumeted. No border vigilantes though.

*kicks over maple syrup caches* GO HOME CANUCKS

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Mano posted:

Egal is not equal, more like „I don’t care (about it)“.

It does mean equal, but can be used as "It makes no difference to me" (ie those options are equal)

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!

Space Kablooey posted:

Can confirm at least for PT-BR. They went for a middle of the road rudeness, where you can say something like "I'm barely loving myself" ("Estou pouco me fodendo") for a very rude version, and "I'm not even there" (lit. of "Estou nem aí") for one of the least rude versions, but still informal.



Map rings true for european portuguese as well. "Estou-me cagando p(a)ra isto/Cago nisto"

Falukorv fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jan 24, 2022

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/matasmaldeikis/status/1485569942023983109?s=21

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Giving Russia a land bridge to Crimea.

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009

Bring back Międzymorze

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I'm not sure what you mean there- canadians fear getting shot? There's more canadians in the US than vice versa. 5-10% are undocumeted. No border vigilantes though.

I think s/he thinks that a Schengen Agreement between the US and Canada means that laws about material goods are also harmonized and weapons will be sold en masse all over Canada. But, actually they’d still be illegal and if someone wants to obtain an illegal firearm now in Canada I imagine that free movement of people over the border wouldn’t make much difference in terms of weapon smuggling. I mean, Yugoslavian weapons got to Sweden just fine despite only Slovenia being in Schengen - since the borders are absurdly porous. I (semi?) illegally crossed about 10 years ago from Croatia to Slovenia, driving on a backways hilly countryside road that was on my GPS - turns out it didn’t have a border patrol unit, or even a hut that someone might ever staff.

E: pretty sure it was here: 45.6895958 N, 15.3077343 E. I like going to weird borders, probably something I should avoid doing in many countries.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 24, 2022

feller
Jul 5, 2006


I've only gone to Canada by air. Do they have border stops and check what you're bringing in when you go by land? I figured that's what they were referring to.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

yeti friend posted:

I've only gone to Canada by air. Do they have border stops and check what you're bringing in when you go by land? I figured that's what they were referring to.

Yes. My experience is that the US CBP take those checkpoints rather more seriously than their Canadian counterparts.

Peaceful Anarchy
Sep 18, 2005
sXe
I am the math man.

How seriously the guard take it depends on a bunch of factors, not just which direction you're going. Some crossing points take things more seriously than others, time of day is also a big factor, and that's before taking the usual class/race/gender/age into account. But yes, all border crossings are staffed and you have to, at the very least, stop, show your id and answer some perfunctory questions about your reason for crossing and what goods you're bringing.

Saladman posted:

But, actually they’d still be illegal and if someone wants to obtain an illegal firearm now in Canada I imagine that free movement of people over the border wouldn’t make much difference in terms of weapon smuggling.
I don't actually think firearms would be the main sticking point, but you're underestimating the difference between: "Well, if you know the right guy you can get your smuggled handgun" and "I'll take a trip down to the US, buy a handgun and bring it back." Not only is the first much less accessible to most people, it also compounds both the real and perceived risks of getting caught.

ranbo das
Oct 16, 2013


The Canadian border patrol is still the only border patrol that I've ever heard actually detaining anyone i know. My friend was driving to visit his Canadian girlfriend and was detained for six hours, I got detained for a couple hours until I unlocked my phone for them, and our company has a standing policy to not let you bring company assets to Canada because they keep being confiscated and "disappearing".

Mexico was super chill though. Hell even in France I only was detained for like half an hour and they had a legitimate grievance about my passport.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Australian border on TV: Asian people trying to smuggle massive amounts of food in. Or drugs.
Canadian border on TV: Americans thinking they can bring guns because they're Americans. Or child porn.

(I only really watch TV at night when I can't sleep and those shows are on like three channels simultaneously.)

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

Australia has a land border?

Those shows about Canadian customs agents in airports are also about asian people smuggling meat and cigarettes.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
There's an American airport customs show and it is 95% asian people trying to bring in weird food.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I probably smuggled food into China, not sure. (None of it was contraband, I think I just didn't declare it because I was really drunk.)

E: like maybe 400g of chocolate and a box of instant porridge flakes.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Armacham posted:

There's an American airport customs show and it is 95% asian people trying to bring in weird food.

Or normal food. Friend's Korean in-laws got in trouble for bringing vegetables they believed to be unavailable in the US like carrots and onions.

3D Megadoodoo posted:

I probably smuggled food into China, not sure.

