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is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Andrew Gillum lied about supporting M4A in the primaries to get my vote and then immediately abandoned it in the general so I hope he rots in hell.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 17:25

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 22:11

Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

is pepsi ok posted:

Andrew Gillum lied about supporting M4A in the primaries to get my vote and then immediately abandoned it in the general so I hope he rots in hell.

i mean he still lives here so

# ? Jan 25, 2022 17:26

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Crist will turn the GOP tide in Florida; I read that he has started a Parents for Crist group to tap into that anger.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 17:30

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Sonia Sotomayor is breaching Supreme Court decorum by laying out the thing everybody already knows:

Most cases that make it to the Supreme Court are by definition ambiguous and there because other courts disagreed with each other. The Justices use precedent, practicality, and their personal legal theory/opinions to determine which way to side on cases without a clear answer (i.e. most of them that make it to the Supreme Court). They aren't just interpreting what is written and "calling balls and strikes" as Chief Justice Roberts says.

quote:

Sotomayor: It's a mistake to believe 'the law is clear' in Supreme Court cases

Justice Sonia Sotomayor says "the biggest misconception people have" when Supreme Court rulings are weighed and handed down is that "the law is clear" to begin with.

�Most people think of the law as black and white, that there's an answer,� Sotomayor said Tuesday during an appearance on �Live with Kelly and Ryan."

�But the reality is, there isn't a clear answer. Most of the time when the Supreme Court takes cases, it's because the courts below that are disagreeing about the answer,� she added.

The laws, Sotomayor explained, are written generally.

�By the time the case comes to the Supreme Court, or to any court, actually � the courts below us or even the Supreme Court � it's because the answer�s unclear. And that can be unsatisfying to people. They don't understand why the judges are disagreeing. They don�t understand why it�s so hard.�

The courts help ensure that people who are trained in the law and who can �hope to be open-minded [and] fair� can �give their best answer of what the law means,� said Sotomayor, who was nominated to the Supreme Court by former President Obama in 2009.

�So that, I think, that will give people some solace when they feel the courts made a wrong decision � understanding that the answers are not as easy to come to as they may want.�

�Everyone thinks that life just happens � things happen around us and we don�t understand why,� Sotomayor said.

�Well, things don�t just happen. Things happen because people have let them happen, and the problems of the world are there because we, as individuals, haven't taken responsibility for fixing those problems.�

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/591220-sotomayor-its-a-mistake-to-believe-the-law-is-clear-in-supreme

# ? Jan 25, 2022 17:37

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

DTurtle posted:

This runs the other way as well.

Kind of? Russia could care less if Germany cuts of the gas. Their economy already sucks and Putin is not kept in power by some voting majority. He's largely a dictator, president for life.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 17:38

virtualboyCOLOR: Dec 22, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Sonia Sotomayor is breaching Supreme Court decorum by laying out the thing everybody already knows:

Most cases that make it to the Supreme Court are by definition ambiguous and there because other courts disagreed with each other. The Justices use precedent, practicality, and their personal legal theory/opinions to determine which way to side on cases without a clear answer (i.e. most of them that make it to the Supreme Court). They aren't just interpreting what is written and "calling balls and strikes" as Chief Justice Roberts says.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/591220-sotomayor-its-a-mistake-to-believe-the-law-is-clear-in-supreme

Going to read that as even a Supreme Court justice finds the Supreme Court to be illegitimate.

There is zero reason to listen to any of their judgements as they are unenforceable. Any sitting president that does so does so willingly and in full agreement with the decision. Keep that in mind with Joe Biden wags his finger with Roe v Wade is killed. He has the option to ignore it and there is legal precedence too ( Cherokee Indians case, Worcester v. Georgia ).

# ? Jan 25, 2022 18:00

Bishyaler: Dec 30, 2009; Megamarm

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Going to read that as even a Supreme Court justice finds the Supreme Court to be illegitimate.

There is zero reason to listen to any of their judgements as they are unenforceable. Any sitting president that does so does so willingly and in full agreement with the decision. Keep that in mind with Joe Biden wags his finger with Roe v Wade is killed. He has the option to ignore it and there is legal precedence too ( Cherokee Indians case, Worcester v. Georgia ).

