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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

America claims to hold "free & fair elections" yet the CPUSA is technically illegal. So just based on that factoid alone I'm declaring America a lawless zone.

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Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

this is what the russiagate people are talking about nowadays
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1485733207274369031

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Who the gently caress cares about laws? They're just rules written by dead guys that you didn't get to vote on. loving slavery and genocide were codified into law.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Pryor on Fire posted:

this is what the russiagate people are talking about nowadays
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1485733207274369031

Wasn't emptywheel saneish something like 15 years ago? Or am I imagining things?

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Besides, the state is never bound by laws anyway. That's part of being the state.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

hahaha
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1485763715119124481
they are all doing this

Lyndon LaRouche
Sep 5, 2006

by Azathoth
I got that 2003 feeling again. America's state medi...sorry I mean military-industriopharma corporate media is warmongering like crazy. They are all in lockstep with the Biden regime.

skipmyseashells
Nov 14, 2020
Biden is just playing catch-up to all the things president Hillary would have been doing in 2016?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
It’s pretty awesome how both Ukraine and Russia insist there’s no invasion happening but America is acting like the Russians landed in Delaware.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

genericnick posted:

Wasn't emptywheel saneish something like 15 years ago? Or am I imagining things?

Shes always been a hardcore lib.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

When was that early 1900’s scare when the British were convinced the French or Germans were going to invade Ireland?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


Where's the HoI mod for the american century of humiliation? Kaiserreich doesn't count.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Lostconfused posted:

Where's the HoI mod for the american century of humiliation? Kaiserreich doesn't count.

Millennium Dawn

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Does anyone even know what started this invasion scare, or did everybody just get marching orders at the same time and this sprang seemingly spontaneously?

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Does anyone even know what started this invasion scare, or did everybody just get marching orders at the same time and this sprang seemingly spontaneously?

USA

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Does anyone even know what started this invasion scare, or did everybody just get marching orders at the same time and this sprang seemingly spontaneously?

It was some source within the intelligence community.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Source: dude just trust me

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 22 hours!

Lostconfused posted:

It was some source within the intelligence community.

the same community with psychosomatic spongiform brain induced by laser beam! attributed to wild conspiracies involving foreign countries.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 15:27 on Jan 25, 2022

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

we saw some very disturbing images, from space

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Actually looking back through my history

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/politics/bill-burns-moscow-ukraine/index.html

quote:

President Joe Biden dispatched CIA Director Bill Burns to Moscow earlier this week to warn the Kremlin that the US is watching its buildup of troops near Ukraine's border closely, and to attempt to determine what is motivating Russia's actions.

The rare trip by Burns to Russia, where he held talks with senior Kremlin security officials directly involved in the military activity, came as the US has grown increasingly concerned by Russia's irregular movement of troops and equipment near Ukraine's northern border, according to multiple US and Ukrainian sources briefed on the meeting.

The flurry of high-level diplomacy underscores how seriously the Biden administration is taking the latest Russian troop movements, even after an earlier buildup in the spring ultimately did not lead to a renewed invasion. Tensions between Ukraine and Russia have also been exacerbated in recent weeks by a deepening Ukrainian energy crisis that Kiev believes Moscow has purposefully provoked.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said on Friday that the "scale" and "the size of the units that we're seeing" from Russia is "unusual."

Assessments on Russia's motives differ widely within the administration, with some sources telling CNN they believe Russia could be preparing for an invasion, while others suggest they are conducting an exercise, or simply trying to intimidate Ukraine.

And publicly, Ukraine has downplayed the idea that Russia is building up its military presence near the border beyond normal levels. Russia has "established a practice of "transferring and accumulating military units for the purpose of maintaining tension in the region and political pressure on neighboring countries," Ukraine's Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.
This seems to be one of the earlier ones.

But again Russia has been making some moves with Donbas and then Kazakhstan happened. Things kicked off around then, I don't know if you can point to one single thing being the cause.

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

we saw some very disturbing images, from space

yep, lol

quote:

Satellite images taken by Maxar Technologies on Monday demonstrate the kind of irregular Russian troop and equipment movements that US officials are worried about.

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 15:32 on Jan 25, 2022

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1485962438256304131?s=20

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
The only real sign I've seen of Russia applying pressure is Gazprom pumping minimum amounts of natural gas into Europe (meeting prior obligations but no more) causing Europe's NG storage to run low and prices to spike. Hardly a sign of imminent war, but something.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

And USA has been loving with Nord Stream 2 for a while now so it seems like a reasonable response.