I brought a 2.5 kilo wedge of parmesan in my coat pocket once. I got pulled aside at security and wondered if they had a cheese scanner but they just inspected my actual suspicious belongings, books.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Imagine what Metternich's system of suppression of mail and banned literature would be like if there were airplanes back in his day.

Mr. Belpit
Nov 11, 2008

Grand Fromage posted:

Or normal food. Friend's Korean in-laws got in trouble for bringing vegetables they believed to be unavailable in the US like carrots and onions.
Oof, must've been fun for them to go through that hassle only to find out those vegetables are not only readily available in the US, but usually for much cheaper than in Korea.

Grand Fromage posted:

I brought a 2.5 kilo wedge of parmesan in my coat pocket once.
post/username combo

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Peaceful Anarchy posted:

How seriously the guard take it depends on a bunch of factors, not just which direction you're going. Some crossing points take things more seriously than others, time of day is also a big factor, and that's before taking the usual class/race/gender/age into account. But yes, all border crossings are staffed and you have to, at the very least, stop, show your id and answer some perfunctory questions about your reason for crossing and what goods you're bringing.

I, as a non-American, was visiting friends in Nelson, BC, and instead of driving up the I5 from Seattle, and crossed the border somewhere around Trail. I think it was here mostly likely:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Mm7wAGKByKhk5GEA9

It was the middle of the day I was the only one there so I got the guard's full attention. Where I'm going and why, who will I be meeting, why am I crossing the border there, what's with all the electronics I bought for myself. Id there are any drugs or guns in my (rental) car. Also made me throw away an apple if I'm not misremembering anything.

I drove back through the I5 crossing in the middle of the night and the guy barely looked at my foreign passport before letting me through.

MeinPanzer
Dec 20, 2004
anyone who reads Cinema Discusso for anything more than slackjawed trolling will see the shittiness in my posts
As someone who grew up in BC has taken a ferry or car over the CA-US border many times, yeah that's generally my experience. It makes sense when you watch that Canadian border cop show, though, and you realize how many Americans just casually drive into BC en route to Alaska assuming that they can take all their handguns and assault rifles with them; the risk for Canada of letting average Americans in is generally higher than the reverse.

The opposite is true with airport security, though -- American customs agents in airports are way more consistently huge assholes than their Canadian counterparts in my experience.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Props to leaving Klaipeda out of Lithuania, which only became part of it when Russia transferred it after the war. It's the little grey sliver between the modern day border of Kaliningrad and the green of Lithuania.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine


Americanexceptionalism.jpg

Kamrat
Nov 27, 2012

Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off
It's hard to make out but is Israel the second state that voted against this?

Did this pass or the the US use it's veto power?

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Saladman posted:

I think s/he thinks that a Schengen Agreement between the US and Canada means that laws about material goods are also harmonized and weapons will be sold en masse all over Canada. But, actually they’d still be illegal and if someone wants to obtain an illegal firearm now in Canada I imagine that free movement of people over the border wouldn’t make much difference in terms of weapon smuggling. I mean, Yugoslavian weapons got to Sweden just fine despite only Slovenia being in Schengen - since the borders are absurdly porous. I (semi?) illegally crossed about 10 years ago from Croatia to Slovenia, driving on a backways hilly countryside road that was on my GPS - turns out it didn’t have a border patrol unit, or even a hut that someone might ever staff.

E: pretty sure it was here: 45.6895958 N, 15.3077343 E. I like going to weird borders, probably something I should avoid doing in many countries.

It's more just that I was thinking of the political implications of proposing no border checks between the two countries. The last mass shooting here was done with guns smuggled from the states and according to polls in the aftermath, most Canadians want to see the US land border tightened, not opened. I agree with you, our border services does such a poo poo job of keeping out firearms (and illegal goons, apparently) that it can't get much worse, but it would just be so easy to make political hay out of such a proposal. I can already see the campaign ads depicting active shooter drills in kindergartens or whatever.

Though to be fair to the OP they were just talking about labour so maybe I let my imagination get carried away when I saw the word Schengen.

Starks fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 25, 2022

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

The US and Israel bravely standing up for the People's God given right to starve.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Blut posted:



Americanexceptionalism.jpg

Who are the other four that didn't vote?

And while I'm not sure of what the US's motivation is (definitely sure what Israel's is), there's a lot of voting countries on the map that don't particularly care about human rights in general, so it's no skin off their noses if another thing for them to ignore is added to the list.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Kamrat posted:

It's hard to make out but is Israel the second state that voted against this?

Did this pass or the the US use it's veto power?