He won't ignore it though, not even to preserve women's bodily autonomy. Pretending our undemocratic, rotting institutions are sound is Democrats' whole schtick. This is Fine dog imagined as a political party.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 18:25

Aztec Galactus: Sep 12, 2002

Florida is terrible and the Florida legislature has done and will do some pretty terrible things, but it should really be stressed that "bill passed by a house committee" does not actually mean it has any chance of becoming law

# ? Jan 25, 2022 18:27

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

CommieGIR posted:

Kind of? Russia could care less if Germany cuts of the gas. Their economy already sucks and Putin is not kept in power by some voting majority. He's largely a dictator, president for life.

That's not strictly true. Putin is a strongman leader, but he still has stakeholders he has to please. The siloviki are still loyal to him and his regime, but if their profits start flagging and public support for the government starts drying up, they could decide it's time to put him out to pasture.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 18:59

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Majorian posted:

That's not strictly true. Putin is a strongman leader, but he still has stakeholders he has to please. The siloviki are still loyal to him and his regime, but if their profits start flagging and public support for the government starts drying up, they could decide it's time to put him out to pasture.

But the security services and military still largely answer to him. I don't think he'd just agree to leave even if he lost his financial backers, even in his kleptocracy.

This is a guy who authorized the use of nerve agents against people he doesn't like and sent out assassin squads to kill people in other countries because they SAID something bad.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:13

The Angry Bum: Nov 10, 2005

Didn't see this anywhere else but NY State Supreme Court yesterday told Gov Hochul to take her mask mandates and shove 'em back in the desk.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/ny-judge-rules-state-mask-mandate-unconstitutional-cannot-be-enforced/3512788/

It's time to come to grips with reality. Even as Covid runs rampant across the country, wreaking havoc on a broken healthcare system, killing over a million Americans in just under 2 years.

It's about to be over.

We as a nation has decided that the pandemic is over as far as the law is concerned. They will not allow any Democratic Governor or Legislature with any sense of power to do anything about it. Vaccine mandates are next. Not just Covid vaccines, but ALL vaccines will be turned into optional choices. Republicans will be handsomely rewarded for doing nothing and hindering progress, and the Democrats will be tossed out of power nationally and in many 'blue-states' because of their Covid actions. No one liked the social distancing, the masking, the working from home, the virtual learning, the vaccine mandates or ANY of the solutions the Democrats came up with. They wanted the Trump model of just giving out money and do nothing about it.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:14

TulliusCicero: Jul 29, 2017

Dubar posted:

Florida is terrible and the Florida legislature has done and will do some pretty terrible things, but it should really be stressed that "bill passed by a house committee" does not actually mean it has any chance of becoming law

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this proposed Florida law be in violation of any number of federal civil rights laws/ statutes?

Or has Florida decided they are just their own country at this point?

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:15

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

TulliusCicero posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this proposed Florida law be in violation of any number of federal civil rights laws/ statutes?

Or has Florida decided they are just their own country at this point?

I mean they are basically wanting to buck OSHA, I think Texas is as well. So, yeah, they are basically wanting to give the Feds the finger.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:22

Eric Cantonese: Dec 21, 2004; You should hear my accent.

The Angry Bum posted:

Didn't see this anywhere else but NY State Supreme Court yesterday told Gov Hochul to take her mask mandates and shove 'em back in the desk.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/ny-judge-rules-state-mask-mandate-unconstitutional-cannot-be-enforced/3512788/

It's time to come to grips with reality. Even as Covid runs rampant across the country, wreaking havoc on a broken healthcare system, killing over a million Americans in just under 2 years.

It's about to be over.

We as a nation has decided that the pandemic is over as far as the law is concerned. They will not allow any Democratic Governor or Legislature with any sense of power to do anything about it. Vaccine mandates are next. Not just Covid vaccines, but ALL vaccines will be turned into optional choices. Republicans will be handsomely rewarded for doing nothing and hindering progress, and the Democrats will be tossed out of power nationally and in many 'blue-states' because of their Covid actions. No one liked the social distancing, the masking, the working from home, the virtual learning, the vaccine mandates or ANY of the solutions the Democrats came up with. They wanted the Trump model of just giving out money and do nothing about it.