The energy prices spiking aren't just because Russia isn't supplying enough, but also because of well the pandemic and global supply chains being hosed.

Edit: Also you know, free market. Why increase the supply when you can sell at a higher price instead.

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 15:56 on Jan 25, 2022

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

starting a think tank called project for a new american century of humiliation

nurmie
Dec 8, 2019

Lostconfused posted:

Where's the HoI mod for the american century of humiliation? Kaiserreich doesn't count.

there's that one CKII mod that's set in the post-apocalyptic United States

dk if it's humiliating enough

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Man Musk posted:

CCP so weak they cannot hold themselves to the same free elections they enshrined into law in 1949. :sad:

I don't really get what your issue is here. Yes, the right to vote is enshrined in the 1982 Constitution, and that's not really a problem because people vote in elections in China.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/Kodernikus/status/1485589086912266241

Lol

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Casually planning nuclear war on Google maps

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011


lol, if not for the whole nuclear war thing I'd almost like to see the US try this

Pushing an army through the entire length of Siberia to get at Moscow? In the middle of winter? What could go wrong?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Subvisual Haze posted:

The only real sign I've seen of Russia applying pressure is Gazprom pumping minimum amounts of natural gas into Europe (meeting prior obligations but no more) causing Europe's NG storage to run low and prices to spike. Hardly a sign of imminent war, but something.

This is a tricky thing to interpret as well, I'm sure you know, because it could just as easily be an effort to pressure the Europeans into bringing Nord Stream 2 online. But the nature of pipeline politics in Eastern Europe means that efforts to bring Nord Stream 2 online also put substantial pressure on Ukraine in the process. For one thing, natural gas transit fees currently bring in about $2B for Ukraine's annual budget, but more importantly, because of the way Ukraine's pipeline system is constructed, reductions in Russian gas flowing through Ukraine to Europe also mean Ukraine's own internal natural gas system loses functioning. Here's a brief explainer:

Margarita M. Balmaceda posted:

If revenue-wise a 50% decline in contracted transit volumes may mean a 50% decline in transit fee income, in terms of the actual functioning of the pipeline (not only as an export pipeline but for domestic supplies), a 50% decrease in volumes means much more than a 50% decline in functioning quality. As I discuss at length in my new book, Russian Energy Chains, the reason for this goes back to the shape of Ukraine’s gas pipeline system (which simultaneously handles transit functions as well as domestic supply loads) and natural gas’s material characteristics. Natural gas, being lighter than air, will not move at all in the pipeline without pressure. If the volume of natural gas in Ukraine’s trunk pipeline system goes below a certain percentage of its capacity, it becomes harder not only for the natural gas to move forward in the pipeline, but also for the country’s domestic natural gas supply system to work properly.

Ukraine's natural gas pipeline system relies on transit gas from Russia to Europe to get pressure into the system for domestic use as well as for transit use, and iirc Russia has used this as leverage in the past - reducing supplies to Europe to the contractual minimum has meant natural gas shortages and problems in Ukraine. This could become a permanent state of affairs if Nord Stream 2 comes online and Ukraine's role as a transit hub for natural gas comes to an end, and considering that Ukraine's economy has never recovered from the 90s crash (see this chart, taken from a recent Adam Tooze post on the issue), further setbacks like that would be huge blows to leaders like Zelensky who keep getting elected promising to fix Ukraine's problems and then failing to do so.

Whenever discussing Ukrainian politics it's important to remember these material economic factors, which exacerbate all the other divisions within Ukraine. Even Maidan, for example, resulted after Yanukovych, mired in years of economic stagnation after the 2008 crash, desperately tried to play the EU and Russia off against each other for an economic deal, and ultimately went with the Russian deal (in late 2013) because it offered more than the EU deal did, which then triggered the rebellion by the half of Ukraine that thought they were on the verge of joining the EU and interpreted Yanukovych's choice to take the better Russian deal as an intentional effort to stop Ukraine from moving west.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
We briefly interrupt the Russia-Ukraine discussion for this guy still holding a torch for one of the stupidest recent nontroversies

https://twitter.com/PhilosophyNook/status/1485515463241375748

E: looks like ths allowed themself to get riled up and baited by Betty Wight of all people :sad:

Son of Thunderbeast has issued a correction as of 16:18 on Jan 25, 2022

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 22 hours!