SlothfulCobra posted:

Who are the other four that didn't vote?

And while I'm not sure of what the US's motivation is (definitely sure what Israel's is), there's a lot of voting countries on the map that don't particularly care about human rights in general, so it's no skin off their noses if another thing for them to ignore is added to the list.

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/482533

The official voting record seems to list it as Yes: 176, No: 1 (the USA), Abstentions: 7 (Australia, Canada, Fiji, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau) and Non-Voting 7 (Central African Republic, Guinea-Bissau, Iraq, Kiribati, Liberia, Niger, Uzbekistan)

The abstentions look distinctly like a list of countries pressured into it by close ties to the US, the non-voters probably for logistical reasons - not having a representative present or similar?

Also I've no idea why Congo is marked as the sole non-voter on the map. Maybe the map maker thought it was the CAR.

Looks like it was adopted despite America's strong moral stance against people having the right to not starve to death.

Blut fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jan 25, 2022

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
When America does these weird controversial 'votes no on clearly beneficial things' do they ever offer an explanation? I mean I know it'd be bullshit but it'd be nice if they thought they were at least expected to come up with a good excuse.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Regarde Aduck posted:

When America does these weird controversial 'votes no on clearly beneficial things' do they ever offer an explanation? I mean I know it'd be bullshit but it'd be nice if they thought they were at least expected to come up with a good excuse.

A lot of them (I don’t think this one) are because treaties have to be ratified by 2/3rds of the senate and republicans are opposed to absolutely anything involving the UN no matter what it is.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

When America does these weird controversial 'votes no on clearly beneficial things' do they ever offer an explanation? I mean I know it'd be bullshit but it'd be nice if they thought they were at least expected to come up with a good excuse.

America is a great satan, op.

Seriouspost, of course.

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t

Regarde Aduck posted:

When America does these weird controversial 'votes no on clearly beneficial things' do they ever offer an explanation? I mean I know it'd be bullshit but it'd be nice if they thought they were at least expected to come up with a good excuse.

It seemed kind of cartoonishly evil so I looked it up, here is the explanation (assuming I found the correct item, I am not an expert, just someone with google):

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2017/03/24/u-s-explanation-of-vote-on-the-right-to-food/

quote:

Explanation of Vote by the United States of America

A/HRC/34/L.21

Human Rights Council 34th session
Geneva, March 23, 2017

This Council is meeting at a time when the international community is confronting what could be the modern era’s most serious food security emergency. Under Secretary-General O’Brien warned the Security Council earlier this month that more than 20 million people in South Sudan, Somalia, the Lake Chad Basin, and Yemen are facing famine and starvation. The United States, working with concerned partners and relevant international institutions, is fully engaged on addressing this crisis.

This Council, should be outraged that so many people are facing famine because of a manmade crisis caused by, among other things , armed conflict in these four areas. The resolution before us today rightfully acknowledges the calamity facing millions of people and importantly calls on states to support the United Nations’ emergency humanitarian appeal. However, the resolution also contains many unbalanced, inaccurate, and unwise provisions that the United States cannot support. This resolution does not articulate meaningful solutions for preventing hunger and malnutrition or avoiding its devastating consequences. This resolution distracts attention from important and relevant challenges that contribute significantly to the recurring state of regional food insecurity, including endemic conflict, and the lack of strong governing institutions. Instead, this resolution contains problematic, inappropriate language that does not belong in a resolution focused on human rights.

For the following reasons, we will call a vote and vote “no” on this resolution. First, drawing on the Special Rapporteur’s recent report, this resolution inappropriately introduces a new focus on pesticides. Pesticide-related matters fall within the mandates of several multilateral bodies and fora, including the Food and Agricultural Organization, World Health Organization, and United Nations Environment Program, and are addressed thoroughly in these other contexts. Existing international health and food safety standards provide states with guidance on protecting consumers from pesticide residues in food. Moreover, pesticides are often a critical component of agricultural production, which in turn is crucial to preventing food insecurity.

Second, this resolution inappropriately discusses trade-related issues, which fall outside the subject-matter and the expertise of this Council. The language in paragraph 28 in no way supersedes or otherwise undermines the World Trade Organization (WTO) Nairobi Ministerial Declaration, which all WTO Members adopted by consensus and accurately reflects the current status of the issues in those negotiations. At the WTO Ministerial Conference in Nairobi in 2015, WTO Members could not agree to reaffirm the Doha Development Agenda (DDA). As a result, WTO Members are no longer negotiating under the DDA framework. The United States also does not support the resolution’s numerous references to technology transfer.