The "Supreme Court" in New York is what they call the trial court level in their court system pyramid (to the extent you're not dealing with housing, family or probate matters). You then go to the Appellate Division and then the Court of Appeals.

It's a very confusingly named system.

Hochul's appealing. We'll see where it goes.

Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Jan 25, 2022

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:35

DandyLion: Jun 24, 2010; disrespectul Deciever

CommieGIR posted:

This is a guy who authorized the use of nerve agents against people he doesn't like and sent out assassin squads to kill people in other countries because they SAID something bad.

Yeah I'd wager at most you'll see more frequent purges/executions of dissidents/opposition members as he ages and pressure to replace him mounts. He's not being replaced till he shuffles off his mortal coil at the age of like, 105.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:36

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

TulliusCicero posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this proposed Florida law be in violation of any number of federal civil rights laws/ statutes?

Or has Florida decided they are just their own country at this point?

A lot of laws passed in the last couple of years have been overturned in federal court, yes. This is all performative for DeSantis� base.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:46

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I've been hearing a lot of Chicken hawking about a war with Russia, can I get a realistic estimate on whether that's actually going to happen?

It seems like a dumb and terrible idea to me, but then so did the war in Afghanistan and that still happened.

The media appears to be incapable of looking beyond the last few years on this whole mess:

n 1997, with Clinton�s support, NATO invited Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic to join it, and they did so in 1999. There were people who saw that this would inflict counterproductive humiliation on Russia.

George Kennan, who is often called (in some ways misleadingly) the architect of the Cold War doctrine of containment, said in 1998:

"I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves.� Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the advocates of NATO expansion] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are�but this is just wrong."

And the 2014 Coup? Seems our Victoria Nuland had some role in that too.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:47

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

VideoGameVet posted:

The media appears to be incapable of looking beyond the last few years on this whole mess:

n 1997, with Clinton�s support, NATO invited Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic to join it, and they did so in 1999. There were people who saw that this would inflict counterproductive humiliation on Russia.

George Kennan, who is often called (in some ways misleadingly) the architect of the Cold War doctrine of containment, said in 1998:

"I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves.� Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the advocates of NATO expansion] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are�but this is just wrong."

And the 2014 Coup? Seems our Victoria Nuland had some role in that too.

The problem being that nations that didn't inevitably mysteriously ended up with extremely Russian friendly President's/Premiers/etc. put in place. I don't think the ongoing issue in Ukraine reflects this claim. You can go back to 2008 to get a good understanding of how Russia felt about even a non-NATO Ukraine: Ukraine cannot be an independent nation and either should be subject to Russian veto or total control. And to drive the point home, as soon as Bush said Ukraine was not being considered for NATO membership, Russian promptly invaded Georgia.

The reality is, Cold War ghosts aside and the phantasm of East vs West, Putin is a kleptocrat with a big head and a desire to reunify Russian assets, and by assets we mean any ex-Warsaw Pact nation that went independent. Even moreso, Putin has hammered home that any opposition will be outright murdered, poisoned, pushed out windows or down staircases. Even if you are not even in a country under Putin's thumb.

This is not a replay of the Cold War and fears of communism/socialism. Putin is very much a dangerous individual with goals of his own that is counter to what the sovereign state of Ukraine wants. The talk of "buffer zones" and "Russian property" is just the new Sudetenland/Danzig excuse.

# ? Jan 25, 2022 19:53

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

_{*Israeli Government-affiliated poster}

TulliusCicero posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this proposed Florida law be in violation of any number of federal civil rights laws/ statutes?

Or has Florida decided they are just their own country at this point?

Florida has apparently decided that a professor who lived through the civil rights era speaking is now "Critical Race Theory"

A public school cancelled his speech because they were concerned that his experience could be considered Critical Race Theory under the new Florida law.