I just hit the Willie Dixon Wikipedia page and made my way to Ray Manzarek, and this raised my eyebrow a little, given Morrison’s father:

quote:

In the fall of 1961, Manzarek briefly enrolled at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law. Unable to acclimatize to the curriculum, he transferred to the Department of Motion Pictures, Television and Radio as a graduate student before dropping out altogether after breaking up with a girlfriend.[10][page needed] Although he attempted to enlist in the Army Signal Corps as a camera operator, he was instead assigned to the highly selective Army Security Agency as a prospective intelligence analyst.[11]

but then it turned out he probably just made a real bad decision

quote:


Raymond “Ray” Daniel Manzarek Jr. (1939 – 2013) was an American musician, singer, producer, film director, and author, best known as a member of The Doors from 1965 to 1973, which he co-founded with singer and lyricist Jim Morrison. Manzarek was notable for performing on a keyboard bass during many live shows and some recordings, taking on a role usually filled by a bass guitar player.

In 2018 Medic sent an FOIA request to the National Archives and Records Administration requesting all releasable military records of Ray Manzarek. NARA replied with Manzarek’s military branch and dates of service and stated no other records were available without Manzarek’s written consent.

When Medic informed NARA by phone that Ray Manzarek died in 2013, a NARA rep stated that until the veterans records were made public, next of kin consent was required to release additional files.

According to Britt Leach, after dropping out of college, and following a difficult break up, while drunk in Times Square Manzarek enlisted in the Army Signal Corps to study film. He was eventually stationed on Okinawa at Torii Station, an Army Security Agency outpost, which intercepted and analyzed radio communication, where he befriended Leach.

Leach states that Manzarek (of Polish descent) would not sign a security clearance-required to analyze the intercepted radio traffic-as it would disqualify him from visiting Poland, at the time considered a communist country.

Leach states that the Army retaliated by assigning Manzarek to Torii Station’s casual or “holding” unit-where soldiers performed menial duties while awaiting reassignment or discharge-and frequently encouraged him to sign the clearance papers. Instead Manzarek grew long hair long and a full mustache.

The Army rejoined by sending Manzarek to Laos from where he wrote Leach “unhappy letters, about how the army was really working on him and how he still wouldn’t sign.” After nearly a year of resistance, PFC Manzarek was discharged and returned home.

While in Laos, Manzarek smoked and grew marijuana, returning stateside with a duffel bag packed with varieties of cannabis, which may have been used to fund his subsequent graduate education.

poor guy. not so poor later :20bux:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

this is a lot less funny if you remember that the US literally invaded Russia in 1918 by landing an "expeditionary force" in Vladivostok on the side of the Whites

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

We briefly interrupt the Russia-Ukraine discussion for this guy still holding a torch for one of the stupidest recent nontroversies

https://twitter.com/PhilosophyNook/status/1485515463241375748

She's at home, OP.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


She's chilling leave her alone

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Red and Black posted:

lol, if not for the whole nuclear war thing I'd almost like to see the US try this

Pushing an army through the entire length of Siberia to get at Moscow? In the middle of winter? What could go wrong?

Hitler and Napoleon just did it wrong. Third time's the charm!

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

this is a lot less funny if you remember that the US literally invaded Russia in 1918 by landing an "expeditionary force" in Vladivostok on the side of the Whites

this is the world the blob wants

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


This person needs to play some map games.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

Justin Tyme posted:

She's chilling leave her alone

you know what's chilling? the totalitarian censorship of the CCP!!

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Subvisual Haze posted:

The only real sign I've seen of Russia applying pressure is Gazprom pumping minimum amounts of natural gas into Europe (meeting prior obligations but no more) causing Europe's NG storage to run low and prices to spike. Hardly a sign of imminent war, but something.

Did EU/German regulators let NorthStream2 turn on already? I'd assumed the minimal deliveries were to expedite that process. Or Russia is getting hosed by the rona to the extent that the gas industry has worker shortages, but I don't know how that would work. Naively I'd imagine if you can pump some gas you can pump normal quantities of gas.
Edit: Where did all those posts come from?

genericnick has issued a correction as of 16:34 on Jan 25, 2022

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