We also underscore our disagreement with other inaccurate or imbalanced language in this text. We regret that this resolution contains no reference to the importance of agricultural innovations, which bring wide-ranging benefits to farmers, consumers, and innovators. Strong protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights, including through the international rules-based intellectual property system, provide critical incentives needed to generate the innovation that is crucial to addressing the development challenges of today and tomorrow. In our view, this resolution also draws inaccurate linkages between climate change and human rights related to food.

Furthermore, we reiterate that states are responsible for implementing their human rights obligations. This is true of all obligations that a state has assumed, regardless of external factors, including, for example, the availability of technical and other assistance.

We also do not accept any reading of this resolution or related documents that would suggest that States have particular extraterritorial obligations arising from any concept of a right to food.

Lastly, we wish to clarify our understandings with respect to certain language in this resolution. The United States supports the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living, including food, as recognized in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Domestically, the United States pursues policies that promote access to food, and it is our objective to achieve a world where everyone has adequate access to food, but we do not treat the right to food as an enforceable obligation. The United States does not recognize any change in the current state of conventional or customary international law regarding rights related to food. The United States is not a party to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. Accordingly, we interpret this resolution’s references to the right to food, with respect to States Parties to that covenant, in light of its Article 2(1). We also construe this resolution’s references to member states’ obligations regarding the right to food as applicable to the extent they have assumed such obligations.

Finally, we interpret this resolution’s reaffirmation of previous documents, resolutions, and related human rights mechanisms as applicable to the extent countries affirmed them in the first place.

As for other references to previous documents, resolutions, and related human rights mechanisms, we reiterate any views we expressed upon their adoption.

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009
Don't know about this one, but apparently some resolutions are "trick questions" with lots of baggage or poor wording that are meant to make the US look bad. Iirc it was Russia that had proposed a resolution for "peace" that was basically saying "if we invade Ukraine you can't do nothing" and when western countries voted no, the headline was "US against UN resolution for peace!"
I guess China could (or maybe already did) propose a similar resolution to annex Taiwan.

In conclusion, all imperial powers bad

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

They're talking about "access to food" so it's just for the evil.

Mr. Belpit
Nov 11, 2008
Yeah, sometimes these resolutions have innocuous or benign titles, but tucked in there is some objectionable bullshit meant to get some rival country to vote against it so you can say "wow, those assholes are against this obviously good thing!?" That's not always the case and sometimes a country really is voting against a good resolution, so who knows.

Kamrat posted:

Did this pass or the the US use it's veto power?

As an aside (and to clear up a common misconception) the P5 countries can only exercise their unilateral vetos in Security Council resolutions. In General Assembly votes like this one, involving all member states, the US just gets a normal vote like anyone else.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Chikimiki posted:

Don't know about this one, but apparently some resolutions are "trick questions" with lots of baggage or poor wording that are meant to make the US look bad. Iirc it was Russia that had proposed a resolution for "peace" that was basically saying "if we invade Ukraine you can't do nothing" and when western countries voted no, the headline was "US against UN resolution for peace!"
I guess China could (or maybe already did) propose a similar resolution to annex Taiwan.

In conclusion, all imperial powers bad
Only America is smart enough to not fall for these tricks.

Tei
Feb 19, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 44 hours!
In my opinion this fit the strategy of USA of not sign international accords because if they sign them, then other nations will ask USA to do things.
USA want to be a "absolute monarch", and be the one that give other countries commands. You sign these papers between peers, and USA is not a peer, is a superior.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Yo know you can look it up, right?



https://geneva.usmission.gov/2015/03/26/u-s-explanation-of-position-on-resolution-on-the-right-to-food/ posted:

We believe that a well-balanced text would also include references to obligations of nations receiving assistance – specifically regarding transparency, accountability, and good governance, as well as the obligation to create an environment conducive to investment in agriculture.  We also underscore our view that the statements in this resolution on trade and trade negotiations and negotiations in other fields are inappropriate, as they are both beyond the subject-matter and the expertise of this Council.  

That is a clear cut case of "prostrate yourselves before me and beg for scraps, peasants"

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jan 26, 2022

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009
Yeah, though you could make the case that a country like North Korea or Syria might use this kind of resolution to starve it's own population to "force" food aid while using it's resources elsewhere. Just spitballing though, the whole spiel about pesticides and intellectual property may point to just intense lobbying :shrug:

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Though I think being the sole dissenting voice in cases like these makes the US look worse in pure PR terms than voting for the resolution and then ignoring it like everybody else, lol

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